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[DE] · Apr 29, 2009, 02:26 PM // 14:26

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Originally Posted by bhavv

You and your opinion is outnumbered:

Last time I checked having a majority doesn't make an opinion any more correct. It just increases the stereotype of how dumb people in Riverside really are.

@Kaon, come on, your radical OP was doomed to begin with.

Kaon · Apr 29, 2009, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by [DE]

@Kaon, come on, your radical OP was doomed to begin with.

Why? So far noone has discharged my arguments. This means that I'm right.

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 29, 2009, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by Kaon

I payed 180euros for this game. I want to play it my way. As long as I don't spoil the fun for anyone else, why am I not allowed to do this?

You paid for the right to play ANET's game on their servers and by their rules.

Gli · Apr 29, 2009, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by Kaon

This means that I'm right.

You're stupid, not right.

You bought a game that has writing on the box stating how gameplay may be subject to change.

It changed.

How does this remove your liberties? That's the biggest nonsense I've ever read on this forum, and I've read a lot of nonsense on this forum. A lot.

Your liberties aren't threatened. You may still type /roll. Nothing or no one is stopping you. The game just responds different now. Which they are at liberty to do. As advertized.

bhavv · Apr 29, 2009, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Kaon

Why? So far noone has discharged my arguments. This means that I'm right.

You are right.

People are free to play a game as they so choose to.

If we want to /roll in PVP, let us /roll in PVP.

If we want to leave a team in RA, let us leave a team in RA.

The original whiners against the old GW mechanics that used to work and that people enjoyed are the people who prompted the changes to turn PVP matches into a locked prison cell where no one is free to leave if they want without being penalised.

Oh hey, I sense some kind of a police state - You must commit to a full boring match even if you wish to leave, and if you do not we give you a bitch slap cos we say its wrong !!!

If you step oyt of line, every tom dick and harry can send a report against you to get you penalised even further, just because you decided that you no longer wished to play with tom, dick, and harry.

Such a messed up state of game is GW PVP. I think I'm just going to start doing more elly way in HB because its fun and it annoys people when I laugh at them for winning with 4 ellys.

[DE] · Apr 29, 2009, 02:42 PM // 14:42

So the devs are wrong for trying to stop people from abusing game mechanics?

Man, having them update the game sure does suck. They should have never fixed broken skills either because people should be able to play the way they want to play! Yeah, this makes so much sense!

Oh wait, no it doesn't.

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 29, 2009, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by bhavv

People are free to play a game as they so choose to.

You are wrong, you are free to play the game the way ANET wants you to, if you don't like that find a game that will let you (if you can).

EPO Bot · Apr 29, 2009, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Threads like these remind me of the good old Diablo2 days. Especially when that ONE epic patch came out that nerfed the all mighty lance whirlwind barbarians, introduced elemental (and even physical) monster immunities and put a casting delay on some skills.

One particular post looked like someone published a scientific study about how much it sucked. It went on for pages and pages and it all came down to one thing: Blizzard had betrayed them by ruining their "perfect" characters. No one was going to buy Lord of destruction!!!! EVER!!!!

Well, they all did buy it for all i know. On day one.

Kakumei · Apr 29, 2009, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by bhavv

If we want to leave a team in RA, let us leave a team in RA.

If you don't think leavers are/were a problem in RA you're retarded. And comparing a video game company to a police state is similar retarded overreaction bullshit.

OP, you can't roll in GvG anymore. This does not affect your gameplay one bit, and there's literally no reason to make a thread and cry about it.

ogre_jd · Apr 29, 2009, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Nimble Night

If hero battles are so uninteresting players decide to base the outcome of a match on a /roll, it would seem that hero battles should be removed, not /roll.

Eh. Hero Battles aren't so bad. The problem isn't HB - the problem is the zombies who no longer like *playing* the game, but do so anyway and complain about the 'grind' (which, except for a very little Kurzick/Luxon or Sunspear grinding caused mainly by being lazy about taking bounties and, for K/L, spending too much before the point where it's needed to proceed, is all self-generated under the guise of supposedly having no choice but to go for the 20-slot equipment pack, titles, Hall of Monument bling, etc.) - and then look for any underhanded method they can find to eliminate the self-imposed grind.

