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Syntonic · Mar 17, 2009, 04:12 PM // 16:12

I would have agreed that the champion title used to convey more prestige in the past. Blood spam champ farmers and the like pretty much invalidate this though so maybe not so much currently and it's increasingly becoming harder to break into pvp because of it - before, titles were somewhat accepted as an indication of PvP level. It's now (has been an on going trend) at a point where your references and previous guilds count more than titles. However, when you get to a point where your references and previous guilds actually matter, you probably have at least a few titles to throw around as well. In any case, I suppose some people might find the social networking part a bit easier and it isn't all that different from working on titles - you just grind until you know the right people or can get somewhere whether it's you actually improving or being carried.

fires element · Mar 17, 2009, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by phan

lol whut ?

I think c1 has more prestige than the retarded GWAMM title :')

yes because it is so hard to buy the champion title for 5 ecto a point instead of scrapping the edge of a zone for that last .1% you need for your cartographer or hoping that you don't dc in the middle of mob when you are about 1k xp from legendary survivor

phan · Mar 17, 2009, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by fires element

yes because it is so hard to buy the champion title for 5 ecto a point instead of scrapping the edge of a zone for that last .1% you need for your cartographer or hoping that you don't dc in the middle of mob when you are about 1k xp from legendary survivor

You're funny.
If I refer to the champion title
I'm not referring to all those let me quess uhm 1215-1250range guilds owned by a couple of players who sell champ points .
But I refer to the "skillfullway" of getting it x)

fires element · Mar 17, 2009, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by phan

You're funny.
If I refer to the champion title
I'm not referring to all those let me quess uhm 1215-1250range guilds owned by a couple of players who sell champ points .
But I refer to the "skillfullway" of getting it x)

i would agree to your argument if there was no way of buying the title. i think those ppl who have champion title probably are great players. but since it can be bought i don't think it deserves as much prestige as you think it does

Lonesamurai · Mar 17, 2009, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

I've always seen the HoM as a way to display my achievements in GW1, not a means to give me some cool stuff in GW2. But hey, that's me.

Its meant to be both

isildorbiafra · Mar 18, 2009, 01:30 AM // 01:30

And quote: "Then, when Guild Wars 2 arrives, each of these monuments will correspond to special features your Guild Wars 2 characters can "inherit" from your own legendary past, giving you access to exclusive titles, companions , weapons, attire, and miniatures. These inherited items are unique: there is no other way within Guild Wars 2 to acquire them."

So there it is. Question remains if all or just a few of the above mentioned will be introduced in GW2.

King Jay · Mar 18, 2009, 02:24 AM // 02:24

Start out with 100g for each rank in KoaBD!
Har Har

Elle Bishop · Mar 18, 2009, 02:59 AM // 02:59

"So what stuff do I actually get in GW2 from putting things in the Hall of Monuments?
There isn't any word on this. Anything you get from OGW won't give you a permanent advantage over new GW2 players. Basically, expect cosmetic stuff with stats that new GW2 players will be able to achieve by playing GW2."

Source : http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_2/FAQ
\end thread

belladonna shylock · Mar 18, 2009, 03:08 AM // 03:08

All that link says is you can't get any stats above what other GW2 players can get. it really says nothing. It even says, "There isn't any word on this"

Resume speculation!

\open thread

RedNova88 · Mar 18, 2009, 07:28 AM // 07:28

In a GW2 developer interview they mentioned that in PvP all character's gear will be on the same level. They said they enjoy being able to "go crazy" with stats on things in PvE, but in PvP they want to keep it an even playing field item wise.

This makes me wonder... If each thing placed in to the HoM gives a specific reward, perhaps we can expect to see items that have stats that grow with our characters? For example I place a destroyer weapon in my HoM, when I get it in GW2 it adapts to my character as he/she plays and gets stronger, the item does as well. It would be pure folly to give someone this unique bonus item and have it be useless after a few levels wouldn't it? ArenaNet brags often about enjoying rewarding players that dedicate themselves, and that they will be happy with their achievements come GW2. One can only hope they keep their word regarding this.

