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DreamWind · Apr 27, 2009, 05:37 AM // 05:37

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

Are any of the new micro transactions giving any play advantage?

Either they are and you can explain those or they aren't.

Arguably yes, and I have done so in other threads. But that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

I guess being idiotic is pointing the gaps on your arguments - an argument that basically is "the new micro transactions will give advantage to the players", followed by the companion "Anet is a greedy company and GW2 will be a micro transaction fest".

That was only part of my argument. In reality my position is that I don't care whether or not they give advantages to the players, I don't want microtransactions at all. The fact that they exist is repulsive to me...particularly in this number. But they exist, so be it.

But you gotta be fool to think more won't be sold in the future with the probable success of this. Before we knew about all these microtransactions, I suggested that Anet would start selling all of these things and the majority thought I was nuts. Now that they have arrived most people have changed their tune. I am saying right here that GW2 (and possibly more in GW1) will sell a LOT more that we won't be ok with now, but over time we will be. Anet is brilliant in the way they have slowly washed us to think this is normal and ok. Its almost like the people who think we owe Anet and Anet doesn't owe us because their game is "free to play" (which is of course a lie). Its amazing really.

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Originally Posted by Serenity Silverstar

I guess you missed the memo, oooh say 2 years or so ago, where Anet announced a change in plan. The BUSINESS model (marketing is a different game) has changed - if you can't change with it, not Anet's fault.

I'd like to see the memo. All I heard was no more expansions would be released and Guild Wars 2 was coming out, which as we all know was not their original plan and microtransactions were never mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Serenity Silverstar

If you want the game to remain static as it was at the end of Nightfall, fine. You got it. No money earned from the game means no further updates to the original game. No live team.

Because other games don't give out updates unless the users pay for them?

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Originally Posted by Serenity Silverstar

You simply can't have it both ways. You can't have unsupported free content. It's just not financially viable.

Get back to me when I said I thought content should be free.

This isn't content.

Improvavel · Apr 27, 2009, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Arguably yes, and I have done so in other threads. But that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

Certainly not the name changes or character customization. And the space is a slim advantage at most that could already be bought by buying new accounts. And no microtransactions at that.

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But you gotta be fool to think more won't be sold in the future with the probable success of this. Before we knew about all these microtransactions, I suggested that Anet would start selling all of these things and the majority thought I was nuts. Now that they have arrived most people have changed their tune. I am saying right here that GW2 (and possibly more in GW1) will sell a LOT more that we won't be ok with now, but over time we will be.

We will cross that bridge when we arrive there.

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Anet is brilliant in the way they have slowly washed us to think this is normal and ok. Its almost like the people who think we owe Anet and Anet doesn't owe us because their game is "free to play" (which is of course a lie). Its amazing really.

How much have you spent in this game, excluding the chapters and gwen?

I've bought character slots, since we have 8 and I wanted all 10 professions + 1 for PvP only. Then I've bough a couple for storage. 5 slots is like 45 euros, but I got the BMP for free with those. So its like 1 extra expansion.

On the other hand Anet original plan was to release 2 chapters per year. So by this time we should have 7 chapters out. It would be new content but I don't see what kind of original content.

So I was ready to pay more than I paid (and I got prophecies collector edition at half price).

The mule slots are perks really. Let me keep a lot more junk they I actually need.

What about you? How much more have you spent?

When GW2 come out, we will learn about what they are planning to give with the pack and what will have to be bought with micro transactions. If they go overboard I'll give them my finger and so will you and many others.

What I see though is people complain about having to pay for stuff they didn't even knew it existed.

There was talks about more storage space. We got it free.

If they hadn't released those things in the stop and just give us a pane and the bags people would be happy.

But then suddenly there is new stuff some people didn't even knew it existed or wanted, but since it is paid "OMG OMG", "I WANT I WANT AND FREE FREE".

There have been unlock packs in the shop and I didn't bought them and many didn't either. Same for bonus weapons, Imps, BMP, etc.

