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Medic · Jan 20, 2009, 06:01 PM // 18:01

If SW:ToR comes out before GW2, which it seems is a good possibility, then I will be playing that, and if its as fun as KOTOR was then I will probably not buy GW2. Whether or not you consider GW2 to be vaporware, Anet has treated its established fanbase poorly and seems to have no intention of changing that trend.

Vazze · Jan 20, 2009, 06:04 PM // 18:04

You can not possibly think that a modern MMO can be finished in 1-2 years. EON was released 1.5 years ago so that's exactly how much they are into GW2. It is true they announced beta for late last year, but I am glad that instead of making "upgraded GW1" they take the time and create an entirely game.

Ghost Omel · Jan 20, 2009, 06:09 PM // 18:09

I will answer the first half of the First Question

Currently im not waiting on any new games to come out
But i am looking forward to Star Craft 2

Even though i enjoyed both Diablos and the modded versions of said games i find myself extremely...unexcited about the 3rd franchise of the said game.

GW2 wise..be it in production or be it on hold it is just a game. If it comes it comes if it wont it wont no 1 looses anything from costumer side.

Now before youget started on ?new chapter every 6 month" crap please think of how many 20-40$ games can provide 3 years plus of game time. Now Diablo 2 Starcraft Warcraft 3 etc are Big big titles with what...10years + service....GW compared to them is a 3.5 year old todler...so you comparing these games together puts GW on a unfair field of comparrison. And if you are Comparing these games together it means GW is a hit .

So lets stop comparing a Tank( Diablos Starcraft Warcraft Neverwinter ......)to a Barel with Wheels (GW) not fair right

Ghost Omel

slowerpoke · Jan 20, 2009, 06:10 PM // 18:10

GW2 doesnt exist untill we get to play it

oh and some evidence of its active deleloment would be a start

Tagon · Jan 20, 2009, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Vaporware or not some people argument is a bunch of pull.

Someone said they think that devs from anet have been pulled off to work on Aion. Which is stupid people do not get pulled from one company to work for another. Which is what this suggests, now it is possible they may make the choice to quit the job with Arena to go and work for NC, but I for one would not quit a job with a company that is hiring for one that just announced massive layoffs.

For those that keep making comments about the financial standings of NC had you read the full report you would have seen that ArenaNet and a few other subs were the only part of the company making money. It was the projects that NC did by them self that fell to pieces.

And finally for those that say no news. Anet announced that that the beta would not happen in 2008 a few months ago. Yea it sucks and the fact that it may not even happen til 2010 is a bummer, but personally until it goes a decade without information I don't like to slap the vaporware label on it.

kupp · Jan 20, 2009, 06:31 PM // 18:31

GW2 will come out, just wait for it damn it. Be the definition of vaporware whatever it is, 90% of the people here use it implying that the game doesn't and never will exist wich that alone makes me want to murder them for their ignorance.

Guilds Wars 2 will come out, be it next week or next year and even though we haven't seen nothing yet it would only be logical for it to exist for a lot ot reasons previously stated. And not only lying to their comunity for 2 years, but keeping that lie alive promising that they will release some info about it (just not now) is plain and simply stupid. I read these foruns nearly every day and I'm RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING tired of seeing the same QQ and same stupid vaporware bullshit over and over and over again.

Be patient, I'm here also dying for some info but I understand why they're keeping everything a secret and why they had to annouce it when they did, so I'll keep waiting.

360° · Jan 20, 2009, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by kupp

GW2 will come out, just wait for it damn it. Be the definition of vaporware whatever it is, 90% of the people here use it implying that the game doesn't and never will exist wich that alone makes me want to murder them for their ignorance.

Guilds Wars 2 will come out, be it next week or next year and even though we haven't seen nothing yet it would only be logical for it to exist for a lot ot reasons previously stated. And not only lying to their comunity for 2 years, but keeping that lie alive promising that they will release some info about it (just not now) is plain and simply stupid. I read these foruns nearly every day and I'm RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING tired of seeing the same QQ and same stupid vaporware bullshit over and over and over again.

Be patient, I'm here also dying for some info but I understand why they're keeping everything a secret and why they had to annouce it when they did, so I'll keep waiting.

I RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing love you. Read this and stop making these useless threads.

Gill Halendt · Jan 20, 2009, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by elpedro

The people I have read, hopping onto this 'Vapourware' bandwagon either are sick of GW1 and want something new, don't like GW1, are impatient or all three. That's my opinion.

Or probably they're just being realist.

Wait, look at this. Look, Duke Nukem Forever has an official website too! Fansites! And a developing team! It even has SCREENSHOTS!!! ...and it's the epitome of vaporware. Since 1997...

Nobody really believes it will ever see the light of the day, and 3DRealms has even published screenshots and trailers, which never happened with GW2, go figure. Even if it comes out now, DN4E will need to live up to the expectations raised in 11 years of waiting.

"Vaporware" is not such a negative term as you seem to believe. It's a label often stick to products like this, whenever the development is suspectly silent and secret. I find pretty reasonable for people to loose interest and faith about something they get to know so little about. That's hopefully a calculated risk Anet is taking. Time will tell.

