Curse

Bill Clinton · Apr 24, 2009, 11:20 AM // 11:20

I know that many, many people are calling the zaieshen challenges grind - but they are wrong and i'm writting this post to clarify why.

Grinding is the process of repetitively doing the same action over and over before you have access to more content within the game. It is not, as so many people seem to think - comitment. Raptor farming is grind. Its doing the same thing constantly for money or items, which are exchanged for in-game content. Keg farming is the same. Certain titles involve grind. Aliiance titles used to be big on this. Constantly doing FFF was grind. Doing AB over and over was also grindy, despite the change of battlegrounds and flexibility in useable builds. But other than this, really, there is not much grind in guild wars.

Zaishen challenges are not grind. People see that it will take a while before they get the 20 slot bag and start screaming about it. News flash, no. Its not grind. The challenges are varied and take you to completely different missions every time you do them. You can do any three of them and they span the four corners of the guildwars universe. Casual pve, high-end pve, casual pvp and high end pvp. Most importantly though, they change EVERY DAY. There is no repititious action here, there is just the option of playing various aspects of the game for a reward each day.

Yes, it will take a while to get your 20 slot bag, and you need to be somewhat commited to getting it. But dont for a second make out that guildwars has turned into a grindfest that has abandoned its casual players - it hasnt. You are being asked to simply play the game and eventually you'll get a bag. If thats too much for you, I would think about reassessing what enjoyment you get from guild wars.

Thankyou.
/rant

IlikeGW · Apr 24, 2009, 11:33 AM // 11:33

if there was a better reward for it than the bag... which people have done without for years, it wouldn't feel so grindy. people were expecting new storage, as just that, not a "reward". the bags should have really just all been at the merchant.

headlesshobbs · Apr 24, 2009, 11:36 AM // 11:36

EDIT: oops wrong thread

Stop The Storm · Apr 24, 2009, 11:37 AM // 11:37

great, its still a grind

Tullzinski · Apr 24, 2009, 11:47 AM // 11:47

I disagree, I have done these missions many times over many different characters over two accounts and now IF I want the heavy EP I have to do them AGAIN. Grind...

upier · Apr 24, 2009, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Yeah, we probably shouldn't be calling it grind.
Might as well call it "that part of the game that sucks".
Has a much nicer feel to it also!

O Nuxtofulakas · Apr 24, 2009, 11:56 AM // 11:56

ehmmm....you don't have to do it you know

..nobody forces you to do it..as simple as that...

if you hate it don't do it. It's a free world!

anet sends you to online store to buy stuff: QQ threads complaining for prices
anet introduces z.quests to get stuff: QQ threads for grinding
QQ wins everytime

SerenitySilverstar · Apr 24, 2009, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Dude, as much as you are right, you're trying to talk to entitled 12 year old brats. Logic doesn't work with them.

The only problem here is that they can't move on without letting go.

zwei2stein · Apr 24, 2009, 12:02 PM // 12:02

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Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

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Its only matter of scale really. If one character could procure bag in about week of gameplay, you would not really see many people screaming.

Is it repetitive enough to feel stale after while? Is it gonna be if you are going to do them for bag.

But since Bags and Everlasting fireworks are about the only rewards from Zquests that are worth it ...

Gun Pierson · Apr 24, 2009, 12:09 PM // 12:09

Call it whatever you want but it certainly is NOT fun to repeat all the old content again and again for a long awaited and useful feature.

I'm not counting in the storage panes one can buy, but what is actually the storage on the spot in this update that took 3 months or more to complete? The small equipment pack per character (place for 5 items).

Now we can wait and play old content again for another 1-2 months. Laugh with someone else Anet.

Ratson Itamar · Apr 24, 2009, 12:10 PM // 12:10

the player which his join date is 2009 tells me that doing the same missions all over again for the god knows which time is not grinding. If you didn't play them again and again (I'm looking at you stupid guardian titles) it doesn't mean that other haven't.

I couldn't care less about getting a sword with the same model but different texture or all those tonics...I do, however, care about the direction that Anet is going to, faster and faster as time progressess.

