Curse

dasmitchies · Feb 06, 2009, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Favoritism plain and simple. Any other guild would have been /facepalm by ANET. Just like certain opinions and requests in guru get flamed by the mods and others championed, ANET does the same thing. PVP is a joke.

Snow Bunny · Feb 06, 2009, 07:34 PM // 19:34

[rawr] and [zero] are most likely laughing at this.

They don't care about trim; they certainly understood that it was a violation of the rules, and the flagrant manner in which they violated the rules demonstrates their carefree attitude towards what they anticipated (rightly so) to be a light punishment.

It's good you punished, them, but bring back the Old-Testament Anet.

Vel · Feb 06, 2009, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Gold cape is vry srs business. Must put rawr to #1 slot in next month's xunlai voting. Coz they will win to get trim back, hopefully. <lol>

Kattar · Feb 06, 2009, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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we don't really care about trims all that much.

Maybe rawr and zero don't, but I'm sure everyone else on the ladder does.

Rhamia Darigaz · Feb 06, 2009, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Vel

Gold cape is vry srs business. Must put rawr to #1 slot in next month's xunlai voting. Coz they will win to get trim back, hopefully. <lol>

even if they don't win this months mat they get their 9 other trims back after the one month punishment is over...
i can't tell if you knew that already or not

Kashrlyyk · Feb 06, 2009, 07:53 PM // 19:53

"We have been trying to take into account the different perspectives involved in this issue when making a decision." ANet never cared for anyones perspective before when they punished players. So why now suddenly, especially when it is about a guild that ANet is accused of favouring above every other??

The "ruling" is a joke and the "reasoning" is an insult!!! The only signal you send out today removes any doubt about your favourism.

This is the last straw and you just lost any respect I had left for you.

AsyaMordina · Feb 06, 2009, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Anet ruled that the Universal Tournament rules applied to unsportsman like conduct. Okay, so they broke the rules, and not even a token 3 day ban (Suggested dates Feb 21-23)? Interesting that an 'improper name' can result in ban but match fixing doesn't. Looks like a "slap on the wrist" was too harsh, so Anet went for a "strong finger shaking".

I think this 'punishment' is resulting in some Slim Shady finger shaking back at anet.

JASON626 · Feb 06, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Just change tournaments so there can't be a tie honestly.

trim removal doesn't affect game play so thats nothing like punishment. Not to memtion the joke of one month of not having trim lol.

Vel · Feb 06, 2009, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

even if they don't win this months mat they get their 9 other trims back after the one month punishment is over...
i can't tell if you knew that already or not

I did not. Hmm.. seriously then, the ruling is a joke. Question will be which is funnier - the match or the ruling? xDD

Then again, banning rawr/zero will be almost equivalent of taking out 50% of good PvPers from GW. Maybe.

MMSDome · Feb 06, 2009, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Regina,

I find that the ruling you guys over have A-Net to come out with to be quite hysterical. Why are you punishing guilds for tying? Draws happen all the time in Hero Battles (yes I may get flamed cause no one cares but people not caring doesn't mean a-net shouldn't give it equal treatment) and nothing is ever said. Who honestly cares? They made the right decision by drawing to get in top 16, it isn't manipulation it is strategy and punishing guilds by removing their trims (which is hardly punishment and is laughably retarded) for something your game allows is just hysterical.

Now let us take a look at the top 16 for the hero battle rounds this year. 11 of the 16 had one or more tie, where is the attention for ladder manipulation from a-net? What is being done to punish these guys?!

lord of all tyria · Feb 06, 2009, 08:25 PM // 20:25

It is far easier to tie while trying to win in HB.

jiggles · Feb 06, 2009, 08:27 PM // 20:27

A tie in HB is acceptable. It is entirely possible to have the same number of kills/points as your opponent. Not do conga lines everywhere.

Sword of the Kings · Feb 06, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30

That's not even a punishment... Oh noes my cape doesn't look as cool... until next month anyway. It's like my mom "punishing" me by sending me to my room ... with a alienware computer, bigscreen TV, and mini fridge - Oh noes! Whatever will I do!?
Epic fail on Anets part.
Either admit it's your own fault for even being able to draw and give them no punishment, or if you REALLY think they broke the rules then actually PUNISH them, taking away their gold trim for a month is no punishment.

hoschi · Feb 06, 2009, 08:36 PM // 20:36

What about guilds that tank their rating down, then start to play with a 6xx rating (having Silvercape players) to get a -5 on the enemy. They clearly don't care for their rating - however they seem to have fun screwing other people up. Isn't that more ladder manipulation ?

