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Rebel Zero · Apr 09, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by ]HM[ Sabre Wolf

I do PvX thank you... and I didnt say PvPer's were fired up and ra-ra about the update... but the HoM update effects everyone... how else are you going to post your Gladitor or Commander titles?

Um... because all I dream about is posting my meaningless titles in an area no-one but me will ever care to see. Seriously, HoM doesn't matter to anyone inside of PvP. This is why we always laugh at the PvErs that buy into these gold cape guilds. It's not the material items that matter such as titles or capes, because everyone who matters knows your meaningful accomplishments in this game.

English Warrior · Apr 09, 2009, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by wickedss

I love how pvp'ers are usually the one crying about skill updates or the lack thereof. If you are getting your butt handed to ya, learn to play better or come up with a better build. As far as "build wars" goes, that's kinda the point of pvp...make a better build than the other guy.

@op: Thanks for the info...good or bad, Thanks for the communication.

When you play PvP other than RA and know how big a skill balance is too us then come back and we can talk.

Still Number One · Apr 09, 2009, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by wickedss

I love how pvp'ers are usually the one crying about skill updates or the lack thereof. If you are getting your butt handed to ya, learn to play better or come up with a better build. As far as "build wars" goes, that's kinda the point of pvp...make a better build than the other guy.

@op: Thanks for the info...good or bad, Thanks for the communication.

Do you even comprehend what those who are knowledgeable about the PvP subject are saying or do you just assume they are whining because they want anet to hand them gold capes so they can feel good about themselves?

Some of the most outspoken people on this issue are not getting their butts handed to them. In fact Mitch from KMD, who just won a gold cape, has been one of the most vocal about this subject. Ensign, who is one of the most knowledgeable players ever and who has won a lot in this game, has pushed and done a lot for skill balancing earlier in this game. Hell even rawr pushes for changes to the game, some of which hurt their play style.

It isn't a bunch of little whining losers wanting the game changed in their favor. It is people who are experienced and knowledgeable in the subject trying to make the game more competitive, alive, and fun.

Build wars is not fun. It never was, it never will be. And as of right now, what beats overpowered spikes? Other over powered spikes. So in order to come up with a counter for an overpowered spike, you create and even more overpowered spike. Where is the balance in this? Where is the option to split, or the option to pressure? there isn't one. That is what we are saying when we want balance. We aren't saying make all 1000 skills the same. Make different play styles usable so that we can run the play style we like most. Not force us to use the same overpowered crap all the time.

Arkantos · Apr 09, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by English Warrior

When you play PvP other than RA and know how big a skill balance is too us then come back and we can talk.

This.

I don't want to sound harsh, but if you don't actually PvP, or at least know what's going on, you really shouldn't be making comments like the game isn't balanced or you guys just suck, get better. You don't seriously PvP, you don't know what's going on, and you don't know what you're talking about. Of course I can't stop you from voicing your opinions, I'm merely stating that arguing about something you don't know is a waste of time for you, and a laugh for others.

English Warrior · Apr 09, 2009, 10:39 PM // 22:39

The thing that amazes me is Anet had the time too do April Fools jokes but no time for the serious stuff, especially when this meta in my eyes is one of the shittest ones.

makosi · Apr 09, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

I don't think there's such a thing as 'skill' in Guild Wars although people will insist on applying the typical Americanist unwritten definition of skill which involves celebrating and magnifying mediocrity and passing it as something greater.

Where I live nobody tells their child that they are beautiful when it clearly looks like a troll; nobody tells you that you can do *anything* if you put your mind to it; and nobody considers a game of rife unfairness, gimmicks and restrictive win conditions an indicator of personal or combined skill. We're dismal and dire people but at least we're keeping it real.

There has always been and always will be flavours of the month and overpowered-ness regardless of what's nerfed or buffed so it's time to accept that the game is unfair and not skill-based, even if the back of the box says otherwise.