BTW, I play GW1 everyday, I still enjoy it very much and I've never planned to buy GW2 anyway, so I'm none of the above.

Ghost Omel · Jan 20, 2009, 07:07 PM // 19:07

If you are not planning to buy GW2 never planned and simply dont care. Why do you even bother posting and analyzing GW2 threads. Person with no interest in the theme wont even bother sneezing on it and yet there you are.

isildorbiafra · Jan 20, 2009, 07:09 PM // 19:09

GW is a no monthly fee MMO. EotN has run its coarse and is at the end of its marketabillity. So why keep us in the dark. If ANET has no intention to release GW2; announce it. Hell it will save them money in the end cause 90% of the actual playerbase will quit the game; and they can shutdown 90% of the servers saving more money in the process............Besides i i was ANET i would anounce it if it where true so players wont wait to buy AION. Vaporware or not. Keeping us on hold has no value unless there will be a GW2. Wich leaves us with the release date issue. This is pure speculation. It may even take 10 years before its released.

On a side note. The AION trailer looks great. If the game is anything like GW who needs a GW2!

Rocky Raccoon · Jan 20, 2009, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Or probably they're just being realist.

Wait, look at this. Look, Duke Nukem Forever has an official website too! Fansites! And a developing team! It even has SCREENSHOTS!!! ...and it's the epitome of vaporware. Since 1997...

Nobody really believes it will ever see the light of the day, and 3DRealms has even published screenshots and trailers, which never happened with GW2, go figure. Even if it comes out now, DN4E will need to live up to the expectations raised in 11 years of waiting.

"Vaporware" is not such a negative term as you seem to believe. It's a label often stick to products like this, whenever the development is suspectly silent and secret. I find pretty reasonable for people to loose interest and faith about something they get to know so little about. That's hopefully a calculated risk Anet is taking. Time will tell.

BTW, I play GW1 everyday, I still enjoy it very much and I've never planned to buy GW2 anyway, so I'm none of the above.

The only people losing faith seem to be a small percentage of people on the forums. If you have no intention of buying GW2, then for you to post as you have, means you are just out there trolling.

Ghost Omel · Jan 20, 2009, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by isildorbiafra

GW is a no monthly fee MMO. EotN has run its coarse and is att he end of its marketabillity. So why keep us in the dark. If ANET has no intention to release GW2; announce it. Hell it will save them money in the end cause 90% of the actual playerbase will quit the game and they can shutdown 90% of the servers saving more money in the process............Vaporware or not. Keeping us on hold has no value unless there will be a GW2. Wich leaves up with the release date issue. This is pure speculation. Itmay take 10 years before its released.

On a side note. The AION trailer looks great. If the game is anything like GW who needs a GW2!

ME I like to get a game hat has no need of a monthly fee and Play it.

No im not poor and yes i can afford it but i find it extremely stupid to play a game that you already payed for.

Mister_Smiley · Jan 20, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30

eh guild wars 2 could be vaporware or not, its been 3 months since we had any "decent" information, 09 is early and there is still a lot left of the year. All you gotta do is have alittle "patience"

Aion looks like its going to be a badass game.

Diablo 3 looks good too, But its easly not going to be out till late 09 early 10 because they are still working on changeing, fixing, adding and other stuff to it.

Old Man Of Ascalon · Jan 20, 2009, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Like I said before, think about this rationally and logically:

If Aion is released in March and is successful, it will be recieving strong sales through Christmas '09. ANET does not want one of their own major products to compete against another one of their major projects. That's just plain old bad business.

Also, rumor has it that Diablo 3 is slated to be released later this year, around September or November. This game is going to be huge there is no debating that and trying to compete head to head with a game that has a decade+ worth of legacy and rabid fans to boot would also not be very intelligent.

Think of it like this. When ANET is deciding when to release it I guarentee you they put themselves in the shoes of a customer at a game store. This customer is standing in front of a rack that has 4 games on it, WoW, Aion, Diablo3, and GW2. Which game does the customer buy? At this point they only have a 1/2 chance that the game this customer will chose will be a NCSoft game and this poses another problem. Unless the customer buys both games, they are only making half of the money they have spent to produce both games and effectively splits the customer one of two ways, a.k.a competing against themselves. Now take GW2 off the shelf. There is a much higher percentage that Aion will be chosen, GW2 is no longer an alternative and WoW is an old game. They now have a 50% chance based on odds alone that this person will purchase a NCSoft product.

Now, if they wait until say....march of 2010 and release it, at this point the rush of buyers for Aion will have slowed way down since it is now a year old and Diablo 3 will have been bought by the vast majority of people who wanted it within the first 4 or 5 months, because it is just an instant classic like that, it's going to sell like crazy for a few months and then taper off drastically because it cannot sustain the initial sales rush due to lowering demand. This is the perfect time to release GW2. Customers are going to have a choice between the one year old Aion, the immensly popular but increasingly aging WoW, Diablo 3 (which if they are into RPG's they probably already have) or GW2. GW2 would be an obvious choice and furthermore it won't cut their sales in half between Aion and GW2.

