Curse

¿Evan¿ · Apr 25, 2009, 08:58 AM // 08:58

this ban is ridiculous even if he has multiple violations this shouldn't count. The people paying for fame don't sit and afk, they actually have to play. They are paying to play with a good team which they would not have a chance with otherwise. This isn't the same as paying for champ points where you sync in two guilds and resign. There is no manipulation or exploits going on here, people actually have to win games against other teams.

Rhasa Ghoull · Apr 25, 2009, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

We'll looking into this with support. Could you provide us, in private, with the support ticket incident number? Thanks.

She is replying to Niek2004 at this point. And asking him for information concerning the ban, so she can look into it.

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Actually, you had violated the rules quite a few times before receiving this account termination, and it wasn't for what you stated in public here in this post. Your account was terminated due to several lines of blatantly offensive chat, making this your 12th breach on the account. You were given many chances to behave, but you didn't.

Here she is replying to a totally different person named JonnieBoi05.

I find it amazing that some folks cannot make the connection that it is two different people she is talking about.

Context Clues for the win.

RotteN · Apr 25, 2009, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

I highly doubt their EULA got reviewed by lawyers.

I'm pretty sure the EULA got written, and then reviewed again, by lawyers. All legal documents are usually handeled by lawyers.

The OP's ban however doesn't realy breach that EULA, and therefor, should be reviewed.

lilDeath · Apr 25, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Didn't Regina hint at something similar to this in one of her wiki updates?
Think it was around the same time rawr got their gold cape removed for pulling the dance routine in a mAT.

I seem to recall reading it and still thinking, whoa, there goes fame farming.

w00t! · Apr 25, 2009, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Hmm... just keep e-mailing them. It's obvious the support team doesn't even understand your complaint. This is no different from running or any other service offered in the game.

Yes it is. The difference is that one is competitive and the other cooperative.

It's pretty clear that Anet will ban for competitive manipulation. In the old huge tourney days serious real world dollar prizes were given, so offenses like this simply have to be taken very seriously.

In the case of PvE, it's also fairly clear that running and the like is okay as long as the runner does not gain real world money. As soon as it crosses the line from in-game cash to real-world cash, that's where the player will get banned. So you can make a zillion GW bucks, but as soon as you try to convert it to real-world bucks, you'll get hit with the ban stick.

Just go back to tort law for your answers. It's really fairly clear, even if the EULA isn't.

Krill · Apr 25, 2009, 04:57 PM // 16:57

If this guy stays banned for a fame farming service Gwen and Tahlkora should be doing 9000 life sentences.

MithranArkanere · Apr 25, 2009, 05:06 PM // 17:06

Is quite simple to understand.
If you want to let people join you to get fame while doing nothing, you are free to do so.
If you want to get any kind of in-game or out-game profit from it, you are busted.

Why the other guys who did so are not banned? Because you are the one that was reported.
Don't worry, from now on more fame sellers will get reported if more people learn that their behavior is punishable.

Let's make sure everyone knows.

Sarevok Thordin · Apr 25, 2009, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Smells like they are trying to preserve the "prestige" of the bambi :P

makosi · Apr 25, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

It looks like people are getting pissed off because of bans then posting their stories on guru, except the stories have arms, legs and augmentations. I lol'd when Regina set the record straight. It was slightly unorthadox but I'd be pissed if someone was defaming my business too.

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Smells like they are trying to preserve the "prestige" of the bambi :P

Don't dis the deer!

Axeman002 · Apr 25, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

i think there abit trigger happy for people to buy new accounts ...

if it was so 'illegal' why didnt they post in the services part of guru and state so, as they have Gm's etc that browse this forum..

Glints Bane · Apr 27, 2009, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by Shred Di

I'm a guildie of the guy who got banned and i think it has just been a minor mis-understanding on the GM's part.

The fact is that last night my guildie added a guy to his group to farm fame, and only farmed 10 fame @2k ea (20k) and went to bed afterwards. Today, in the middle of a gvg he suddenly just logged out. There was the expected "wtf's" on vent and on logging back in he told us he was perma-banned. There wasn't even an explanation when he logged in. Of course, we were all speculating why he was perma-banned. At the time we all thought that it was because another guildie of ours had lent him a VS for the weekend (a one-sided trade that could be looked at as selling IG items for RL money). But after waiting a couple hr's+sending a support ticket he was told the reason stated in this thread. A few of us have scanned the EULA and it is clearly stated that "You may not offer in-game services for real-world cash."