The main problem with Hero Battles are those who go around whining about how much it sucks, telling everyone to not bother with it, and insulting anyone who dares say that they enjoy it. (Personally, I *don't* enjoy HB - I'm just not good at making Hero builds and individually controlling them, even just positioning them beyond all-go-there... I also happen to not like PvP much in general in MMOs. *shrug* Give me FPSes any day.)

Earth · Apr 29, 2009, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Kaon

/roll was removed from pvp because in hero battles, players used it to decide the outcome of matches and farm the title quickly. How is this bad? If they have fun this way, why not let them be? I do not understand this fascistical reaction from ArenaNet. If people have fun playing the game a certain way and it doesn't hurt anybody, why should it be removed? Unimaginable.

Because that's not the way the game was meant to be played. Yes, Hero Battles is boring, but they want it to be played how they intended it to be played. That they are 2 years late with this is of no concern to them apparently.

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Originally Posted by Kaon

Most importantly. This fix extends far beyond the solution of the actual problem. If you consider rolling in HvH a problem, then solve the problem, do not RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO over all the other pvp modes. Why are we not allowed to roll in gvg, tomz, ab, ra, or ta? Rolling has never had a negative impact on these playstyles. Why should it be banned?

I have had lots of fun rolling randomly in AB or GvG, just to kill time while waiting, or to do funny games. "ROLL FOR BIGGEST PENIS!" Fun. Every time I win HoH everyone gets these random items noone needs. We always casino roll for them. None of this is possible anymore.

I totally agree, except that I don't roll for biggest penis. They should have just removed it from HB, including the rock paper and scissors command. Then they would have to find something to fix the red resigns thing going on right now.

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Originally Posted by Kaon

This isn't really that big of a deal. I do think it's yet another perfect example of Anet not really having a clue what's going on and fixing the problem overdramatically causing much more harm than good. Something that has been happening in PvP since... forever. Also I hate it when a liberty of mine is taken away for no good reason whatsoever.

Well, I do think you're overreacting a bit because in the end, face it, it doesn't do that much harm.
I would like for it to only be banned from HB, but I won't feel any worse and I certainly won't cry about it if it stayed the way it is right now.

Saldonus Darkholme · Apr 29, 2009, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Kaon

The most amazing thing is how this thread filled 6 pages of retard spam within a single day. So far I think i've seen about 5 actual replies to the opening post.

What d you expect? You start a retarded thread, whining about how you can't "play" the system, and you want sympathy? Like Madea says, "GROW UP AND SHUT THE HELL UP!"

BTW: ALL these posts are responses to your post. What you meant to say is, "6 pages, and only 5 agree with me!"

Kaon · Apr 29, 2009, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Saldonus Darkholme

What d you expect? You start a retarded thread, whining about how you can't "play" the system, and you want sympathy? Like Madea says, "GROW UP AND SHUT THE HELL UP!"

BTW: ALL these posts are responses to your post. What you meant to say is, "6 pages, and only 5 agree with me!"

Uhm no. A random "shut up and stop whining" is not a response to what I said. If you don't give a shit then don't read the thread.

If you do give a shit and take the effort to reply. You have 3 options: Troll, agree, or disagree and attack my arguments. Your post and the majority of the ones in this thread fall in category one. Disagreeing without attacking my arguments = trolling.

Take a look at Earth's post. That's how you forum. I actually agree with the guy too.

But I suppose i've learned something. The PvE forums are full of empty-headed morons who will defend Anet no matter what happens or no matter the evidence. Hey that's funny, it has very nice similarities with this thing called "religion."

Peace out.

Sifow Chan · Apr 29, 2009, 04:24 PM // 16:24

^ Not exactly. I think Anet is filled with morons who don't know how to run a game properly. They abandon GW while coming up with a new game leaving us with nothing to do. Oh wait, they gave us HB without rolling. Fun Fun.

Maybe when they decide to stop releasing stupid things like Menagerie and HB, the game will be less boring. If they knew how to balance skills they wouldn't have to constantly nerf and buff skills either. But that's another subject.

I think HB is a waste of time and taking away the only reason to actually go there and play something so stupid was a bad idea. Nice job, you abandon the game except to add stupid things.

