Curse

faraaz · Mar 09, 2009, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Taixen

This ^^

Who cares if you spend a couple of hours just to fail. Half, if not all of the fun in it should be just playing/ having a good conversation with friends on Vent or whatever.

2 ppl from GoE, 2 votes for balancedway...

Call me paranoid, but I'm beginning to see a pattern here. And honestly? If people wanted to do it just for the enjoyment, sure, balancedway is good and stuff. But OP asked whether UW SC is profitable. Telling him to do balancedway instead, therefore...is

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Taixen · Mar 09, 2009, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by faraaz

2 ppl from GoE, 2 votes for balancedway...

Call me paranoid, but I'm beginning to see a pattern here. And honestly? If people wanted to do it just for the enjoyment, sure, balancedway is good and stuff. But OP asked whether UW SC is profitable. Telling him to do balancedway instead, therefore...is

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People can play how they want to, but balanced with your guild/ alliance really is more fun that the frustration of a lot of people you meet attempting speed clears.

Yes, it is profitible but only if you are lucky enough to recieve a valuable drop.

MMSDome · Mar 09, 2009, 05:42 PM // 17:42

How is endless repetitive grind remotely fun? I guess I just don't understand how slaving can be fun...

P.S. GUILD WARS

Scythe O F Glory · Mar 09, 2009, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I never understood why it's 850g.
8 people splitting 7k = 875 each.
But whatever, i save my 25g (unless I'm the one collecting)

Martin Alvito · Mar 09, 2009, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Is it worth it? Depends on the distribution of the rare items from the chest, really. Average speed also matters.

If all you get back is two ecto for your 850g investment, and each run takes 30 minutes, then you're netting about 16k per hour.

Provide me some real data about the chest's drop rate distribution (and your success rate), and I can tell you more. I would guess that the chest is worth no more than two ecto per run - and that's an aggressive estimate. That would get you to 34k per hour if you never failed. Collapse that to once every twenty minutes and you're up to 51k per hour...but that rate isn't sustainable because replacing players takes time (especially if you want to crank out a run every 20 minutes) and because failure happens.

That's better than is otherwise available through normal farming, but there are more efficient ways to invest your GW time if all you want is money. Power trading, dungeon running, successful HA play, and seriously imba farms (when the devs inadvertently make them available) are all more efficient.

Of course, this ignores the problem of skill. The majority of UWSC players probably could not successfully power trade, dungeon run or farm the Halls chest, and are left with UWSC as the most efficient alternative available.

Dr Strangelove · Mar 09, 2009, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Balanced all the way. It'll take 90 minutes, maybe 2 hours tops, you'll almost certainly succeed, and you'll have a lot more fun doing it.

If the only thing you care about is making money, it's a hell of a lot faster to get a job as a fry cook and ebay it. Stupid, boring, and lame, but still faster.

Bobulation · Mar 09, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Balanced all the way. It'll take 90 minutes, maybe 2 hours tops, you'll almost certainly succeed, and you'll have a lot more fun doing it.

If the only thing you care about is making money, it's a hell of a lot faster to get a job as a fry cook and ebay it. Stupid, boring, and lame, but still faster.

Better to buy 50 $5 prophecies accounts and do zkeys every month..

Guaranteed ~1500zkeys/month with that, with only a one time fee. =D

DarkGanni · Mar 09, 2009, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by faraaz

TAM philosophy fails.

UW SC stands for Under World SPEED CLEAR .

If you want to spend 4 hours down there, only to fail when trying to do 4h, be my guest.

No need to be so rude, lets not turn this into a flame thread please.

@OP: the highest rate of success is joining a guild that does UWSC regularly. With guildies you have a much higher rate of finishing. PUG's are often a pain.

A11Eur0 · Mar 09, 2009, 11:33 PM // 23:33

When it comes to pure profitability, UWSC when you can get a decent team is much more profitable than balanced. Faster, more reliable at some points, a little less at others, and 875g is nothing...get one ecto or a few golds and it's paid for.

It might be more FUN to do it balanced, maybe...but that's not the question, is it?

D A R K S O I F O N · Mar 09, 2009, 11:58 PM // 23:58

i would like to get an exp team for uwsc runs in hm. Yes you can make an excelent profit from it when people used to run dwo 55/ss runs in hm but not sure if it's the same now. If anyone is interested whisper me on
D A R K S O I F O N as I would be more then happy to join your team. Then again, if you get a good team for ha, you can make an very reasonable profit from halls as well.

