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Perpetua Gale · Mar 22, 2009, 02:55 AM // 02:55

O.K.
So I am betting this is not the right place for this..not really sure where that would be..but...

I am looking for submissions for purchase of a limited comic strip for commercial use.

The strip requirements are : Must be based on 2 characters, "Wayne and Patrick". Both Wayne and Patrick are hardcore gamers and clearly are what could be termed "nubs". The physical appearance could include but not limited to greasy hair, sloppy attire,glasses, pocket protectors, poor physique, braces on teeth,etc. Be creative

The strip must ALWAYS take place in a basement where Patrick and Wayne game. Each strip must consist of no more than 3 panels however double and single panels are accepted and must be readable while fitting on an area of 2x3 inch. The character conversations need to revolve around "nubish" experiences while mmoing/gaming in general. Usage of trademarked products' intellectual property GW, WOW...etc. within the strip will not be accepted.

*Considering the pm's thus far I will add that no profanity/"adult" content is considered..

Upon submission, review and acceptance a formal offer will be extended for purchase and transfer of rights.

Admin - Inde: This is not a GuildWarsGuru.com promotion. GuildWarsGuru.com claims no responsibility for the validity of this offer.

Dr Strangelove · Mar 22, 2009, 03:40 AM // 03:40

Sometimes I'm too lazy to shower on the weekends. Can I have 20 bucks if I send you my picture?

pumpkin pie · Mar 22, 2009, 03:57 AM // 03:57

be creative but must have greasy hair, sloppy attire,glasses, pocket protectors, poor physique, braces on teeth and ALWAYS take place in a basement and must be that, and must be this.

i think you already have what you want lol you just need someone to draw it ...

Perpetua Gale · Mar 22, 2009, 04:03 AM // 04:03

UMMM,..yea pretty much...

Those are just general guidelines and the strip MUST include a "storyline".

This is a serious offer not looking for a flamefest.
If you would like to submit an example for review please do so.

Konig Des Todes · Mar 22, 2009, 05:17 AM // 05:17

Why not just... do it yourself?

Perpetua Gale · Mar 22, 2009, 05:22 AM // 05:22

No one on our team is an artist. Nor do we have time to spend on it.

Not unheard of in business.

Jecht Scye · Mar 22, 2009, 11:19 PM // 23:19

For the moment though, we have no idea what this is going to be used for. Perhaps a link to a website or company description is in order?

Perpetua Gale · Mar 24, 2009, 01:02 AM // 01:02

The offer is only for the production of a 3 or 4 strip 3 panel maximum cartoon strip and as such does not require any further info other than the requirements listed in the OP. We encourage submissions from talented artists who would like a chance to show off some work and potentially get paid for it. As stated previously, no submission will be paid unless it is accepted.
Good Luck!

FireFox · Mar 24, 2009, 02:58 AM // 02:58

rofl, yeah... good luck with that

MMSDome · Mar 24, 2009, 03:17 AM // 03:17

How much is paid? Can we accept other forms of payment? (food, alcohol, marijuana, etc.) Please provide more details.

Perpetua Gale · Mar 24, 2009, 08:58 AM // 08:58

Good luck or not it doesn't matter...we figured it could be a nice way to tap talent which may otherwise go unnoticed. People enjoy drawing and if they had the possibility to make some cash when they otherwise wouldn't then what is the problem? You don't care to draw? Fine don't. People make drawings just to submit to GW for a mini pet and you want to make snarky remarks about a no strings attached offer??!!.. What do you have to lose?..its not like you would or are capable of understanding our purpose for these strips. It's not like we can't go to one of the local colleges and have it completed as well. We wanted to have an option for other gamers outside our sphere. Participate or not it won't affect our bottom line. kkthnk bai

Jecht Scye · Mar 24, 2009, 10:41 AM // 10:41

When someone doesn't give me company information, the first thing I think is: What do they have to hide? Good luck with your search.

greyf0x_f0x · Mar 24, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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its not like you would or are capable of understanding our purpose for these strips

So tell us? You would get far better and more serious pieces of work if you were upfront about the purpose of these strips and the legitimacy of your business. You obviously have a clear idea of what it is you need and the format it will take, being more transparent would probably get a more positive response from an online community such as this.

At the moment, you are offering people little more than an opportunity to have their creativity used for someone else's commercial gain, with absolutely no guarantee of any return or exposure.

I'd be very wary until more details are provided.

http://www.no-spec.com/ has some interesting and related articles.