By the way, the reason we're so annoyed about this and urgent to get this resolved is because we're going to be playing the MAT tomorrow, and this guildie is in the core+a 14 dayer. There are no 14 day accounts for him to play on (unless his account is re-instated v.soon).

@people saying that they're glad a fame farmer got banned. Fame farming is not afk'ing or leeching. You're given a bar+role to play in a proper team and you're expected to play decently. It gives pve'ers or people trying to get into pvp the chance to play with r9+ groups and to get to know the ins and outs of HA quite quickly.

Yeah that totally sucks. If either of you could update us on the outcome of the new investigation that would be awesome.

It really sucks that he was a core +14 dayer.

One thing that gets me is that the GM that emailed you seemed to jsut kinda blow it off instead of looking into the actual situation.

fb2000 · Apr 27, 2009, 05:50 AM // 05:50

Write again mate.. Hopefully someone start thinking..
Surprised by the number of whining dudes shouting "thats what you deserve"...

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Originally Posted by Qing Guang

Yes, but that's not the defining feature of communism; it's a corruption of it. It really should have been "Yay for restriction of personal freedoms!"

Oh please, dont turn this in a political discussion, especially when you have pretty distorted way of seeing things.. I bet most US citizens also believe the US "liberated" Irak and all the others dozens of countries, openly or covertly attacked...

Proff · Apr 27, 2009, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Well.... at least they don't seem to care about pve. Hopefully you get your account back.

Mindjack · Apr 27, 2009, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by fb2000

Oh please, dont turn this in a political discussion, especially when you have pretty distorted way of seeing things.. I bet most US citizens also believe the US "liberated" Irak and all the others dozens of countries, openly or covertly attacked...

I think you misunderstood him. You both seem to share actually a similar point of view on communism.

But yea. That's not the right place.

Lucia · Apr 27, 2009, 07:27 AM // 07:27

As usual, most of the posts here are beside the point;

it doesn't matter if you think that fame farming is a good thing or a bad thing, the only thing that matters is whether it is legal or not.

As there is no place in the EULA stating that selling fame for in-game money is illegal, the account should be re-instated ASAP.

In my opinion, a banned account that is re-instated should be compensated for the time during which the player couldn't play.

Mangione · Apr 27, 2009, 07:27 AM // 07:27

Scary thing:

OP gets banned (unjustly it seems), support doesn't want to listen, doesn't care.
OP opens a thread on a fan forum.
Support looks further into the ban.

So... do you need to open a thread on a forum to be listened by support?

We have tons of leechers/bots/whatever in JQ/FA/AB, and yet they are not banned.
Sorry OP. If your story is true, I hope you get back into gw unbanned.

fenix · Apr 27, 2009, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Once again ANet show how wonderful they are at following their own rules.

I hope you get your account back, regardless of your contribution to the ruination of both Heroes Ascent and Hero Rank.

Empress Amarox · Apr 27, 2009, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by Lucia

In my opinion, a banned account that is re-instated should be compensated for the time during which the player couldn't play.

When we start paying a monthly fee, sure (and in that case then it'd just be that many days free subscription, though I doubt p2p mmo's even do this).

Otherwise, free to play, no monetary loss.

XxSanctusxX · Apr 27, 2009, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Yeah good point, there are lots of champ point farmers and even guilds who just do this. Although I dont agree with the fame farming ban, if you ban fame farmers, ban champ farmers as well.
But it's the usual thing. Someone get's banned for no reason at all (g15 keyboards, fame farm service etc.), they send good mails to support explaining why the decision is wrong, and the only thing that support does is sending you pre-made emails that they send to everyone. Good support :\ ...
Why aren't they banning FA bots, just send one GM there and ban every bot he/she sees, that'll benefit this game more then banning someone for being a service to others..

Raccoon · Apr 27, 2009, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Alienating the fans seems to be a new method of keeping them interested in GW2.

*facepalm*

You know why people get runs for fame? Because you can't get a HA team unless your R5+, but you can't get R5+ unless you get a HA team. It's a viscous cycle of noobery.

Also LOL at "spirit of the game". It would appear that anet believes we would stop buying additional accounts from them for tournament point farming if the ladders were "fixed".