So, until proof to the contrary, all this seems an overreaction and/or people whining to have more then they got (which is natural but people don't always get stuff by whining louder).

DreamWind · Apr 27, 2009, 08:27 AM // 08:27

Sigh...at great risk of this thread deteriorating (if it hasn't already), I'll quote war you.

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

We will cross that bridge when we arrive there.

We have already crossed the bridge. It just isn't the big bridge yet...only the medium sized one.

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

How much have you spent in this game, excluding the chapters and gwen?

What about you? How much more have you spent?

$0. But I've given them far more in chapter sales than just about any other game company, and many of those other game companies give out more free updates. Seems weird doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

What I see though is people complain about having to pay for stuff they didn't even knew it existed.

But then suddenly there is new stuff some people didn't even knew it existed or wanted, but since it is paid "OMG OMG", "I WANT I WANT AND FREE FREE".

Um...are you kidding me? We have known about and wanted this stuff for years. The reason Anet is selling them now is because of that reason. That is why I think it is a slap in the face but apparently not as many agree with me. In fact Anet basically lied to us by saying that some of these things weren't possible when in fact they were. If the microtransactions in themselves aren't bad enough, even the way they went about releasing them was bad..they just popped it on us out of thin air one day (so I guess it is possible after all) with outrageous prices. And even if you like the microtransactions, even you can agree that the prices are out of control.

AmbientMelody · Apr 27, 2009, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

That was only part of my argument. In reality my position is that I don't care whether or not they give advantages to the players, I don't want microtransactions at all. The fact that they exist is repulsive to me...particularly in this number. But they exist, so be it.

But you gotta be fool to think more won't be sold in the future with the probable success of this. Before we knew about all these microtransactions, I suggested that Anet would start selling all of these things and the majority thought I was nuts. Now that they have arrived most people have changed their tune. I am saying right here that GW2 (and possibly more in GW1) will sell a LOT more that we won't be ok with now, but over time we will be. Anet is brilliant in the way they have slowly washed us to think this is normal and ok. Its almost like the people who think we owe Anet and Anet doesn't owe us because their game is "free to play" (which is of course a lie). Its amazing really.

Exactly my thoughts. Well, I guess GW community is already brainwashed enough and as such I will stop posting anything on this thread unless I see a good point finally made, or maybe a conclusion majority agrees to.

[sarcasm]
Until then, I will watch this funny thread and imagine Anet stuff counting their money ... wait, they don't get a cent, they are honest! It's just greedy NCSoft that repairs effects of financial crysis by leeching Guild Wars!
[/sarcasm]

Raccoon · Apr 27, 2009, 08:59 AM // 08:59

What I want is to hear anet's reasons for charging people for this additional content. They pretty much just threw it at us with no explanation. If it's because they need funding for GW2 then fine, I'll feel less shitty about forking over money for it.

kkthx regina when your rdy...

fb2000 · Apr 27, 2009, 08:59 AM // 08:59

Wow when did this thread sprout up? :x
I'm really surprised (not in a good way) by all you people whining and chanting BS about how microtransactions ruin GW..

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Let me put it this way, whether you agree or disagree with microtransactions is irrelevent. You can't say "microtransactions are good for everybody because if you don't like them you don't have to use them, it is optional". If you say that I'm sorry but you are idiotic and I hope to God I don't have to explain why.

"whether you agree or disagree with microtransactions is irrelevent."
Exactly. But why am I idiotic? Please explain. I dont see how anything of the new "items" in the cashshop offer any competitive advantage in any way.
Hell, the old things such as PvP skill unlocks seem a lot more "bad" than that...

Stop spinning weak-ass theories on how GW is going down because anet "might" do something in the future, and concentrate on what they ARE/HAVE done..

This game has to have the most whining community ever... Ever since Prophecies there has been the most ridiculous idiocy flying around for every single aspect of the game

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Originally Posted by Raccoon

What I want is to hear anet's reasons for charging people for this additional content. They pretty much just threw it at us with no explanation. If it's because they need funding for GW2 then fine, I'll feel less shitty about forking over money for it.

kkthx regina when your rdy...

