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Wish Swiftdeath · May 08, 2009, 05:37 AM // 05:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by pOmrAkkUn

Observer mode is your friend.
You can find some rank 1000++ guilds in observer mode. PM them to tell you want to GvG. They always want guests or members to do GvG daily.

Does that actually work?

None of the guilds i've been in actually did that, someone had to at the very least know and vouch for them.

tigros · May 08, 2009, 08:48 AM // 08:48

Like everything in life, being successful in what you aim for it's largely depending on you.

I had the same issue like you 1 year ago, beating most of the PVE things and wanting to go into PVP. I poked my nose around arenas, pugged HA to rank 3 and then decided I wanted to go into GvG.

I found out about kiSu and I applied for them. I insisted a bit back then to get in, since they didn't really have an entry level guild (they created it for all those wanting to start off into GvG back then) and also since I'm Euro and they were mainly Americans.

I was waking up at 4-5am in the morning to play American times with them (and at 9am going to work) in order to be able to learn GvG (and this allowed me to play with a lot of top 50 players back then). I've practiced builds in RA, observed guild matches, played ladder matches, AT's and third party GvG competitions and in the end I can say I've made my way into GvG.

So it all depends on what you're trying to achieve, the amount of time and effort you're willing to put into this and if you have the will to fight against all the challenges you're faced with. Whining will not help you get there.

pumpkin pie · May 08, 2009, 09:24 AM // 09:24

KAIN FZ, don't think that when you join a good PvP guild that 100% of their guildies will be good at play and courteous as a human.

I've been guild hopping for ages trying to find a good PvP guild for ... ever... i finally gave up, and am now with a PvE guild that has good plan, we are going to move over to GW2 together as a guild

hopefully we don't have to wait too long. lol people seems to not log on that much lately. including me. but everyone is still there. and still has plan elite missions.

that said, in a previous PvP Guild, i am not saying they are all bad, there are always one or 2 bad apples, unfortunately this one is a girl lol, she insults players who try to join our HA team whenever there we needed pugs, bad insults ... but the leader was great, the caller was great, except that girl who was rank 5 if I am not mistaken but she die all the time in HA and blames the monk or blame the lag. Leader will offer anyone a place in GvG or HA whenever theres an opening, you just got to be there. However, the bad apples are still there. So, what i am trying to say is you will never find a perfect PvP guild.

The best way is to work your way up, GET TO KNOW The regulars in HA and GvG, communication, make friends, that is the most important, it does not matter if you suck at the game. If you make friends they will show you how. all that matters is they like you.

very unfortunate, I don't like socializing especially with rude people with funny names :P

Yarly · May 08, 2009, 11:31 AM // 11:31

If you find it so hard to involve yourself in the PvP community, chances are you wouldn't like it anyway.

devils wraths · May 08, 2009, 11:53 AM // 11:53

titles killied pvp.

omg hes rank 6 glad or whatever he must be great. that doesnt mean that at all.

anyone is as good as anyone in this game all you need to know is the maps an some various skills.

Greedy Gus · May 08, 2009, 12:17 PM // 12:17

PvP titles are bad not because they brought rank discrimination, but because they brought title-hunters who don't play for actual competition.

Raccoon · May 08, 2009, 02:30 PM // 14:30

I've tried desperately to get into a HA guild to start working on my Hero title. But I don't have any ranks in it, and the only PVP title I have is Rank 2 gladiator.

But apparently that isn't good enough.

*sulk*

dansamy · May 08, 2009, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raccoon

I've tried desperately to get into a HA guild to start working on my Hero title. But I don't have any ranks in it, and the only PVP title I have is Rank 2 gladiator.

But apparently that isn't good enough.

*sulk*

No, it's not. Not to get into an HA guild. You need to start in "the mailroom" so to speak and PuG it up. At some point, you'll play with some people in an HA guild needing 1 more to fill out their group. Be willing to try playing what they need. Be honest if you aren't very familiar with it. Let them tell you how they expect the skill bar to work. Granted, I learned some of the most ridiculous builds in GW that way. But, I got into groups. If I screwed up something and I knew it, I was always able to point out my screw-up and knew what to do to avoid it again. That kept me in the groups. I came into groups with a friendly and relaxed attitude. I didn't freak out if/when we lost. I was willing to try again. Sometimes, a group was led by someone who was way more hyper and less tolerant that I was. Maybe, they booted me and I looked around until I found a new group. But, I kept playing.

And Ensign wins this thread. Talent doesn't mean diddly-squat. If you can shut up and listen long enough to learn what someone else is trying to tell you, you don't have to be talented. And if you want to get into the upper eschelons of PvP, be prepared for it to feel like a second job. A lot of them play for several hours a night.

Jeydra · May 08, 2009, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

Let me share a little secret:

Talent is not important.

Talent is a cheap resource. There's lots of talent out there. You can find it anywhere. It's very common.