Expect it between March and August 2010.

code1101 · Jan 20, 2009, 07:43 PM // 19:43

I see angry people and I see fanboys.

@fanboys:

if one of your friends promisses you that if you worked hard he would give you a candy and after you work hard he asks you to be patient to the point that you start nagging for your candy and he starts ignoring you, what would you do then ?!

its not fair to say that it doesn't matter if the game gets released or not .. it wouldn't matter if they didn't say anything about gw2 ... in fact let them say they have another game in devolpment called gw2 and let them delay it ... all that wouldn't make so many people angry ... what would make them angry is what anet did ... and it went like follows:

Hey guys ... did you hear whats going on ... we are going to make a new game called gw2 (so far so good) ... and tell you what, if you buy our grindfest expantion called gwen you gona have alot more fun with our new game "gw2" .. all you have to do is give us some $$ and grind your a** till we are ready to release gw2.

and people did just that ... people payed cash and time based on the promise that anet gave to them of a game called gw2 and the glory they would get if they bought gwen.

after all that and you don't want the community to get angry?!?!

tell me that you didn't buy gwen because you wanted to move your hard work to gw2 as promised by anet ... its hard to believe that gwen would have sold better than now if they didn't mention the hom thing and gw2.

Last thing I wana say to fanboys:

if you guys are tired of people who QQ all the time about anet for not releasing any info about the game then please close your browser and don't visit this forum for 10 years and I promise you that you will feel alot better ... now this is a promise that is more garanteed than the promise that anet gave to us ... but I know for sure that you fanboys won't do that cuz you guys are also thirsty for more info just like us.

just my 2 QQ.

IlikeGW · Jan 20, 2009, 07:58 PM // 19:58

I think the vaporware sentiment comes up not just because there's no GW2 information, but because the weird strategy of abandonment towards GW1. I remember thinking as soon as GW2 was announced it could be a good thing, a chance to better a lot of things but that the only way it was a good idea was if GW1 still had a sizable live team making people's experience good.

Imagine buying GW1 today, with the deserted worlds, jaded community, no dev communication anymore... it's a different game and different experience. And the long term players suffer the same problems. Most have packed their bags ages ago and maybe even given up on this kind of gaming, so disappointing are options like GW that seek to get you in with a bang then abandon any attempt at entertaining you, and give long term support in terms of addressing problems 6 months later. So it may not be vaporware technically, but the series does have a spirit now of abandoning the audience before they expect it.

Abedeus · Jan 20, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

The only people losing faith seem to be a small percentage of people on the forums. If you have no intention of buying GW2, then for you to post as you have, means you are just out there trolling.

Small percentage of people on the forums + tons of people that already left the game about a year or more ago.

I guess if you have played for more than a year you probably have at least 20-30 friends on your list.

I have about 50-60. And I never see more than 3-5. And from those offline all the time, maybe 2 or 3 are on these forums (Tyla, Snow Bunny... gah, I think that's it), the rest has forgotten GW.

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No im not poor and yes i can afford it but i find it extremely stupid to play a game that you already payed for.

You pay for regular updates, content... Oh, yeah, CONTENT.

Last thing with a bit of "content" was EotN. And even then maybe 53% of it was not recycled.

You also pay for COMMUNITY MANAGER THAT DOES HIS WORK (aw ye Lorde). And developers that tell you what they are about to do in a month.

Written on Windows 7, true Windows XP + (Vista - shit requirements and options). And it's going to be awesome, as Beta is already better than Vista. On a virtual machine not using graphic card power.

Fates · Jan 20, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30

So many people think A-Net and NCSoft West are the same company, working on the same projects and sharing talent. Funny stuff.

Daesu · Jan 20, 2009, 08:35 PM // 20:35

I think the beta date would probably be closer to the end of this year and they probably have too many features in that should be cut. Otherwise why would they take so long?

The problem is, deciding which features to cut. If they release a screenshot now and cut it later, then some people would QQ again. If they have not decided what to cut, they cant publish information on what they intend to release.

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Originally Posted by GW2FAQ

Although we publically alpha- and beta-tested the original Guild Wars while it was still in early development, with Guild Wars 2 we will commence beta testing closer to the game's release. With that in mind, we will not start beta testing in 2008 as we had originally planned.

Guild Wars 2 is a very large and ambitious game, and Guild Wars players rightfully have very high expectations of its quality. We want players to be absolutely blown away by the game the first time they experience it.

Gill Halendt · Jan 20, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

The only people losing faith seem to be a small percentage of people on the forums. If you have no intention of buying GW2, then for you to post as you have, means you are just out there trolling.

- I've been the first to call GW2 "vaporware" in the thread which spawned this one. I just wanted to make my point of view clear, since I'm the "vaporware person" which caused this all.

- As far as I know, this is a forum. People discuss on forums. I'm not insulting anyone, I'm just explaining my arguments with definitions and examples. Arguments that still stand. If anything against the arguments of the OP is trolling, well, there's nothing to discuss about. /closeforum

- I've NO PLANS about GW2 yet. This doesn't mean I have NO INTENTION to get it if it ever gets released. I just want to see it first. So far, infos have been so scarce I hardly can make up my mind about it.