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bursta91 · Mar 02, 2009, 12:59 AM // 00:59

Totally agree with Jatt on the last point about the bspikers. They arent even bspiking, just getting their synced up guilds to resign out.

Now thats some "predetermining the outcome of matches".

Lycan Nibbler · Mar 02, 2009, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Why no mention of the "pseudo" guilds that enter the AT's (usually late night American) with no intention to take part but are only there only to fill up the AT to let their "friends(alt accounts)" farm QP/RPs from an AT that would not take place otherwise.

It seems there was a big stink when the "afk" guilds were taking part, yet when some abuse goes on that benefits the higher guilds, then nothing is done about it.

Jatt · Mar 02, 2009, 02:39 AM // 02:39

One thing I don't care about is if/when/how any guild is punished.

What I do want to happen is for the tanking to stop, and for the ladder to regain some integrity.

Name-calling and past unrelated infractions need not be posted here.

Ec]-[oMaN · Mar 02, 2009, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Jatt

One thing I don't care about is if/when/how any guild is punished.

What I do want to happen is for the tanking to stop, and for the ladder to regain some integrity.

Name-calling and past unrelated infractions need not be posted here.

Kinda late no? You and I both know this has been going on since AT's were introduced. I don't think Anet has the time to actually deal with the BS that takes place in every AT, nor do I think they care about ladder rating since the incarnation of +2 -2 +3 -3's and AT's.

I D E L E T E D I · Mar 02, 2009, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Correct me if I am wrong here, but did [rawr] not do exactly the same thing with [Team]( can't remember the Tag properly now) to get enough QP for last Months mAT?

I can't seem to find the guild on the ladder anymore either? Disbanded Guild to make this thread?

Jensy · Mar 02, 2009, 03:54 AM // 03:54

From the outside, it looks like everyone who *wants* to play the late night American AT has to fling in some fake guilds, just to have someone there to compete with. As an avid AT observer, I see it every night. "Blah blah gets us free rps" teams, or teams with ridonkulous names like "Pedo Bear Bait [kid]" and such.

This doesn't make the problem any better, and it seems stuck in some weird cycle at the moment. It's probably just the fact that we don't have very many unique people actually playing, and you see the same people dotted over guilds up and down the ladder.

But, I agree that new 'unique' teams would most likely be roflstomped by dP/gg/anyone else tanking their rating to do this, thus driving anyone who could potentially play to run away screaming. It's fun playing against people of your own skill level... it's just depressing to be slammed in the face after 2 minutes *g*

Also, to the 'lol conga' 'lol rawr' crowd - jeez, you people are so last month *g*

eta: iirc, [rawr] 'played' some smurf guilds in January for their QP's. I'm guessing this was because of a general lack of anyone else to play against when they could herd all 8 players on their own team together in one place. This didn't happen in Feb, as I watched all of the matches they played for their QP then. No, I don't watch too much obs, shh >_>

dusanyu · Mar 02, 2009, 05:22 AM // 05:22

What we need is a Good Old Fashioned ladder reset (about every 4 months or so)

1. it would restore Dignity to the ladder
2. it would pull some of the Dead guilds out of the top 10
3. it would force some of the High ranked Guilds to Play ladder games.

Unu Corey · Mar 02, 2009, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

You should do a conga line in protest.

You're allowed to tank your rating and use blood spike. It's called competition and strategy, no matter how overused and cheap the build may seem. On a side note, I like conga lines.

Div · Mar 02, 2009, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by Sun Fired Blank

Yes, it's ladder manipulation, but to be frank, I doubt anyone really cares about this kind of shit unless there's gold trim and $2,500 USD of zkeys on the line.

It's not even the money or trim. It's that Anet has to pretend like they give a shit when it involves rawr and mATs.

Take a look at champ farming manipulation for example. Go to ventaris and you generally see champs sold at 4zkeys a point. I've seen people buy and/or manipulate up to c6. That's 466 points, or 1864zkeys per person. It's certainly more than the 900 for winning a mAT.

cataphract · Mar 02, 2009, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Take a look at champ farming manipulation for example. Go to ventaris and you generally see champs sold at 4zkeys a point. I've seen people buy and/or manipulate up to c6. That's 466 points, or 1864zkeys per person. It's certainly more than the 900 for winning a mAT.

In all honesty, I'm kind of glad champ farming exists. Nice backfire to all the elitist PvP crowd saying PvE sucks and its titles can be bought. Good thing they're greedy and ready to sell their integrity for ectos and zkeys so everyone desperate enough would buy their PvP titles too. Some time ago, PvP titles kind of mattered and showed skill. Today that's not the case. Which is good. Because, hopefully, people will cease being impressed with all titles and stop being pricks to one another.