Achrr The Archer · Apr 09, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Highlander Of Alba

Just another little teaser from linsey's journal posted to-day

So what you guys think this could entail for the update ??

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...urdock/Journal

Thursday, April 9th 2009
He's coming...
He's coming...
He's coming...

Easter Bunny for this weekend.

English Warrior · Apr 09, 2009, 10:52 PM // 22:52

You are partially wrong, there is a certain degree of skill to gvg because no random guild will win the mat, a guild who is high in the ladder will because they had the skill over the overs to get there, not build wars, maybe they used OP defensive spike builds but they had skill at them builds.

Still Number One · Apr 09, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by makosi

I don't think there's such a thing as 'skill' in Guild Wars although people will insist on applying the typical Americanist unwritten definition of skill which involves celebrating and magnifying mediocrity and passing it as something greater.

Where I live nobody tells their child that they are beautiful when it clearly looks like a troll; nobody tells you that you can do *anything* if you put your mind to it; and nobody considers a game of rife unfairness, gimmicks and restrictive win conditions an indicator of personal or combined skill. We're dismal and dire people but at least we're keeping it real.

There has always been and always will be flavours of the month and overpowered-ness regardless of what's nerfed or buffed so it's time to accept that the game is unfair and not skill-based, even if the back of the box says otherwise.

you are correct in saying their will always be gimmicks and flavors of the month. In fact most people wanting the game to be balanced encourage these builds. They bring something new to the table and we get to actually use our brains and sit down and come up with strategies on how to defeat these builds. However the game can be balanced, never perfectly, but it can be balanced. According to some players like Kaon, if you don't know who Kaon is you can stop reading now because you have no knowledge of GvG and therefore your opinion has no merit to me, the game has had periods of time where it was in a balanced state. I did not play competitively during those times so I am not at merit to state whether it was or wasn't, just that some people believe it was achieved at some point.

The game does take skill to play whether you want to believe it or not. Its just that today's game your lack of skill and mistakes don't matter as much because we have layers upon layers of defense making up for it. Positioning, strategies, and microing have always been a key part of GvG and are all based on how well you can execute them, which is a sign of skill. Making mistakes in this area (besides strategy) just doesnt punish as much as it used to, especially proper positioning.

Apollo Smile · Apr 09, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Rebel Zero

Um... because all I dream about is posting my meaningless titles in an area no-one but me will ever care to see. Seriously, HoM doesn't matter to anyone inside of PvP. This is why we always laugh at the PvErs that buy into these gold cape guilds. It's not the material items that matter such as titles or capes, because everyone who matters knows your meaningful accomplishments in this game.

The idiots spamming their deer and tigers in outposts say otherwise.
PVP players would be up in arms if only PVE achievements could be recorded in the Hall and potentially unlocking bonus stuff in Guild Wars 2. You are full of shit.

Rebel Zero · Apr 09, 2009, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

The idiots spamming their deer and tigers in outposts say otherwise.

Some people just like shiny things, hence why /Zrank is popular in the PvE side of the game. In all seriousness though, most of the people who spam these do it for fun or they do it because they like to show off their bought title.

English Warrior · Apr 09, 2009, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Actually i doubt most pvp'ers get a HA rank to go to there HoM and have a orgy over it, so you sir are full of shit, really people need to learn what they are talking about it is funny how the pve'rs are constantly insulting the pvp community.

Still Number One · Apr 09, 2009, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

The idiots spamming their deer and tigers in outposts say otherwise.
PVP players would be up in arms if only PVE achievements could be recorded in the Hall and potentially unlocking bonus stuff in Guild Wars 2. You are full of shit.

As a pvper i can tell you that no I would not be up in arms. In fact, that is how it should be. So what if my glad title can't be shown. Guess what, I still have 6 sets of elite armor. Wanna know how I got them? I used to PvE for a year before delving into GvG, and then about 7 months later, they introduced zkeys and I got even more rich. Just because I only play and care about PvP now, doesn't mean I don't have Armor. A lot of PvP players will create a PvE character of the class they play the most and play it just enough to get cool looking armor and weapons for it.

what the hell is anet going to do for me in guild wars 2 for my glad title? give me 200 free glad points for GW2? woopdie freaking doo. The only thing that would be remotely cool is if I got to have my armor I do now in GW2 just in case the armor in GW2 is terrible. Elite sets of armor are not very hard to get.

