Curse

Delver · Mar 05, 2009, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Everyone knows they don't have people watching over the game so people just abuse the system all the time. I mean, if they have 1 single person on in 12 hours to obs a match they'll notice the champ farmers, 1 single person on in 24 hours to check Tolkano to look at the day's AT they'd see the regular forfeiting teams or persons. You'd think someone would pick up on things, but it's been like this for so long and it's only made it easier to spot because top 100 guilds are mainly dead guilds. Matches stay up longer because of the fewer active top 100 guilds. All anet has to do is follow the trail.
Just a note, I saw 1 guild forfeit all 3 daily AT 2 days ago I think, it's also one of the many guilds that is not unfamiliar in doing this. Possiblites:
1) anet servers are so bad or the entire guild's connections are so bad they can't connect to an AT the whole day, forfeit.
2) they forfeited knowingly to tank, maybe they ended up playing on their smurf or some other smurf in the same AT they forfeited.
3) some idiot keeps solo registering their guild for the AT, but that idiot doesn't get kicked because no one cares and it'll continue on.
4) other excuse(s) that will not hold up when you check into the record of that guild and its members.

Do you guys send in a support ticket as asked? If they're not acting on things unless a massive amount of people are raging about it (rawr Jan. maT) then 1 or 2 support tickets are being ignored as always. I want to say I don't blame people for not sending in a ticket since support in this kind of matter nets me what I'd call auto-to-no response, but if you don't send one in all everyone is doing is whining on an unofficial board which Regina or whoever may or may not check again. I'm curious about how many people sent in a ticket about rawr vs zero compared to how many are sending in tickets for the crap like Ate posted 03-03-2009.

Sir Scorn · Mar 05, 2009, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Just reset the ladder like you use to do in the past.

MMSDome · Mar 05, 2009, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Sir Scorn

Just reset the ladder like you use to do in the past.

/endthread

Yes this has been said 9001 times in the thread but he put it bluntly and this IS the best way.

Now go reset the ladder.

Ec]-[oMaN · Mar 05, 2009, 09:09 PM // 21:09

You still have to make normal ladder matter. Reset ladder and increase rating on ladder has to happen, just to give the new ladder a remote chance. This could increase middle range. You could probably blame the community itself for the champ point farming going because they are the ones selling the guilds to the ones abusing it. Later on though at the end of the day with 1200 rating being the factor and increased k value you'll have just the same amount of guilds in that range farming champs at a much higher rate because they can get to 1200 quicker. There's a lack of middle ground guilds ATM within the community and the same problems will arise. You may get the top5 guilds playing more often if ladder is more meaningful but that gap between them and the rest will just grow huge.

I just think with the damage that has already occured no fix will be an overall better one.

The influx of starter guilds has dropped, the transition from going to new-->semi understanding of GvG----->mediocre------>decent------->top 100 and maybe eventually top20 is non existent on the global scale.

New guilds get smoked, because they play top300 guilds first match, lack of overall new guilds, they quit. Any middle ranged guilds face top teams and get smoked in 2mins and don't even get the chance to learn or observe anything because the duration of matches are 2minutes, they quit, stop playing often or sell the guild to these farmers. Cycle continues and not many guilds stay around unless they are highly determined. Dwindled player base is a huge factor.

The Mountain · Mar 05, 2009, 09:41 PM // 21:41

The thread took a bit of a tangent.

To OP: It's manipulation imho...and should be dealt with.

To those crying for reset, click here to read official word on the ladder:
"Tournament Ladder to reset one last time
Yes, you read that correct. At the start of 2007, we will reset the tournament ladder, for the very last time. As previously discussed, the main purpose of the ladder and the ELO system was to provide mathematical strength measurements of competitors and their history. "

You all knew that, right?

So you want ANET to go back on their word? Maybe they should cancel the development of GW2 while they're at it; breaking published promises is great PR.

NOTE: idc what they do as I completely fail at GvG, but a reset won't happen.

Um Yeah · Mar 05, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by The Mountain

The thread took a bit of a tangent.

To OP: It's manipulation imho...and should be dealt with.

To those crying for reset, click here to read official word on the ladder:
"Tournament Ladder to reset one last time
Yes, you read that correct. At the start of 2007, we will reset the tournament ladder, for the very last time. As previously discussed, the main purpose of the ladder and the ELO system was to provide mathematical strength measurements of competitors and their history. "

You all knew that, right?

So you want ANET to go back on their word? Maybe they should cancel the development of GW2 while they're at it; breaking published promises is great PR.

NOTE: idc what they do as I completely fail at GvG, but a reset won't happen.