Regarding GWAMM I hope it's something like the hero system in Lineage 2. In Lineage 2 if you win a high end PvP tournament (lol) you get a special weapon, increased stats, and your character shines like a freaking sun. In GW2 this would be great, since it would only affect them in PvE. They would be rewarded well, and it wouldn't kill the aspect of PvP because some tool is running around relying on his character's standing and items.

Anyone that manages to get GWAMM deserves at least something like this. It's hard work. I don't really approve of all the grind-freaking-fest titles in GW, but if someone gets max GWAMM they have shown enough dedication and patience than they would have needed show skill wise. Patience is a skill, an often overlooked skill, but a skill nonetheless. I still hate the idea of grinders getting rewarded though, since many are upright e-peen stroking... You get the idea.

isildorbiafra · Mar 18, 2009, 06:49 PM // 18:49

GWAMM is all about e-peen. The only skill required is patience. Anyone can achieve it; but it does require dedication and comitment; and thats exactly what anet is implying they'll be rewarding in gw2.

IMO the reward system will work like this:

Most rewards will not be available from the start. As the game progresses and you increase in lvl they will become available via quests.

Weapons:
Max waepons giving no advantage gamewise whatsoever but with a unique skin. I.e. req9 inscr. short sword and crystaline make no difference gamewise its all about the skin! Dont qq once gw2 rewards gammers with stuff u cant get any other way! Its a reward for their dedication and comitment. Non max weapons are usless and i dont believe they will be offered as a reward.

The same principal will be applied to:

Armor:
think of it like the "initial" obsidian armor in gw2 by which only gwammers will be able to distinguish themselves. No better stats only unique skins.

Companions:
think of a pet skin that only gwammers will be able to tame.

Miniatures:
have never had an impact on the game mechanics. The rare ones can however net a good profit. They are just like titles in general a symbol of status and wealth.

Titles:
something to show off; like: "Godly ofspring"

PVP maxed titles for example (with exception of factions) will recieve a unique emote.

Contrary to most; I do believe most rewards will have a market value. This has been a constant in anet policy for rewarding comitment; just like collectors editions come with rare pets; and the early players are always rewarded with the first batch of b-day minis which afther release sell for outragious amounts of money; etc etc.

Put in the time get the reward. Dont QQ once gw2 comes around and players with gwamm are rewarded acordingly. You had plenty of time to max the titles. You just chose not to. And the argument of hey i logged just as many hours as he did does not fly. For example 100 hours spent farming ecto and 100 hours scraping corners for the cartographer title is not the same thing!

byteme! · Mar 19, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by isildorbiafra

Put in the time get the reward. Dont QQ once gw2 comes around and players with gwamm are rewarded acordingly. You had plenty of time to max the titles. You just chose not to. And the argument of hey i logged just as many hours as he did does not fly. For example 100 hours spent farming ecto and 100 hours scraping corners for the cartographer title is not the same thing!

Amen brother. Too bad people are gonna QQ anyways.

Lady Syve · Mar 19, 2009, 03:30 AM // 03:30

If they are going to QQ, then everyone else could just tell them to stfu and go back to GW1 to grind up the titles. You can still add stuff to the HoM and receive rewards in GW2 after GW2 is released.

romeus petrus · Mar 19, 2009, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Start out with 100g for each rank in KoaBD!
Har Har

This thread is funny. Have you guys considered that Anet will try to market GW to as many new players as possible? Giving "GWAMMS" any kind of an advantage that new players can't get will be a turn off to the new players, even if that advantage is merely cosmetic.

If you really want to think of rewards for thousands of hours of mindless grinding to collect meaningless PvE titles in order to fill up your HoM, think Bonus Mission weapons that you can't trade.

Hold all the QQing till you see what Anet is going to reward your "hard work" with. My opinion: 100 gp per level is an overprice.

Trelliz · Mar 19, 2009, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Seeing as GW2 is years away, i'm in no big rush to max out titles, i've recently finished cartograhy, and am doing the EOTN mapping so that it's out of the way. Then i'll periodically do the titles that have an effect on the game. Having maxxed SS/LB, i'm doing the EOTN ones, which will come in handy for vanquishing, especially the Ebon Vanguard title for finishing off Ascalon.

