Curse

Magikarp · Jul 20, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

solution:

server wipe and retooling of over half our skills, all while boosting the damage of the pve monsters, especially in HM. there, fixed.

Toxage · Jul 20, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

solution:

server wipe and retooling of over half our skills, all while boosting the damage of the pve monsters, especially in HM. there, fixed.

Nothing needs to be fixed.

Allowing players to get the items + armor is a good thing!

Lothlorian Sassun · Jul 20, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

ANET did this all on purpose. They want prices for most things to be available to all players in the game. They created Loot Scaling so the solo farmer that was making 100K an hour would now only make 10K an hour. Less gold on the market = cheep items. 1K ecto would be a good thing for ANET and is something I think they are striving for. If ANET wanted things to go up in price they would ditch loot scaling.

Dallcingi · Jul 20, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Depression?
Everyone can afford anything they want lol... hows that depressing?

Gun Pierson · Jul 20, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by Toxage

Who cares if your l33t sword of pwnage isn't worth 100k + 500 Ecots?

GO GO Go depression! This way it makes it easier for players to get the items they want, and all you epeen strokers won't have anything to stroke!

1. There are no 1337 swords of pawnage in this game unless you count the + 15% dmg unconditional ones in and they cost more than 100k + 500 ectos.

2. Some items will always be out of reach for most players, depression or not. Inflation hurts the poor player the most imo.

3. All the epeen strokers have more to stroke for today than ever before. The rich (either in the form of pve knowledge or pvp skills or both) will zrank you followed by a tiger emote while releasing their ghostly mini. Simply because they can while most players can't, even if money or ectos are worth less than for example 6 months ago.

I don't care about the economy anymore, they might just aswell remove gold and loot from the game. I just find it silly that players think they can buy more now. You can buy more crap, that's true. FoW armor and chaos gloves are now part of that crap btw.

To give a final example: Armbraces were sold for 100k + 10-15 ectos when ectos stood at 5k just before the Shadow Form buff. Now they sell for 100k + 20-25 ectos. My point: An armbrace still costs about 175k now and then.

Conclusion: you have to work harder now to get the real rare stuff, while the rich are still rich and the poor players are still poor even though they might think otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Dallcingi

Depression?
Everyone can afford anything they want lol... hows that depressing?

Can you get me a unded. mini ghostly hero and an eternal blade? I'll pay you a couple of ectos for the trouble k?

Magikarp · Jul 20, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Dallcingi

Depression?
Everyone can afford anything they want lol... hows that depressing?

here's why..

because those of us who have everything imaginable are BORED.

more importantly, the only things that are considered "rare", are too expensive even for people like me, who are what should be "rich". (not bragging, just being blunt)

illidan009 · Jul 20, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Enko

And that's your opinion. the entire basis that guild wars was built around was that people wouldn't have to play for thousands of hours to get the best gear (in terms of stats) so that players who had skills were better than players who just bought all of their crap on ebay or were horrible players and just played a lot. they tried modifying that with eotn with the rep titles and skills linked to them and now people complain about them too.

Having maxed items made a level playing field so that people who were actually good went through the game better than people who were bad. I can't count the number of times in D2 that I was on a team with someone who had the greatest items but couldn't play for crap most likely because they twinked by a friend or from purchases.

I totally agree. GW was ORIGINALLY designed so that people who were innately better but perhaps had less time than the extreme no-life to be able to compete fairly based on SKILL and not TIME devoted. With the increasing display of titles(esp the PvE ones...) as "skill", people are going to be grinding for more items, money, blah blah...which causes shit like raptor farming which ultimately leads to depression. I don't want to change the subject of this thread but Ursan Blessing certainly had a lot to do w/ both title grinding AND the STILL EVER increasing clueless FoW whammos...

And no depression is not a good thing. People who actually gets ectos would agree with me on that.

bigtime102 · Jul 20, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Dallcingi

Depression?
Everyone can afford anything they want lol... hows that depressing?

Ever heard of too much of a good thing isnt really a good thing? Well it applies here, sure its all nice that everyone can get everything but when everyone can get everything everything becomes worthless and theres no point in playing, even for the poor slob.

Magikarp · Jul 20, 2008, 09:08 PM // 21:08

the point isn't stronger weapons like 20%>50 or something, the point is that a game based on skill has nothing to stride for except the art of the game, thus, the current state that the game we have has become stale and boring, driving people to find new (and not so new) reasons to play a game based off of skill and skill alone. what does that leave you? thats right, vanity.

with the lack of hard-to-obtain vanity and goals, and the implementation of goals that break the standards of a game based on skill (as in grind based titles), the game is separated in to a combination of a poor, uneducated economy, and a rich, over-exuberant economy, which share totally different views and opinions on what the stat of the game should become.

simple point in hand is this:

either anet sticks to the plan of skill>grind, or the whole kitten gets sunk, and lets face it, we're there. imo, they need to pull something drastic, like this next "mega" update, or simply start new (outside of gws2), for gws1 to really please the masses.

Sha Noran · Jul 20, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

There will never be more people buying than selling in Guild Wars, and therefore prices are in a constant state of decline.