Here is what is rare:

1) Attitude
2) Effort

That's what I care about. That is what is rare. People who are looking to *get better as a player and contribute to a team* and *put forth the effort to do so* are solid gold. It doesn't even matter if they have talent. They'll inevitably get better and start working as a team. They're putting in the effort. And they beat up on everyone who doesn't.

What I got from the original post is that:

1) Your attitude is terrible
2) You are not even trying

As long as that is true, no player who has accomplished anything in this game will want to have anything to do with you. I don't care if you are the most talented person to ever grace Guild Wars. You are bad, and will continue to be bad unless you fix your approach.

Agree 100%. There aren't enough people in the game who are man enough to admit when they screwed up, to obs themselves whenever they can and pinpoint their mistakes, and make it a point never to repeat it again, who don't blame everyone but themselves for a loss. Not nearly enough.

And I agree completely as well with Sun Fired Blank above. Most low ranked people are low ranked for a reason - they aren't as good. While there are exceptions, there aren't many. Take me for example. Right now I'm a rank 5 Gladiator, soon to be rank 6 ... and I'll happily say that I'm a better player now than I was when I was rank 3 or 4, and agree that rank 9 Gladiators are probably better than me.

If you are unranked, it probably means you're bad. You might not notice it now, but if you persist and gain in knowledge you will almost certainly come to notice. I thought I was pretty damn good myself when I was rank 2 Gladiator. I thought all the people with higher rank than me simply played more and played longer. I thought I was as good as them, perhaps even better. I was completely wrong. It took a person who cared enough - and I am eternally grateful to him for that - to respond to my 1v1 challenges and spank me before I realized how much more I have to go. I've learned so much more about the game since then, but I still have a lot more to learn.

Here's what I suggest you do. Contrary to what you think there are guilds out there who'll accept new players. You're very unlikely to get into a high-ranked guild straight off the bat, but there should be lower-ranked ones who don't mind accepting you. Join those. Play as much as you can. But remember: listen to those more experienced than you. If you're new, almost everyone will be better than you. Swallow your pride and just soak in the experience. Ask the people you play with questions and ask their suggestions. Ask the people who beat you the same thing. Ask the people on obs who play the same role as you (frontline, dom Mes, etc) for what you should be doing. Build up a friend's list of people whom you can ask to guest and so teach you firsthand. Make it a point to learn, because if you don't, you won't get better ... and then eventually, ask a higher-ranked guild for a tryout.

It can be done if you try. If you prefer not to try ... then don't cry that you can't get into PvP.

EDIT: Just noticed you took what you said back on page 2 ... good for you! Hope do manage to play, get better, find a good guild and eventually someday we meet somewhere in the PvP world.

DreamWind · May 08, 2009, 04:20 PM // 16:20

There have been some good suggestions in this thread (particularly from dansamy and ensign), but I'm not convinced it is that easy anymore. It used to be hard to find a decent GvG guild back when PvP was thriving...I couldn't imagine trying to find one today.

Back when I played I went the network route through HA. I built up a friendlist and eventually found a good guild that way and managed to make some friends I still talk to today. Today HA is all but dead. PvE and heroway is what thrives today. For the amount of work required to find a good guild today, I question whether it is even worth the time and effort anymore. This has always been a bit of a problem with Guild Wars, and is one of the reasons PvP has shrunk (alongside Anet's screwups).

Years ago I was a solid player who put a lot of effort and thought into the game, but even if I wanted to start PvP again today I wouldn't because I wouldn't want to go through the problem of finding people I enjoy playing with who can also fit my schedule of when I can play. Just one of the problems of an 8 man team game. The only way I would ever PvP again is if they allowed heroway sadly (even though it would be bad for PvP). But knowing Anet, I wouldn't doubt that would be in the future.

Still Number One · May 08, 2009, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

Let me share a little secret:

Talent is not important.

Talent is a cheap resource. There's lots of talent out there. You can find it anywhere. It's very common.

Here is what is rare:

1) Attitude
2) Effort

That's what I care about. That is what is rare. People who are looking to *get better as a player and contribute to a team* and *put forth the effort to do so* are solid gold. It doesn't even matter if they have talent. They'll inevitably get better and start working as a team. They're putting in the effort. And they beat up on everyone who doesn't.

What I got from the original post is that:

1) Your attitude is terrible
2) You are not even trying

As long as that is true, no player who has accomplished anything in this game will want to have anything to do with you. I don't care if you are the most talented person to ever grace Guild Wars. You are bad, and will continue to be bad unless you fix your approach.

This is pretty much the best response to the OP in the thread (not a surprise that it was from Ensign). I, and a lot of people I know, would rather play with someone whose attitude and goals match ours, and who is willing to put the time and effort into reaching those goals (no matter what they are). Having the right attitude means you are willing to take criticism. You are willing to get better, and you except you are not perfect. You know a rough estimate of how good you are (and you don't over exaggerate this) and you know you have a lot to learn to reach where you want to be.