StarrTheInsane · Mar 24, 2009, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Greyfox, that's a great website. I've just spent my lunch break reading over the articles. It of course makes me wonder about the nature of contest held on this forum. I have submitted entries in many and have pretty much committed myself to hosting one in the not so distant future. But after reading over this site, I think to myself, "there is no way I could compensate every artist that submits a work."

Now I understand it is a game, a lottery for both the artist and the host. The host tries to make an offer that will draw in the best, but might end up paying many times what the winning artist would have asked for a commission straight up and even get a few not-so-serious entries. The artists play the game too. Maybe they were pretty sure they had the skills and ideas for it, but maybe it was a really good time for art and their best efforts fell just one short of the cut-off.

It can be a great way for a few people to get exactly what they want. A few artists make a killing on single works, and a host gets a multitude of wonderful pieces that may have cost less cumulatively than they would have paid by ordering commissions from each contestant.

In regards to the ethos of NO!SPEC, what is your view on the forum-based art contests?

Perpetua Gale · Mar 24, 2009, 05:33 PM // 17:33

I think far too many people on this specific forum are suffering from GW paranoia. NO ONE is looking to scam your hard earned char hides or wants to obtain your "Fiery Golden hawk sword of death bane encrusted with magical rubies of ogre silencing and a sword hilt of water travel". Plenty of people put out artwork just for the fun of it. They make submissions for contests that the majority will NOT win and receive absolutely nothing for it.. other than the pleasure of drawing.
Of course there is no guarantee of payment. Every submission that comes from this site/offer may get thrown into the trash bin. Thats life. NO GUARANTEES. There are thousands of high job listings that list the base company requirements and offer minimal to no company info, yet require an application in order to be considered..those finalists are then given further info..AS NEEDED ..not interested? don't apply.

Sierraa · Mar 24, 2009, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Perpetua Gale

I think far too many people on this specific forum are suffering from GW paranoia. NO ONE is looking to scam your hard earned char hides or wants to obtain your "Fiery Golden hawk sword of death bane encrusted with magical rubies of ogre silencing and a sword hilt of water travel". Plenty of people put out artwork just for the fun of it. They make submissions for contests that the majority will NOT win and receive absolutely nothing for it.. other than the pleasure of drawing.
Of course there is no guarantee of payment. Every submission that comes from this site/offer may get thrown into the trash bin. Thats life. NO GUARANTEES. There are thousands of high job listings that list the base company requirements and offer minimal to no company info, yet require an application in order to be considered..those finalists are then given further info..AS NEEDED ..not interested? don't apply.

You really do copy paste everything. ban the bot.

Sent me a PM because I responded to something in a different thread and got the above quote plus a tiny bit more.

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As far as a thick skin or expecting everyone to be nice??..IDK wtf your talkn about I made a post and you seem to be upset by the kkthnkbye comment... go farm some grawl you little turd... this was a genuine offer to reach out to others who may not have an opportunity such as this its not a big deal nor is it like the art was to be the next coca cola campaign..lol... go get your mom to wipe your ass!

Not only do they not give a lot of information, but they spam other threads with the spam copy paste message filled with errors, and fail to give us information? Sounds like a scam to me. I really hope no one does this and gets their artwork stolen.

greyf0x_f0x · Mar 24, 2009, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by StarrTheInsane

Greyfox, that's a great website. I've just spent my lunch break reading over the articles. It of course makes me wonder about the nature of contest held on this forum. I have submitted entries in many and have pretty much committed myself to hosting one in the not so distant future. But after reading over this site, I think to myself, "there is no way I could compensate every artist that submits a work."

Now I understand it is a game, a lottery for both the artist and the host. The host tries to make an offer that will draw in the best, but might end up paying many times what the winning artist would have asked for a commission straight up and even get a few not-so-serious entries. The artists play the game too. Maybe they were pretty sure they had the skills and ideas for it, but maybe it was a really good time for art and their best efforts fell just one short of the cut-off.

It can be a great way for a few people to get exactly what they want. A few artists make a killing on single works, and a host gets a multitude of wonderful pieces that may have cost less cumulatively than they would have paid by ordering commissions from each contestant.

In regards to the ethos of NO!SPEC, what is your view on the forum-based art contests?

I personally LOVE the art contests here, it was one of Sectus' contests that got me into art again after a long hiatus and even though I have long since left GW as a game, I still enjoy coming to these boards to look at the amazing fan art, and contests

However, the format of most art contests here goes something like:

I am offering X amount of currency to the top X people, in exchange for art with X theme.