This could be fixed by increasing the difficulty of the game; this would lower supply and increase demand simultaneously, stimulating the economy greatly.

Of course, no one wants to hear about being challenged, so I hope everyone enjoys their <3k ecto.

Magikarp · Jul 20, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Sha Noran

There will never be more people buying than selling in Guild Wars, and therefore prices are in a constant state of decline.

This could be fixed by increasing the difficulty of the game; this would lower supply and increase demand simultaneously, stimulating the economy greatly.

Of course, no one wants to hear about being challenged, so I hope everyone enjoys their <3k ecto.

amen my friend. this is exactly why the major decisive sides to the state of the game question are totally split. one side wanting whats best for the game, the other wanting the best for their e-wallet.

Toxage · Jul 20, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

here's why..

because those of us who have everything imaginable are BORED.

more importantly, the only things that are considered "rare", are too expensive even for people like me, who are what should be "rich". (not bragging, just being blunt)

Guild Wars lacks end game PvE content for a reason you're suppose to PVP!

Dr.Jones · Jul 20, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

just wait once they release the HOM update Tormented Weapons will sky rocket. they could do the same thing for greens if they were added.

moriz · Jul 20, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

people needs to realize that GW is not a stock market simulator.

EDIT: the title is also incorrect.

a depression happens when trade slows down, and generally have very little to do with the price of things.

until it's been proven that sales/trading are slowing down, GW is NOT in a depression. if anything, the lower cost of stuff is improving the GW "economy", since more people are buying/selling.

MarlinBackna · Jul 20, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by bel unbreakable

Add mods that are actualy worth the fight to get them that would shake things up

Hell no. You want another form of elitism in this game? Because that is what it will be. "All Warriors *have* to have such and such inscription." That is what it would dissolve to.

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ANET did this all on purpose. They want prices for most things to be available to all players in the game. They created Loot Scaling so the solo farmer that was making 100K an hour would now only make 10K an hour. Less gold on the market = cheep items. 1K ecto would be a good thing for ANET and is something I think they are striving for. If ANET wanted things to go up in price they would ditch loot scaling.

You can't seriously say that when there exists a super economy in which limited items are passed around and making people several hundred ecto on each trade. And most of the people you describe are probably the people that participate in this uber economy. I have no sympathy for them. And stop plugging for LS. I (and countless others) will be damned if bots return in full swing again.

The economy is really kind of doomed. But for GW2's economy, they should do the following:

1. Make weapons drop less in general. I can go do DoA and see 30 bajillion white and blue weapons on the ground by the time I'm done. The influx of weapons in this game is ridiculous, as even golds are easy to come by. Less weapons make the golds actually worth something for a lot longer than they were (which was less than a year or so).

2. Do not make sellable, limited items (like the Mini Polar Bear). These will always increase in price until it is practically impossible to buy. Masks in GW1 are fine, but, as the mask are now, limited items should be customized.

3. To make up for less weapons, drop more materials and make armor craft for more mats.

4. Good In-game Auction. Nuff' said.

Those should keep GW2 economy running smooth for a long time.

Magikarp · Jul 20, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Toxage

Guild Wars lacks end game PvE content for a reason you're suppose to PVP!

explain where this was ever expressed by anet and i'll agree, but until then, you have to realize that over half of the community hasn't ever even tried pvp, so to cater to only pvp (which they did for years, and my i add poorly), is simply letting down a major, if not the most important aspect of the game, and what keeps the majority of paying customers buying your next game.

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Originally Posted by moriz

people needs to realize that GW is not a stock market simulator.

EDIT: the title is also incorrect.

a depression happens when trade slows down, and generally have very little to do with the price of things.

until it's been proven that sales/trading are slowing down, GW is NOT in a depression. if anything, the lower cost of stuff is improving the GW "economy", since more people are buying/selling.

more people are buying and selling? what game are you playing where people buy anything except tonics and pets? not to mention the only "selling" is primarily consisting of panic selling, which is a form of market collapse in the real world. last time i checked, everything being worth about as much as the american dollar was a bad thing. flooding the economy with more of it simply makes the value even more nonexistent, and the problem spiral more.

Lord Sojar · Jul 20, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

It's the most simplistic supply and demand example. The Guild Wars economy can be understood from basic high school economics. There are not such things as depressions because there is no GDP; Tyria has no economy. I didn't notice my monk being charged a FoW Armor Tax on his 1099 this year. I didn't get a copy of my W-2's from the Charr either.

Fact is, the Guild Wars economy is flooded with materials. The best term you could use for that is....

Severe Deflation. Maybe we should have Keynesians run our economy, they can fix it!

Cyb3r · Jul 20, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

i agree there moriz but i'm sure alot of people wont

Hiotoko · Jul 20, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

I believe some of you are confusing the term depression with deflation(which is what is happening here). Just because your ectos, which aren't actually cash until liquidated but an investment, aren't of the same high value as they were before doesn't mean that the market has collapsed. For the average player, I'd say it's never been better. Greens are easily affordable, most materials aren't at excessive prices, and gold is very easy to come by through normal play.

Snow Bunny · Jul 20, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

We're all walking around in FoW armor with chaos gloves.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALL POOR RIGHT???????