FoxBat · Apr 29, 2009, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Removing /Roll isn't really about "playing the game it's meant to be played".... they waited until this long to do anything about it. They never cared about the pitiful balth faction or commander title you could farm with it. It's purely to protect the "economy" from the absurd rewards of the zquest. With coins going into storage there's no limit on how many times you can repeat PvP quests by remaking chars. Next time HB comes up people will be more set on "red=resign", and we will see large packs on the market that much sooner at increasingly cheaper gold prices.

And it case it wasn't covered already, yes economy does matter to a degree. Look at how the zquest rewards have brought back pugs and fresh pvp blood alike - this is only possible with meaningful rewards.

Medoc · Apr 29, 2009, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Kaon

Why are we, the playerbase, not allowed to play the game the way we want? Why are we not allowed to have fun on our way? Why?

You can play anyway you desire, no one is stopping you from doing that. However, the Corporation which manufactured and owns the rights to the game has the LEGAL standing to do with the game as it pleases. If they decide to remove a segment of the game, much to your displeasure, that's their prerogative. From that point on, you have to decide how you're going to continue to have your fun with the way any game mechanics have changed. I assume that the decision was not made just to screw people. I would *guess* that there have been many players who felt that the /roll mechanism for deciding a match was just not within the description of what a PvP battle should be and did not want to have their "legitimate" efforts at points be overshadowed by those who simply rolled their way to a win. As a result, Anet looked at a function that they considered broken and removed it, maybe until a time they thought they could come up with a better accommodation.

It's really very sad that there are so many here that just bash Anet, and probably every other game software company, because the game suddenly doesn't conform to their exact wishes. WTF is wrong with you people? Do you think that these companies are here to bend to your every whine? They are here to make money. You obviously enjoyed the game for some period of time and things changed, rightly so or not. Do you really think these folks are "morons"? I'd bet that those of you who really believe this are still struggling with 7th grade algebra. I'm sure there are a handful of you that really know what it takes to create a game of this magnitude and also try to keep their loyal players continuing to play so that they will hopefully buy future products. However, I'd lay big odds that the majority QQ just because they feel that there opinion is some how so much more important and like to see their words in print. Play the game, the way it is, or not. Learn to adjust. And most of all, get over yourself.

theryl2002 · Apr 29, 2009, 04:52 PM // 16:52

I agree with Kaon as to the fact that /roll should have only been removed from HB, and sadly I am also not surprised to notice that 95% of the people who posted here CANNOT READ A DAMNED WORD THAT KAON WROTE.

Here let me put a summarized version in CAPS so you can read it better.

HE ISNT WHINING THAT HE CANT MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM BY /ROLLING GVG/HA/TA/RA MATCHES, HE'S JUST POINTING OUT THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THEIR NEXT MATCH TO START/END/WHATEVER THEY LIKE TO USE THE /ROLL FEATURE FOR NON-GAME RELATED SITUATIONS. HIS ENTIRE POST WAS NOT ABOUT HIS LOSS OF MANIPULATION ABILITIES, BUT BEING DEPRIVED OF ONE WAY HE WOULD GET MORE ENJOYMENT OUT OF THE GAME, WHICH WAS CREATING A MINI-GAME WITHIN THE GAME WHICH RELIED ON THE /ROLL FEATURE. NOW EVERYONE FLAMING THE OP FOR MANIPULATION SHUT THE F UP AND TO BACK AND ACTUALLY READ HIS POST.

That is all thank you.

MMSDome · Apr 29, 2009, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Roll was taken away from people that sucked at Hero Battles so the only way they could acquire points for their commander title was by rolling and when forced to actually fight they would leave the battle or rage and get their asses whooped.

Justice served, I am happy you morons can't roll, go crawl a hole and pve.

dr love · Apr 29, 2009, 05:07 PM // 17:07

removing roll didn't change a thing. people that do that, now just play /rock or red resign.

if fixing HB was the intention of removing /roll, they missed the mark. an appropriate fix would be dishonor pts for resigning or leaving the match. that way you can't farm it more than 2-3 matches per account.

Darkobra · Apr 29, 2009, 05:11 PM // 17:11

/roll

Lord Darkobra
Sex Machine

Yeah, that was less fun earning that title than it was to play the game beyond death.