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Windf0rce · Nov 16, 2008, 03:50 AM // 03:50

We must kill npcs in GvG, thus GvG is PvE too.

Just as a note, in FA outpost there isn't a "This is PvP" icon. But all skills used are PvP version.

Hailey Anne · Nov 16, 2008, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by pin

If you could define pvp for us, we could finally settle this age old argument.

If it has the PvP icon then its PvP.
Although FA isnt by any means high level PvP it IS PvP.

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Originally Posted by Windf0rce

We must kill npcs in GvG, thus GvG is PvE too.

Just as a note, in FA outpost there isn't a "This is PvP" icon. But all skills used are PvP version.

um yes there is

Windf0rce · Nov 16, 2008, 04:50 AM // 04:50

Cool, thanks.

I didn't see it!

slowerpoke · Nov 16, 2008, 04:50 AM // 04:50

"my pvp is more pvp than your pvp"

Arkantos · Nov 16, 2008, 04:53 AM // 04:53

Fort Aspenwood is PvPvE, just like Jade Quarry and Alliance Battles.

Why people are arguing about whether it's PvE or PvP is beyond me.

fenix · Nov 16, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

When they first implemented Hard Mode, you could do Hard Mode in FA/JQ and AB.

Argument over.

HawkofStorms · Nov 16, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Fort Aspenwood is PvPvE, just like Jade Quarry and Alliance Battles.

Why people are arguing about whether it's PvE or PvP is beyond me.

Yeah, everybody is just getting off track because of trollix, I mean fenix

cellardweller · Nov 16, 2008, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Fort Aspenwood is PvPvE, just like Jade Quarry and Alliance Battles.

Why people are arguing about whether it's PvE or PvP is beyond me.

And guild battles

fenix · Nov 16, 2008, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Yeah, everybody is just getting off track because of trollix, I mean fenix

I have special powers of thread derailment. You should fear them as everyone else does.

But seriously, not PvP.

TheGuildWarsPenguin · Nov 16, 2008, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by fenix

When they first implemented Hard Mode, you could do Hard Mode in FA/JQ and AB.

Argument over.

Re-implement.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 16, 2008, 06:03 AM // 06:03

I would say that if it has the PvP icon, it's PvP.

Random Arena, Team Arena, Guild vs Guild, Heroes' Ascent, Alliance Battles, Fort Aaspenwood, Jade Quarry, Hero Battle, Zaishen Challenge, and Zaishen EliteALL have NPCs in the arenas, and they ALL have the PvP icon.

Therefore, they are ALL PvP.

Edit: Also, PvP-Only characters can get to AB, FA, and JQ. Further support for it being PvP.

Arkantos · Nov 16, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

Ok, stop arguing over what is PvP and what is PvE now, kthx.

fenix · Nov 16, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Ok, stop arguing over what is PvP and what is PvE now, kthx.

Can we argue over how much I love you and how much I want to marry you?

Kerwyn Nasilan · Nov 16, 2008, 06:33 AM // 06:33

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Originally Posted by fenix

Can we argue over how much I love you and how much I want to marry you?

No
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Abedeus · Nov 16, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Zaishen Challenge, and Zaishen Elite

I see no Player in "vs Player" in those two.

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Hero Battle

You mean Player vs Player vs AI.

PvP icon is there just for the skill changes. If you fight with NCPs more than with players, it's not really a full PvP. Like someone said, PvPvE.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 16, 2008, 06:55 AM // 06:55

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Ok, stop arguing over what is PvP and what is PvE now, kthx.

Was just stating a fact that even the two Zaishen arenas are considered PvP, and that technically all PvP arenas have NPCs.

And I just love smashing the "AB is not PvP" argument.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

I see no Player in "vs Player" in those two.

You mean Player vs Player vs AI.

PvP icon is there just for the skill changes. If you fight with NCPs more than with players, it's not really a full PvP. Like someone said, PvPvE.

I was going more on game mechanics. Also, I think there are more NPCs in GvG then there are human players. And you pretty much have to take out all/most NPCs to win.

Although I don't argue with calling AB/HB/FA/JQ PvX, but if you do, I shall say PvP is non-existant in 95% of the PvP areas, and call it all PvX instead of PvP.

Now then. FA is sooooooo imba. /sarcasm

fenix · Nov 16, 2008, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Was just stating a fact that even the two Zaishen arenas are considered PvP, and that technically all PvP arenas have NPCs.

And I just love smashing the "AB is not PvP" argument.

Now then. FA is sooooooo imba. /sarcasm

I don't believe you smashed anything.

Enjoy your PvE.

People are missing one of the main points here. FA was always meant to favour Kurzicks, as JQ was meant to favour Luxons. Just because it seems impossible doesn't mean it is, it's in part because a bunch of bad players are used to doing certain tactics with the old FA, so they haven't changed yet. Once everyone gets used to the new timer, I imagine strategies will change and it won't be 'impossible' to win.

Everyone just needs to learn NOT to try out 'interesting' or 'fun' bars, and just play to win. So that means bringing anti-bonder skills (SPRITS, NOT ENCHANT STRIPS), bringing caster shutdown, and bringing huge spike damage. With that, there's really no excuse for losing other than people doing it wrong.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 16, 2008, 07:07 AM // 07:07

I PvE and PvP Fenix. And I think I rather proved that, via game mechanics, AB, FA, and JQ are 100% PvP. And I proved that the most common argument to say that it is - the fact that there are NPCs - is incorrect when deciding what is PvP and what is not. Calling AB, FA, HB, JQ, and all the rest is opinion based which is something that cannot be changed without brainwashing, and via internet, that is impossible.

So by your opinion, it would be impossible to smash that argument, as it is your opinion, but by mine, I did so, as I stated the mechanics which is more credible then just saying "that isn't PvP."

And at least I tried to bring this back to on-topic.

Darmikau · Nov 16, 2008, 07:48 AM // 07:48

There's no way fenix is serious, which is why for my own personal use I shall title him "Convincing Troll."

And I can't really see any way JQ favors the Luxons, despite Kurzick losing all but once every time I played there. The spawns are equally close from what I saw, and running a particular build won't give you a distinct advantage, unlike FA, where running a Monk for the Kurzicks will raise your chances of winning significantly.

Productivity · Nov 16, 2008, 08:13 AM // 08:13

If you are on the Luxon side and your team is not terrible, you should never lose in FA. It's that simple. Even at five minutes, FA is very easy to win - I synched in with a few friends yesterday for the increased cap and had three easy wins - amazing what people who know what the objectives are can do.

However, when there are two terrible teams, FA is inherently biased towards Kurzicks. Defy Pain warriors won't kill enough stuff to win it for Luxons, whereas terribad monks with healing breeze still will help hold up. The level of skill in FA is about level with the standard of general PVE (ie. lower than even RA) and so a lot of people feel Kurzicks have the advantage. They don't, it's just you suck.

Also, for those who say physicals suck, the objective of this map is to kill three, non kiting NPCs. Hmm maybe either an assassin infinite DBign or a warrior going in Dragon Slash might be a good idea there. Just have to have the backup.