Skill is something that can be taught. You become a more skilled player (microing positioning, observing the field) when you gain more experience and learn from mistakes. The key is you have to actually learn from the mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes every single game. If you watch the #1 vs #2 guilds play, everyone on both teams will make mistakes. It happens. You have to learn to know what they are and work to fix them. Part of the problem is a lot of people don't realize they made the mistake, that is where having the attitude and effort comes in.

Attitude and Effort are things that can not be taught. Either you have them or you don't. Asking your guild mates for tips on improving is something more experienced players like to hear, because it means you are trying to get better and help the team. Guild Wars is not all about you, and people who put the guild above themselves are always liked more.

To get into a guild, a post earlier about social networking hit the nail on the head. You can join guilds without knowing anyone, but you are less likely to find a guild that meshes with you that way. I started out by sitting in Shing Jea Monastery and when I saw a PvX guild say they were planning on doing GvG, I pm'd him about it and started talking about how he planned on starting it up. Eventually I joined them and became the GvG leader of that guild. I made the builds, I set up a team, I called spikes and strategy. I didn't join a guild that was already established in GvG and demand I be treated on the same level as them. I started with other people of 0 experience and I learned how to play by guesting more experienced players and by obsing and listening to vent recordings.

Honestly GW pvp is similar to any other competitive event. To be a great football player you have to practice, work as a team, and study game film. To be good at GW pvp, you have to practice, work as a team, and study the meta and how other teams approach it. You have to have this type of effort to get anywhere. If you don't, stop complaining and go do something else.

This isn't Halo where you join a random social match with 7 other random players. You are part of a team in Guild Wars and you can not play without your team ready to play along with you.

Still Number One · May 08, 2009, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

There have been some good suggestions in this thread (particularly from dansamy and ensign), but I'm not convinced it is that easy anymore. It used to be hard to find a decent GvG guild back when PvP was thriving...I couldn't imagine trying to find one today.

The question I have is, what do you mean by decent? Do you mean decent as in, they will win their fair share of games, or do you mean decent as in, a guild that has set playtimes, is organized, and works on improving and learning the game?

For a person just starting off, you have to realize you are going to join a guild with players who are bad. You don't magically jump into a rank 500 guild to start off. You start in a terrible guild that will lose 80% of its games. You learn the game, you get better as a guild, and you work your way from that 980 rating hole you dug and get yourself into the top 1k. Once you have played roughly 100-200 games, then you may be able to get yourself into a rank 700-800 guild. Then you have even more things to learn until you are capable of rank 500 and so on and so on.

You have to climb up the ladder without skipping any steps. If you try to skip any steps, chances are you will fall off that ladder (unless you are extremely acrobatic).

dansamy · May 08, 2009, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

For the amount of work required to find a good guild today, I question whether it is even worth the time and effort anymore. This has always been a bit of a problem with Guild Wars, and is one of the reasons PvP has shrunk (alongside Anet's screwups).

Years ago I was a solid player who put a lot of effort and thought into the game, but even if I wanted to start PvP again today I wouldn't because I wouldn't want to go through the problem of finding people I enjoy playing with who can also fit my schedule of when I can play. Just one of the problems of an 8 man team game.

This is one of the reasons I don't PvP anymore. Most of the people I enjoyed playing with have left GW. The people I know who still play are fairly inactive. They don't play often enough to have a good handle on the current state of the game. The active ones just frustrate me to the point where I don't pay attention to the match since nothing I do is gonna rescue the team already hell-bent on losing. And that just deteriorates my own skill level further.

House Silvermoon · May 08, 2009, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

Let me share a little secret:

Talent is not important.

Talent is a cheap resource. There's lots of talent out there. You can find it anywhere. It's very common.

Here is what is rare:

1) Attitude
2) Effort

That's what I care about. That is what is rare. People who are looking to *get better as a player and contribute to a team* and *put forth the effort to do so* are solid gold. It doesn't even matter if they have talent. They'll inevitably get better and start working as a team. They're putting in the effort. And they beat up on everyone who doesn't.

What I got from the original post is that:

1) Your attitude is terrible
2) You are not even trying

As long as that is true, no player who has accomplished anything in this game will want to have anything to do with you. I don't care if you are the most talented person to ever grace Guild Wars. You are bad, and will continue to be bad unless you fix your approach.

ensign always has things right. one of the players i respect the most even tho i've never really met him. stay cool ensign.

Lishy · May 08, 2009, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeydra

EDIT: Just noticed you took what you said back on page 2 ... good for you! Hope do manage to play, get better, find a good guild and eventually someday we meet somewhere in the PvP world.

Note that he's referring to these two posts:

Quote:

You know, I'll admit. You do make a damn good point there. Perhaps I'll admit, I got impulsive and I said some very stupid things in my rants. Okay, I RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up.

Just to emphasize.
I'm going to apologize. I've been having a very bad week and maybe I took it out on you guys?
Sorry. I got impulsive again. I was frustrated.

I hope people who missed that post reads it now ^