Then, too, within the last week, i've seen strange behaviour from a certain now top 50 guild, that went on tanking down their rating, rolling a team and all of a sudden they resigned out, because they had the enemy Lord down to 20 HP or so.

That's more ladder manipulation to me - or a few players who want to screw the guild up.

But i guess that's what we have to live with, and i couldn't care less about gold/silver trim removed.

MMSDome · Feb 06, 2009, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by hoschi

What about guilds that tank their rating down, then start to play with a 6xx rating (having Silvercape players) to get a -5 on the enemy. They clearly don't care for their rating - however they seem to have fun screwing other people up. Isn't that more ladder manipulation ?

Then, too, within the last week, i've seen strange behaviour from a certain now top 50 guild, that went on tanking down their rating, rolling a team and all of a sudden they resigned out, because they had the enemy Lord down to 20 HP or so.

That's more ladder manipulation to me - or a few players who want to screw the guild up.

But i guess that's what we have to live with, and i couldn't care less about gold/silver trim removed.

They actually play on those guilds though and do the monthly. It would be different if they made smurf guilds and purposely tanked the other guilds rating, this has been done in the past and probably cost [QQ] a gold trim (OMG TRIM!).

JR · Feb 06, 2009, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by dasmitchies

Favoritism plain and simple. Any other guild would have been /facepalm by ANET. Just like certain opinions and requests in guru get flamed by the mods and others championed, ANET does the same thing. PVP is a joke.

Dear Lord Dasmitchies of the Sacred Forge Knights,

You are going out on a pretty long limb to call it favoritism. No Guild, in the history of ATs and the AT rules, has forced a draw in this manner. That means there is no other case for comparison. How can you call it favoritism if you don't know how they would treat other guilds in this situation?

Secondly, for as long as I can remember ArenaNet has been sketchy about what constitutes ladder manipulation. It seems like they consistently hover between considering Guild Wars PvP as a serious competitive e-sport, or treating it like a 3rd grade yu-gi-oh tournament. It really varies depending on who you talk to.

Is it wrong to be lenient on a guild like [rawr] in a game to which they have contributed so much? It really depends on how seriously you take it. Honestly, as a game past its prime and well over its competitive peak, I am not that bothered. They gave them a token punishment that at least showed that they recognized the problem. In my day we would have been more than happy with that.

Then you have the very convincing arguement that, basically, it's ArenaNet's fault. [rawr] did nothing that the game didn't allow. They didn't hack, cheat or exploit. In 90% of competitive video games that pretty much constitutes their actions as legit.

Honestly, I think ArenaNet found a good middle ground. They didn't go overboard and DQ [rawr] or [zero], but they still recognized the issue. Fingers crossed they find better way to deal with (or prefereably prevent) this kind of issue in GW2.

Solas · Feb 06, 2009, 09:05 PM // 21:05

I think it's fair enough, pretty light but it's a delicate matter.

afaik they were going to make it into the next round regardless, if it would have knocked another team out then yeah somthing harsher.

Would have thought tthey would have taken the reward points away or reduced them a little bit, still, it seems more of a statement then anything.

Dmitri3 · Feb 06, 2009, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Really funny how people still propose to give GeAr gold, only makes it clearer that they have no idea about what's happening in GvG scene.

There are far more unsportsmanlike conducts in GW that intentional draw, but I guess all those QQ'ers had to be calmed down somehow... And face this, it only went into "news" cause this was rawr, so there's no favoritism cause any other guild would've just went unnoticed or ignored.

EDIT: To clear it up, I was talking about GeAr disbanding.

scoopins · Feb 06, 2009, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

What is being done to punish these guys?!

playing HB is punishment enough.

Wynthyst · Feb 06, 2009, 09:27 PM // 21:27

This is the first time I can say I'm honestly disgusted with ArenaNet.

The teams involved are laughing their butts off and planning what to do this month.

This isn't a punishment for them, this is a slap in the face to the rest of the community.