Additional content? How do you define additional content? They added pretty much NO content other than the menagerie and zaishen quests (which I would call new content, but meh)

Gli · Apr 27, 2009, 09:16 AM // 09:16

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Originally Posted by Raccoon

What I want is to hear anet's reasons for charging people for this additional content.

I'm not Regina and I don't want to speak out of turn, but I'm pretty sure it has to do with generating revenue, which I heard is a thing companies do.

Apollo Smile · Apr 27, 2009, 10:21 AM // 10:21

Pray tell, what companies are giving out all these "free updates" as you claim, Dreamwind? Last I looked, games like World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XI, and Everquest 2 expect you to purchase expansions on top of paying monthly fees. Don't even get me started on all those free to download and play games where EVERYTHING has to be bought in cash shops, like better armor, exp scrolls, mounts, exlusive weapons and other unique cash shop only items that give you a glaring advantage over others. The only game that comes to mind is City of Heroes, as all of its mini expansions have been completely free to subscribers.

Lonesamurai · Apr 27, 2009, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Theres only one giving out free upgrades and not charging for anything except the monthly fee... EvE Online!

zwei2stein · Apr 27, 2009, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Theres only one giving out free upgrades and not charging for anything except the monthly fee... EvE Online!

And you can play it for free if you buy game month for ingame currency (yes, that is right. you can pay subscription by farming)

Lonesamurai · Apr 27, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

And you can play it for free if you buy game month for ingame currency (yes, that is right. you can pay subscription by farming)

Yup, one of my guildies just spotted me to jump back ingame and I repaid him with FOUR months game time with ingame Plex (the game time ingame)

Bryant Again · Apr 27, 2009, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

Pray tell, what companies are giving out all these "free updates" as you claim, Dreamwind?

Valve and Stardock come to mind, but Valve definitely moreso. I don't go on XBox Live too often these days, but here at work we've had a few free mappacks for Halo 3 and others.

willie nelson · Apr 27, 2009, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Guild Wars is a game that will receive no further campaigns or expansions, which means that revenue from retail sales is and will be for the entire future of this game on a steady decline, which will probably turn into a sharp decline once GW2 is released.

Anet has said that they plan on keeping GW servers alive and updating balance and weekly events for the game as long as someone is playing. To do that they need GW to make some money now and after GW2 release, if you think they're gonna use GW2 sales to finance GW1, you are sorely mistaken. That's not how businesses work. You don't keep something that you lose money on.

Makeovers, name changes and more storage is a thing that a lot of people have been screaming about since the initial release of the game four years ago.

All those things any one player can do without and they do not impact the gameplay in any way whatsoever.

So, insuring GW's future in a way that people who spend more time with the game(and you do have to spend a lot more time with the game than a casual player to have full storage in its current form) and have more money that they wish to spend while not gaining any advantage over people who just bought and play the box version of the game... I say, gg Anet.

The game is still free to play, what you bought when you bought the boxes is still there and always will be, not to mention we got some free stuff along the way as well(more storage among that, too).

All "but in the future there will robots and more microtransactions for important stuff and this is only how it starts" talk is for now just talk.

Not to mention how stupid "GW2 will be microtransaction based" talk is as nothing on the game has been released except the initial "it's gonna be free to play".

fb2000 · Apr 27, 2009, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by willie nelson

All "but in the future there will robots and more microtransactions for important stuff and this is only how it starts" talk is for now just talk.

Not to mention how stupid "GW2 will be microtransaction based" talk is as nothing on the game has been released except the initial "it's gonna be free to play".

Exactly. Stop thinking shit up

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PS did you know, you will be able to buy Godmode for GW2 via the shop. Works Pve and Pvp as well. costs only half a kidney

AmbientMelody · Apr 27, 2009, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by fb2000

Exactly. Stop thinking shit up

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PS did you know, you will be able to buy Godmode for GW2 via the shop. Works Pve and Pvp as well. costs only half a kidney

It's funny ... Not.