Yes, everyone knows that and yes, everyone wants Anet to "go back on their word" because the system Anet put in place at the last reset was flawed. That's not going back on their word, that's fixing the system, something they're supposed to be doing. I don't think anyone really holds out any hope of this happening, not because they would be "breaking a published promise" but because Anet doesn't care about GW anymore. It's just what people think should happen

The Mountain · Mar 05, 2009, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Um Yeah

That's not going back on their word, that's fixing the system

Quite sure it would mean going back on their word.
Lying = Lying Good companies won't do it. Think of another solution to suggest...or don't.

DarkNecrid · Mar 06, 2009, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by The Mountain

Quite sure it would mean going back on their word.
Lying = Lying Good companies won't do it. Think of another solution to suggest...or don't.

They also said they'd never add grind that gave players benefits and make Guild Wars a game where skill > time. Cept they added titles that give you better benefits the more time you invest, and skills that get better with said titles.

Yeah, "going back on their word" is something ArenaNet is good at. It's hardly lying though, lying is an intentional untruth. Obviously when ArenaNet said "we'll not add grind that gives you benefits over time!" they meant it, that just changed later on. Likewise, if they said "last reset for the ladder" they meant it at that time, and it's not a lie because they didn't DELIBERATELY tell a falsehood, the situation just changed.

Basically it's like ArenaNet tells you there is 5 apples in a tree, and next year there is 6 and you're calling them a liar.

EDIT:
btw /signed on resetting ladder and improving K values, much needed fix.

just call me jimmy · Mar 06, 2009, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Quite sure it would mean going back on their word.
Lying = Lying Good companies won't do it. Think of another solution to suggest...or don't.

If changes are made to a system, the majority of the users are happy and things are going smooth. Then reverting back or changing it after saying it would not be, could be interpreted as breaking a promise.

If changes are made to a system, and those changes are now being abused, manipulated by numerous people on a very large scale. A change that has made every aspect of PVP a joke. A change that has made ALL involved titles meaningless. A change that people are actually making huge amounts of gold, by abusing and manipulating. A change that has made numerous players either stop playing PVP, or stop playing the game. (you get the picture yet)
Then going against something you said, before you knew the problems it would cause . Is called "Caring about your game and your player base"
This is also done more times in 1 day than you can count, by people, companies and governments.

Daenara · Mar 06, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by The Mountain

So you want ANET to go back on their word? Maybe they should cancel the development of GW2 while they're at it; breaking published promises is great PR.

I would prefer for Anet to continue with their "Our vision/the direction of the game has changed in the past two years" statement, and realise that something that was stated in 2007 desperately needs to be fixed now. It is certainly not lying, it is using the evidence from today to fix a problem that is affecting GW today, instead of stubbornly sticking to a plan formulated years ago.

rohara · Mar 06, 2009, 04:16 AM // 04:16

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Originally Posted by The Mountain

Quite sure it would mean going back on their word.
Lying = Lying Good companies won't do it. Think of another solution to suggest...or don't.

i'd rather them "lie" and give me a playable ladder than stick to their old plan "just because" and be stuck with this legacy system. going back on their word is fine as long as the player base wants them to. screw the rules when they are bad for the game.

Um Yeah · Mar 06, 2009, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by The Mountain

Quite sure it would mean going back on their word.
Lying = Lying Good companies won't do it. Think of another solution to suggest...or don't.

Reading comprehension=ftw. "Going back on their word" would, in this case, mean acting pragmatically to unforeseen consequences, something that a good company would most certainly do. Also, I wasn't supporting the ladder reset in my post, just refuting your reasoning for why they won't do it. They won't do it because they don't care, not because they would be lying.

stretchs · Mar 06, 2009, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by WhiteWasabi

^Maybe if you bold and capslock more of what you say people will listen more?

There are many people that enjoy the historical nature of the ladder that don't get on the forums and yell and rant about how the ladder should be reset. The ladder is fine... What is needed is a change in the match system and amount of rating per win. Increased K value sounds good but leave the ladder historical.

^---- the ladder is fine for him because he has bought Delta Formation and doesnt want to have it get removed because he doesnt gvg, he bought it for the pretty cape. Let's not let your alterior motives cloud the issues at hand. it is clear that the current system is not so good, we can hope that with us pointing on the problems that things get fixed here, but if not here, at least learn from these mistakes and make sure that gw2 doesnt repeat them

Greedy Gus · Mar 06, 2009, 04:36 PM // 16:36

No one proposed removing gold capes from guilds, although it would be funny in some cases. Trim color doesn't have anything to do with guild rank.

paranon · Mar 06, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53

anet, please,
i think from the amount of posts in this thread you can see, the players of GW are not thinking
"PLEASE anet, we need more storage, my box is overflowing and people is stealing my stuffz

"
the players of GW are thinking
"PLEASE anet, fix the freaking game so we can play it, or im gonna go play space invaders.

"

why won't you LISTEN to your players?