The one aspect that dissapoints me the most is that we need to buy credits to change our characters' looks. Anet just threw every aspect of PvP out of the window (skill updates) for two whole months so they could make some extra bucks.

Thank you Anet, for not dissaspointing me on not dissapointing me. Keep it going.

SerenitySilverstar · Apr 24, 2009, 12:16 PM // 12:16

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Originally Posted by Ratson Itamar

I do, however, care about the direction that Anet is going to, faster and faster as time progressess.

The same direction that other games are going in an effort to keep afloat in an over-crowded market?

Oh, I forgot...they have to run on pee and wind, and do this simply for the love of it. Screw drawing a salary, screw being beholden to share holders...they make this game free because Johnny Gameplayer Generation QQ wants everything in his lap, free nao dammit!

/sarcasm

Geez, Anet. It's ok to fire some of your customers, it really is.

cthulhu reborn · Apr 24, 2009, 12:17 PM // 12:17

My problem is the lack of grind. I cannot move coins between characters so if I want a heavy equipment bag I have to get 7500 copper coins (15 gold z coins) I have to do it with just that one character. If I can get 500 copper a day then I have to play 15 seperate days for that character. If I could really grind I would be able to do it in a couple of days easy but in fact...I am not allowed to grind properly.

Aside from that I have 14 characters, so it's going to take me months and months to get those bags together for all of em cause I don't have the time to do 2-3 challenges a day times 14....that's just annoying. At least people will be able to sell them. I can imagine the heavey equipment bags going for 50k easy.

Targren · Apr 24, 2009, 12:23 PM // 12:23

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

My problem is the lack of grind. I cannot move coins between characters so if I want a heavy equipment bag I have to get 7500 copper coins (15 gold z coins) I have to do it with just that one character.

That's apparently a bug. You are supposed to be able to put them in the xunlai chest and move them to other chars on the same account.

Of course, given Anet's record of bug fixes lately, GLWT.

Quote:

If I can get 500 copper a day then I have to play 15 seperate days for that character. If I could really grind I would be able to do it in a couple of days easy but in fact...I am not allowed to grind properly.

Aside from that I have 14 characters, so it's going to take me months and months to get those bags together for all of em cause I don't have the time to do 2-3 challenges a day times 14....that's just annoying. At least people will be able to sell them. I can imagine the heavey equipment bags going for 50k easy.

My guess would be 60-75k, since you can get 1-Zkey for 1 gold zcoin, 15 zcoins for a HEP, and 4-5k/key.

poppu16 · Apr 24, 2009, 12:25 PM // 12:25

I don't understand how some people already got this EL crates of fireworks...
Zmoney can't be trade or switched between chars, if gvg is repeatable would take like 200+wins atm, people didn't got time since update....
its smells dupe shit

edit : ok EL crates seems to be a gift from nicholas

sph0nz · Apr 24, 2009, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing it up.

I never realized that doing the same missions I've already done many times previously wasn't grinding and that just because the quest changes which mission you do, it makes it so new and refreshing as if I've never repeated it before. All for just one bag to hold armor/weapons.

upier · Apr 24, 2009, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

At least people will be able to sell them. I can imagine the heavy equipment bags going for 50k easy.

You can sell then?
Freaking superb!
Now there is officially no reason whatsoever for me to do the missions - unless of course I feel like it. Which I probably won't.

Takeko Nakano · Apr 24, 2009, 12:39 PM // 12:39

This isn't new content, so of course it's grind to have to play all those silly missions et al we've already done just to get a blooming bag!

cthulhu reborn · Apr 24, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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Originally Posted by upier

You can sell then?
Freaking superb!
Now there is officially no reason whatsoever for me to do the missions - unless of course I feel like it. Which I probably won't.

Well, that's just me hoping that some people are willing to do this so I can buy them off players rather than having to do a bunch of missions 14 times for 2 months. I need the heavy equipment bags and with 14 characters I'd rather not have to go through this for all of em.

Tullzinski · Apr 24, 2009, 01:02 PM // 13:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Yeah, we probably shouldn't be calling it grind.
Might as well call it "that part of the game that sucks".
Has a much nicer feel to it also!

LOL

/signed