Apollo Smile · Apr 09, 2009, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by English Warrior

Actually i doubt most pvp'ers get a HA rank to go to there HoM and have a orgy over it, so you sir are full of shit, really people need to learn what they are talking about it is funny how the pve'rs are constantly insulting the pvp community.

Try re-reading what I posted. I'm not insulting the PVP "community" i'm noting that they aren't above elitism and using the infamous Hall of Monuments. You know just as well as I do that an update to the HoM affects everyone, not just PVE players.

Yichi · Apr 09, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Well Regina I commend you on two points that you have both now finally done more than your predecessor did.

First, you informed us that there would be nothing, instead of giving us the usualy bs about well were looking into it, you just come out and flat out tell us that "no this isn't happening." BRAVO!!!!

Secondly, you have finally admitted for your company that PVP in this game doesnt officially mean shit to your company after all, that your focus is entirely on PVE. Try as everyone might, they tried to keep up the illusion that the game was having equal time devoted to both and that both were equally important, and you finally have come right out and said it. I congratulate you.

English Warrior · Apr 09, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

Try re-reading what I posted. I'm not insulting the PVP "community" i'm noting that they aren't above elitism and using the infamous Hall of Monuments. You know just as well as I do that an update to the HoM affects everyone, not just PVE players.

I targeted the PvE community not you also, the problem is if they update HoM it is more PvE based than PvP based there is no argument in it and by that PvE is getting its update, but PvP isnt getting a change so they wont like it, its very simple.

Lets say there are 2 babies, if Baby 1 gets a dummy baby 1 is happy but then baby 2 will want a dummy but if he doesn't get a dummy it is unfair and he will be upset and complain about it.
Simple.

English Warrior · Apr 09, 2009, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Yichi

Well Regina I commend you on two points that you have both now finally done more than your predecessor did.

First, you informed us that there would be nothing, instead of giving us the usualy bs about well were looking into it, you just come out and flat out tell us that "no this isn't happening." BRAVO!!!!

Secondly, you have finally admitted for your company that PVP in this game doesnt officially mean shit to your company after all, that your focus is entirely on PVE. Try as everyone might, they tried to keep up the illusion that the game was having equal time devoted to both and that both were equally important, and you finally have come right out and said it. I congratulate you.

The problem is now Anet only can balance pvp by listening to the community but the community are wanting skills changed that have been recently changed and by that making anet's decisions look bad and Anet wont open themselves up for that.

Sorry for double post.

Regulus X · Apr 09, 2009, 11:26 PM // 23:26

No skill balance = increased gaming/interest 'stagnancy'

Storage is great! But, it by no means does it circulate our interest. We miss having underused skills get changed around so they're not so underused. We all know that GW2 is top-priority, but it's in Arenanet's best interest to retain our captivation up until the release of ya'lls next 'Big Hit'.

Just thought I'd throw that out there..

Still Number One · Apr 09, 2009, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

You know just as well as I do that an update to the HoM affects everyone, not just PVE players.

No it only affect PvE players because PvP players do not care whether or not they have a giant tower to display their accomplishments in. Their peers know who is good and who is bad, and that is all we care about. We don't need nor want recognition from a floating statue to tell us we are doing something good. playing the game, beating your opponent and then saying gg is all the satisfaction we need.

Grj · Apr 09, 2009, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by English Warrior

When you play PvP other than RA and know how big a skill balance is too us then come back and we can talk.

This ole quote, this game is esp the PvP community is rife with trash talkers.. and funny enough its the people who think they're the sh*t, been carried by their team or wanna be part of the pvp crowd.