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Nemo the Capitalist · Feb 13, 2009, 06:17 PM // 18:17

bots like name removed and others make it possible man be happy

be sad when teh bots come to kurz side!

rohara · Feb 13, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52

hate to say it, but...too many bad luxons, imo. i've been playing JQ a lot when my guild isn't GvGing, and i've only been on a losing kurzick team once in that time (10-9, was very close, and i mostly blame this on the fact that the kurzick team consisted of too many useless wammos). this isn't surprising to me at all, since i also AB a lot and rarely lose on the kurzick side. seems to me that luxons just need to step up and play better. bring an appropriate profession/build (ie. if you can't solo cap a shrine, you are probably dead weight), and know the strong pvx builds are useless when you simply suck at the game (ie. you're an ele trying to solo a ranger).

Horace Slughorn · Feb 14, 2009, 02:54 AM // 02:54

A lot of these posts have made me lol. They are very typical of some of the guru community, using only anecdotal evidence, stating their assertions for obvious facts. I see no proof from this forum or in game that Jade Quarry is imbalanced.

Oh and to all the people who turned this thread into a "Melee sucks in JQ" issue, I just wanted to thank you for your insight. As Jade Quarry players, I'm sure you are all HUGELY important and knowledgeble members of the pvp community, so thanks SO much for your input. JQ is afterall srs bzns, so one definately shouldn't stray from the meta, even if it's your favourite character to play

pin · Feb 14, 2009, 07:35 AM // 07:35

People’s thinking is too rigid, a monk can heal thru the damage done by a solo capper. Obs mode GvG to if you want to know why people win at JQ. That’s right I drew a parallel between JQ and GvG. I can hear people already screaming “evil I tells ya, its blasphemy to mention JQ and GvG in the same sentence”. But seriously its teamwork that will win more times than having some magical number of a certain class.

hoovehand · Feb 14, 2009, 12:47 PM // 12:47

who wins jade quarry?

the team with more ray of judgement monks.

kurzick greatly outnumber luxon's, hence why luxon's enter the arena after 30 seconds and kurzick have to wait up to 5 minutes. as you can switch sides without much effort, the only explanation is that people play kurzick because they want to win - so they stack on the winning team. with enough people stacking on the winning team eventually you will notice a sway in balance.

to summarize, kurzick is overloaded with those idiots who think they're crap don't stink, they stack on the winning team because they think they're too good to lose by playing for luxon.

Kawil · Feb 14, 2009, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Hoovehand...do you really believe that Kurz is overloaded with idiots? I've seen just as many idiots playing Lux. I don't think faction side has a monopoly on that.

Also, the most RoJ monks doesn't mean that team will win. I've been on teams with no monk and we are still able to win quite handily in some matches. Of course we do lose those as well. Still, I do believe teamwork matters but sure...if your team isn't capping quarries then it's all for naught.

Asara · Feb 14, 2009, 09:06 PM // 21:06

I like to JQ when I want to relax, and while I do most of my playing on the Luxon side, I switch to Kurz every now and then to mix it up. The big dif. I've seen is the wait times, which an above poster already mentioned. I've noticed that I need to wait anywhere from 2-5 min. to get in on the Kurz side, whereas with Luxon it's nearly automatic.

I think that this may lead to the fact that Kurz players tend to bring more vetted builds that prove successful, since if you have to wait 5 minutes to get into a game, you certainly want to win. No one would want to wait that long to lose 10-2...

Whereas with Lux, it's more of a 'meh lost that game oh well' mentality maybe?

I don't know... I don't personally enjoy downtime and I don't really care about faction farming, so I just play Luxon and switch between BA turret or monk and just enjoy it

choclatedippednillawafer · Feb 15, 2009, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Maybe it's cus luxons tend to dominate more in AB, and when they make the transition to JQ they're suckish, especially b/c you cant sync a team together like you can in AB.

Coraline Jones · Feb 15, 2009, 04:45 AM // 04:45

In the past month, I went and did an experiment in JQ. I got over 100,000 Faction for both the Kurzick and Luxon sides in Jade Quarry. I wanted to see if there's any claims that one side was inherently better than the other--from player skill, level imbalance, etc.

In a single word, the answer is NO.

There's almost no difference between either side in the game. The winner comes down to what you'd expect. The biggest factors are: The strength of your builds, the skill of the players, and the coordination within your team.

The last one is extremely important. If your team is just running around trying to play Deathmatch or they are all crowding around trying to hoard the Yellow Quarry, then it doesn't matter what you're doing because you're going to lose. Also, many of the bad players don't understand the fundamentals of the map, like how the NPC rangers can kill your runners if they are left unchecked. So sometimes they spend all their time capping and defending a single mine, but allow the enemy to cap all the scout shrines and the runners never even make it back to base alive.

Leechers and bots do play a small factor into the game. I was surprised that there were not as many as you'd expect. Typically the leecher seems to show up when the side already has low morale, and then everybody ends up playing ultra-badly because they give up two minutes into the match.

As another topic has reported, it's almost impossible to get any leecher/botter actually banned from the game, as it takes an incredible effort to convince people to do it. However, from my experience, Luxons are far more aggressive about reporting simply because there are about 1/2 to 1/3 as many players in JQ, so failing to report the leechers just means that they have to play with them more often. Still, the report feature is heavily abused, as people report for no good reason at all. Anything from excessive smack talk to playing stupidly is a reportable offense.

I will say that JQ can be immensely fun one round, and then incredibly frustrating the next. It is so random and neither side is predictable. It is possible to sync enter on certain times, and some guilds do use it. When it is successful, those games are often crushing defeats for the opposing side as they are running powerful builds and can coordinate attacks with incredible efficiency.

Arkantos · Feb 15, 2009, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Quote:

who wins jade quarry?

the team with more ray of judgement monks.

Not really, no. It's the team who has the least idiots. I've beaten teams who had 3 RoJ monks with none, and I've lost against teams with no RoJ monks while my team had a couple.

Akaraxle · Feb 17, 2009, 07:39 AM // 07:39

The Kurzick faction comprises the majority of players, and the majority of said majority players are PvEers. They're just there to farm, and therefore play Jade Quarry which is really repeatable PvE.

In AB, which at least has a PvP guise, they get slain by me and the rest of the honourable Luxon Armada - assuming my side doesn't have too many sins, 12345678 eles, or idiots that don't stand on the damn shrines.