It's very clear to both sides what the deal is. As you say, both sides are at risk - the host risks a poor turnout or art that is not to their satisfaction, whilst the artists risk placing outside of the top X number of winners.

However, most of the work is "fan-art" it is done for the love of the game and a shared love for the artwork generated. Sure in-game currency changes hands and acts as an incentive, but I'd argue it's still not wholly commercial.

The difference between one of the usual guru contests, and what Perpetua Gale is proposing, is that he/she offers only the vaguest of incentives along with a broad brief, and expects people to flood art work his/her way.

Call me cynical, but since we have no idea what this artwork is to be used for, and no way of checking the legitimacy of it all, there's nothing to stop them taking the best 5 pieces of work, and using them for commercial profit, chances are the 5 artists won't even know it's happened as they'll be unaware of the place of publication/circulation.

Of course, it's also likely that Perpetua Gale is a perfectly kosher guy/gal, trying to give some GW fan artists a break, and some incentive to get their work into the commercial sphere. It's a nice thought if you look at it that way, but I'd want a little more background info, and a lot more transparency before I'd be willing to start working on art for it.

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Just thought I'd address this:

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There are thousands of high job listings that list the base company requirements and offer minimal to no company info, yet require an application in order to be considered..those finalists are then given further info..AS NEEDED

The difference is, you are not asking for an application, you are asking for WORK from people. You are asking for man-hours from artists in exchange for absolutely nothing. If we were to follow your analogy through, the artists would simply send you portfolios and a CV/Resume to illustrate their artistic credentials. You could then agree that they are eligible for the job, offer them a full artistic brief and set out the terms and wages/salary involved. The artist may then accept or reject your offer - all before any work has changed hands.

Here's another analogy.

"Hi, is that Parkinson's builders?"
"Yes, how may I help."
"I would like you to build me a new conservatory please. [insert specifications here]"
"Ah, excellent we'd usually charge -"
"You see the thing is, I want you to build this one for free."
"Um..."
"If we like the way you've built this one, there's a good chance we'll spread the word about you talents as builders, and we may even hire you again in the future."
"..."
"Hello..."

StarrTheInsane · Mar 24, 2009, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Sorry, Perpetua, I didn't mean to derail the thread, I just had an honest question for greyf0x involving the link. It wasn't directed at you.

But back on topic, have you considered posting your request at conceptart.org? Or maybe you have and it didn't get the response you were looking for there. It's a very helpful site. There is a forum especially for job listings with several different pay rates. You can specify what sort of job it is and people that are looking for this type of work will find your request. The people that frequent that site are also often members of the gaming community and would have plenty of material for the storyline you need, but on top of that, they are serious artists looking for work. You're less likely to have people stumble in and say "I smell like bacon cheddar fries and have worn the same pants for a month, I'm your guy!"

I use the site, some GW artists use the site also, it's not just fan artists. Check it out, you might be pleasantly surprised.

Perpetua Gale · Mar 26, 2009, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Thanks for the link. We will definitely take a look at whats available. Our main purpose as stated before was to see if any artist with experience in the gaming style/genre would like to perhaps make a little cash and some credit. It does appear that posting in a forum with a client base of 14year olds that are paranoid from constantly being scammed in GW..WOW.. et.al., was a huge disappointment/mistake. I guess people seem to think that commercial usage would equate into tens of thousands in payout and stardom?

Anyhow..for those of you have pm'd for further info and genuinely expressed an interest, we look forward to seeing your work.

The Real Avalon · Mar 26, 2009, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Perpetua Gale

Thanks for the link. We will definitely take a look at whats available. Our main purpose as stated before was to see if any artist with experience in the gaming style/genre would like to perhaps make a little cash and some credit. It does appear that posting in a forum with a client base of 14year olds that are paranoid from constantly being scammed in GW..WOW.. et.al., was a huge disappointment/mistake. I guess people seem to think that commercial usage would equate into tens of thousands in payout and stardom?

Anyhow..for those of you have pm'd for further info and genuinely expressed an interest, we look forward to seeing your work.

I doubt your business will go far if you treat everyone like you do on this forum.
The fact that you even keep mocking your possible artists and clientel makes me want to believe it's right for everyone here to believe you might indeed be a scammer.

You might want to learn how to properly address people before you even start thinking of a 'business'.

It's ridiculous how long this thread has lasted.