We already gained godmode with EOTN aka Ursan. Why they couldn't do the same lame trick to get more initial sales and then *nerf* it after year of complains? They already did that!

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 27, 2009, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

B2P MMO games with numbers of sold copies even 30% close to Guild Wars have enough money to run their business for years and then release next title and score even more players

Please elaborate on the games you are referring to.

pumpkin pie · Apr 27, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

Pray tell, what companies are giving out all these "free updates" as you claim, Dreamwind? Last I looked, games like World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XI, and Everquest 2 expect you to purchase expansions on top of paying monthly fees. Don't even get me started on all those free to download and play games where EVERYTHING has to be bought in cash shops, like better armor, exp scrolls, mounts, exlusive weapons and other unique cash shop only items that give you a glaring advantage over others. The only game that comes to mind is City of Heroes, as all of its mini expansions have been completely free to subscribers.

Requiem Bloodymare, recently (not very sure how recent) added a totally new profession (Xenoa) /weapons/armors the whole deal to their game. and you should look at their item shop. should also know its free to play, and words are they are working on another class/profession.

Rohan Blood Feud, whom also recently added a totally new profession (Giant) /weapons/armors the whole deal to their game.

These 2 are download and free to play with no obligation what so ever, so its very logical that they have item shops. Unlike some game that I've spend lots of money on and is now selling tickets/tokens so that I may get involve in activities in the game using resources that was previously already exist in the game? Hilarious

Apollo Smile · Apr 27, 2009, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Valve and Stardock come to mind, but Valve definitely moreso. I don't go on XBox Live too often these days, but here at work we've had a few free mappacks for Halo 3 and others.

I kinda meant MMO'ish type of games, but yeah Valve is great for free updates. Team Fortress 2 comes to mind.

willie nelson · Apr 27, 2009, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

And here comes the main problem and a great danger - just imagine them not releasing big fairly priced boxed chapters/expansions but instead dividing all the new content into small $10 'microtransaction' packages. Take for example Nightfall:

access to new Dervish profession: $10
access to new Paragon profession: $10
Istan - $10
Kourna land - $10
Vabbi - $10
the Desolation - $10
Realm of Torment (excluding DoA) - $10
Domain of Anguish - $10
2 additional character slots: $10 each
1 additional xunlai pane: $10

instead of $40-50 it's $110 - but they're all optional, right? - how not to love microtransactions?

There's a real danger GW2 may work like that... or even worse.

You're missing one big, very big factor in all this:

people willing to fork over 50$ for a box game -> round 6 million

people willing to fork over occasional 10$ here and there -> according to the number of QQ post about 10$ makeovers... not nearly as much.

I highly doubt that for GW2 they will change a model that obviously works, and where they have no competition in the market, for something that every second MMO is doing. To do that would be profoundly stupid and should Anet do it, they deserve the Epic Fail they would get.
However, from Mike O'Brien's comments in that last interview I think it's pretty safe to say they've figured that out as well, so I doubt that's where we're headed.

Apollo Smile · Apr 27, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Requiem Bloodymare, recently (not very sure how recent) added a totally new profession (Xenoa) /weapons/armors the whole deal to their game. and you should look at their item shop. should also know its free to play, and words are they are working on another class/profession.

Rohan Blood Feud, whom also recently added a totally new profession (Giant) /weapons/armors the whole deal to their game.

These 2 are download and free to play with no obligation what so ever, so its very logical that they have item shops. Unlike some game that I've spend lots of money on and is now selling tickets/tokens so that I may get involve in activities in the game using resources that was previously already exist in the game? Hilarious

And the "quality" of both of those are laughable.

Hell, I would suggest Runes of Magic and Perfect World over both. Rohan in particular is almost unplayable level 50+ without buying cash shop scrolls.