EDIT: Hi, Linsey. /wave

Sweet Mystery · Mar 02, 2009, 08:35 AM // 08:35

Rules are rules, and if people are breaking them over and over then Anet need to deal with it. They recently reposted rules about tournaments, time for them to act on those and not just show them and say "hey look what we have here"

I D E L E T E D I · Mar 02, 2009, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Well here is the thing. The only time Guild Wars matters now is once a Month at the mAT, ladder and ATs don't don't mean squat all.

The game has had quite a long life considering and ANet themselves have acknowledged that which you can see at how "mildly" [rawr] and [zero] got punished compared to [QQ], with Regina somewhere saying the decision was partially based on the current situation of Guild Wars or something along those lines.

And Jatt here is another question for you. You are saying it is unfair that these guilds are purposly tanking their rating, because by them playing again they would give loses to lower ranked guilds with a higher rating loss for said guild. So does that mean guilds should not be allowed to run Smurfs anymore seeing as that might then be considered Ladder Manipulation itself?

EDIT: Removed unnecessary comment.

Jatt · Mar 02, 2009, 09:14 AM // 09:14

Like i said before i don't care if anyone gets punished, I just want the tanking to stop. the ladder is in complete shambles because of it. I figured since it was explicitly stated in the rules that I could get some action this way. This is an issue i have been complaining about for months.

I D E L E T E D I · Mar 02, 2009, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Pretty sure Ladder has not mattered since the introduction of mAT's which is roughly 2 years now? Why suddenly show so much /care for it now?

Lycan Nibbler · Mar 02, 2009, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by dusanyu

What we need is a Good Old Fashioned ladder reset (about every 4 months or so)

This. I have said this before myself I think every 6 months would be reasonable, or at least one right now to clean out the guilds that are now dead/only there farming previous owners success.

cataphract · Mar 02, 2009, 09:47 AM // 09:47

I'd rather people stopped taking things so seriously.

Fril Estelin · Mar 02, 2009, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by cataphract

Because, hopefully, people will cease being impressed with all titles and stop being pricks to one another.

I have the feeling this is never going to happen in PvP, due to the inherent nature of this part of the game: it's (almost) you versus me (YvM) and there can only be one winner. Unless the PvP community gets together and finds a way to make the "state of their game" better (IMHO through "teaching", I bet there're a lot of new blood that could come to PvP but that are put off by the current state of the game, including mindset of players, like pansy malfoy said), this is going to get worse and the doors to PvP will soon close, because PvPers didn't want them to be open. If you, elite/high-end PvPers, want to have a worthy competition in the future that ensures you'll have a continued fun until GW2 comes, you should seriously consider that.

Jensy · Mar 02, 2009, 10:06 AM // 10:06

I don't think that all of the elite pvp community wants to keep things exclusive, but I could be wrong. The giant circle jerk of just beating the same people over and over has to get, well, dull. I mean, I get bored fighting the same monsters in PvE -- after facing the same people over and over, you'd no doubt get used to their play style and noobstomp them in the same way. Zzzzz.

What I want to know is, how much of the tanking is done to roll over noobs, and how much is done to just have people available to play against? Meaning, getting a team right away vs standing around going DURRR in the GH while it waits for a team for you to fight?

I'm not saying this excuses it, it's just something people toss around whenever the topic of smurfing comes up... which I reckon is another topic entirely so I'll stop here :P

Jatt · Mar 02, 2009, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by pansy malfoy

What I want to know is, how much of the tanking is done to roll over noobs, and how much is done to just have people available to play against? Meaning, getting a team right away vs standing around going DURRR in the GH while it waits for a team for you to fight?

This is actually the biggest motivator for guilds to tank rating in the first place. Atleast, when i asked big-tanking guilds to stop tanking this is the excuse they gave me.

and it's actually quite valid. The matchmaking system is as good as broken. When a guild achieves alot of rating and a guild of similiar rating is not available to fight, the system takes far too long to pair down to the nearest opponent. What's worse, is once you get outside of 100-200 rating (not sure) from your own, it will randomly take ANY team, which makes it even more difficult to find a matchup with a "decent" team. IIRC, the matchmaking hasn't been modified in over 2 years (could be wrong) when the game was much more active.

Updating the matchmaking system to make it easier for high rating guilds to find matches could fix a large majority of the tanking issues.

just call me jimmy · Mar 02, 2009, 10:33 AM // 10:33

Here is my 2 cents Anet, please listen to it carefully!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo3ux...eature=related

Also Jatt, I hope you don;t mind this question.
Something I have have wondered. How many of say the top 200 guilds are the top 40 guilds and their smurfs?
Would a ladder reset not help to fix the lack of teams to play, as you would have active guilds playing?