Divinity Sword · Mar 10, 2009, 12:14 AM // 00:14

I gotta be honest, if you get a good team it's a good way to make cash... but it's really RARE to get a good team and 90% of the teams fail, take forever, and suck. I make a consistent amount of zkeys in JQ which I can trade for ectos later, to me that's a better way to do it anyway since I make faction too. As far as rare drops go, I've done a lot of runs and never had anything good drop for me lol.

faraaz · Mar 10, 2009, 02:12 AM // 02:12

I rarely ever pug anymore. Its friend list groups and guild groups all the way. Spend about 10 mins pm'ing peeps and getting 'em together in ToA, and after that, its like ~15 mins per run tops, no fails pretty much guaranteed.

People I run with do stuff like 9 min pits, 7 min wastes, 8 min pools, 10 min mtns etc...and we always do like 3-4 back to back every other day. Extremely fun IMO, particularly when you end up competing to get the fastest time for your area.

And seriously, at all you people saying to do it balanced way, did you not read OP? He asked if it was worth it, financially. He didnt ask if its fun. So stop derailing the thread.

byteme! · Mar 10, 2009, 02:53 PM // 14:53

The OP asked whether USCW is worth it. I'm guessing he was referring to profitability. In which case, UWSC > Balanced. End of discussion. Besides "fun" is subjective. Here's an example. Imo running balanced is not fun because it takes too long. See? subjective!

Latham · Mar 10, 2009, 03:10 PM // 15:10

It is only worth it, if you enjoy it. I personally enjoy UWSC, Therefore in my opinion it is worth it. If you enjoy it, then its worth while, not only are you playing some thing you enjoy, you have the chance of attaining a rare drop.

If you mean is it worth while money wise ? Pay 850g each run, gain 1-2 ectoplasm each run, and chances of a rare drop, worth while then.

Covah · Mar 10, 2009, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Faraaz is bad and can't do wastes don't listen to him.

If you want to get a good group look for sins with FoW armor and chaos gloves. If the FoW is dyed black then they must be good.

nikkooo · Mar 10, 2009, 05:11 PM // 17:11

^ I hope you are joking
Its more likely they are going to vanquish whole waste or plains for you

Loki Seiguro · Mar 10, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Covah

Faraaz is bad and can't do wastes don't listen to him.

If you want to get a good group look for sins with FoW armor and chaos gloves. If the FoW is dyed black then they must be good.

Um /sarcasm????? Armor means nothing not everyone will waste their fow armor on sup runs when they are completly wrothless. I play PvP a lot so I know how to deal out the dps with only minor runes.

And you can always buy fow and chaos gloves without haveing to farm for the mats, its called buying low sell high or finding a super rare item.

blackknight1337 · Mar 10, 2009, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Well fyi...the guy who "flamed" faaraz is in LoD, yes? Well, at least last I knew, Faaraz was either in LoD, or still in the alliance thereof. Therefore the statement is probably quite sarcastic.

Btw, sup Mara. You probably have no clue who I am, but I was in LoD for a couple of months before I pretty much went inactive, and was in the guild while you were addicted to pug UWSC, back when UA was on every team, and we were doing well if we got under 20 min if we had a full guild team together. I think that was before the first shadow form nerf too. Good times....

And yeah...balanced at its best will take over an hour to do UW, so at the best it is 1/3th as profitable as a decent UWSC team (read: friends list or ally/guild groups). And this is assuming that the balanced group is not a PUG, but a guild/alliance or FL team, otherwise the balanced probably won't even make it.

Amnel Ithtirsol · Mar 11, 2009, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covah

Faraaz is bad and can't do wastes don't listen to him.

If you want to get a good group look for sins with FoW armor and chaos gloves. If the FoW is dyed black then they must be good.

LOL

To OP, I'd say yes, it's worth it in the long run. Just don't expect to become millions of ecto richer overnight. There are better ways of doing that, as already mentioned in this thread.

Hermos · Mar 11, 2009, 07:23 AM // 07:23

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Originally Posted by Taixen

People can play how they want to, but balanced with your guild/ alliance really is more fun that the frustration of a lot of people you meet attempting speed clears.

Yes, it is profitible but only if you are lucky enough to recieve a valuable drop.

This isn't about fun, it's about making money. Get it right.

Also, wtf??!?!! 40 runs?!?!? I've been doing speed clears for a solid two-three months (at one point I did nothing but speed clears for an entire week whenever I was on GW, which was about 5 runs a day) and I've gotten one r10 celestial compass, that's it. I've seen an eblade drop, but that was q12, and I've seen a vspear drop, but that was q13.

... am I just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing unlucky?