Apart from that and the vanquish/mission titles, i can't be bothered to do the party/alcohol titles, that's too much of a waste of time.

isildorbiafra · Mar 19, 2009, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

This thread is funny. Have you guys considered that Anet will try to market GW to as many new players as possible? Giving "GWAMMS" any kind of an advantage that new players can't get will be a turn off to the new players, even if that advantage is merely cosmetic.

If you really want to think of rewards for thousands of hours of mindless grinding to collect meaningless PvE titles in order to fill up your HoM, think Bonus Mission weapons that you can't trade.

Hold all the QQing till you see what Anet is going to reward your "hard work" with. My opinion: 100 gp per level is an overprice.

Its just that. YOUR opinion; but you know how the saying goes: "opinions are like a-holes. Everyone has one. Most of them stink!"

Commitment and hard work have always been rewarded by anet. Just look at the rare skins that only drop in elite areas. The majority of players will never get to own one unless they buy one. Still it didnt prevent oodles of people from buying the game. Just dont QQ when......

draugr · Mar 19, 2009, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Trelliz

Seeing as GW2 is years away,

I have GW2 firmly on my eternal vaporware list at the moment, and will need real good reason to move it back onto the real game list.

JoeKnowMo · Mar 19, 2009, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by isildorbiafra

Dont QQ once gw2 comes around and players with gwamm are rewarded acordingly. You had plenty of time to max the titles. You just chose not to.

More likely the GWAMMers who put in the time will QQ once they get very little for their efforts.

GWAMMers will be a small percentage of GW2 players. Would Anet rather keep them happy or non-GWAMMers happy?

Anet has reduced the effort for several things despite the protestations of those who got these things the 'hard' way. Razah, Kurz/Luxon Faction, Sunspear/Lightbringer, EoTN reputation points, norn headgear, etc.

GWAMMers will probably get untradeable shiny stuff like bonus mission weapons but won't see any monetary gain from their efforts. From a business perspective, granting any gameplay advantage to previous players, no matter how small, is a poor decision and therefore one I can't see Anet making.

Furthermore, GW1 will be completely dead by the time GW2 comes out and the servers may no longer be operating. Even if the servers are up, there's no way that Anet would allow time spent in GW1 to provide a greater benefit in GW2 than time spent in GW2, so there'll be no incentive for players to come back to GW1.

All players who don't get the GWAMM benefits, new or old, will QQ even if the rewards are small. If the rewards are large, the ensuing whining will force Anet to relent and pare back the rewards. And I'm not basing this on what I'd like to see happen. I'm just pointing out what makes good business sense for Anet.

Lonesamurai · Mar 19, 2009, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

Furthermore, GW1 will be completely dead by the time GW2 comes out and the servers may no longer be operating. Even if the servers are up, there's no way that Anet would allow time spent in GW1 to provide a greater benefit in GW2 than time spent in GW2, so there'll be no incentive for players to come back to GW1.

Your entire post was totally blown apart by this utterly appaling lack of information on your part

It is well known they intend to keep Guild Wars up and fully intend for sales to go up as new players to GW2 go back to GW1 for some of the shinies and some of the story... Aswell as the fact that to use anything that comes via the Hall of Monuments will mean having GW1 and GW2 on the same account

Pleasemake sure you have read up about the intentions for the game and the release of Guild wars 2 before posting, because some will call you out and no where near as politely as I have

isildorbiafra · Mar 19, 2009, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Your entire post was totally blown apart by this utterly appaling lack of information on your part

It is well known they intend to keep Guild Wars up and fully intend for sales to go up as new players to GW2 go back to GW1 for some of the shinies and some of the story... Aswell as the fact that to use anything that comes via the Hall of Monuments will mean having GW1 and GW2 on the same account

Pleasemake sure you have read up about the intentions for the game and the release of Guild wars 2 before posting, because some will call you out and no where near as politely as I have

can I hear an Amen?
And lets get it straight. The only time bonus weapons where ever given was for a $5,-- pre-order mission bonus pack! I.e. no bonus pack=no bonus weapons! Like i sayed before: dont QQ......