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Sarevok Thordin · May 07, 2009, 09:27 PM // 21:27

This is an issue that has been brought up time and time again.

PvPers in this game are, no offense to them, complete elitist jackasses. They only want to work with people on "their" level and refuse to see fit to help new blood into the game, because you can't PvP at high level by yourself, you need other people, and what happens when the current people start to leave high level PvP, get some more? Sorry there aren't any!

The elitism is destroying high lvl PvP's player base, very little experienced players are helping lesser players into the game, thus the people looking to get into the big PvP scene think "Screw this, what a bunch of doochebags" and leave.

Funny thing is, some people WITH rank are complete scrubs themselves. I remember a story about a certain scrub who bought his champion title from a high lvl guild who synced with another....

DarkNecrid · May 07, 2009, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Do hardcore HA'ers even enjoy what they are doing? What's still game about the game when it requires you to take it more seriously then your job and even your family?

I think farming 15 juni berries is much more rewarding then practicing six months just to make it to the hall.

Hooray! We got in the hall and got pwnd instantly. But at least we got in!

It doesn't take 6 months to get to the Hall, and there's absolutely no one (okay maybe 1 or 2 people but that happens in every game and people laugh at them!) who takes the game more serious than their job or family.

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Wow, you were really spoon fed all that bs, weren't you?

It doesn't take skill. It doesn't take any skill at all... Some of the worst players I've ever seen at least know strategies and have decent rank.

I knew this one guy 4 yrs ago, stupidest mofo I'd ever met.. He had r9. He was an absolutely horrible monk.. People took him on their teams just because he was hilarious in how stupid he was. He didn't even try to be, people just loved making fun of him. He wasn't the worst monk ever, but a hench probably would have done better. Yet, he still had a tiger within the first 3-5 months of GW.

It's not about "skill." It never was about skill. It's about playing well and communicating well with the rest of your team, and sticking together. If you have good communication and work well together, you're going to get somewhere as long as you stick together, even if you aren't the best players. You can be the best player in the world and play with different people every time and one bad team after another, and you're still going to suck because this isn't a 1v1v1v1v1v1v1. . . game. HA is 8v8. That 1 person doesn't matter how skilled they are or not, what matters is how well the team works together.

4 years..? Huh? I haven't played GW in months.. I logged on last night I think it was, and got 10 fame, just screwing around cause a friend invited me to come play with her. That's an absolute horrible amount of fame too, but even if you got 10 fame a day, you'd eventually get lucky and get a bit more, and you'd get fame np...

If it's not about fame, then why the hell would you keep joining "no rank requirement" guilds?

And wait.. Please tell me you didn't just say BHA rangers.. BHA rangers..?

You mean the rangers that shoot 1 skill on a caster then just let their bow auto fire, occasionally moving so they're actually shooting the target?

You RA a lot, don't you? You call that "skill..?"

LOL!!!!

Okay. You win the thread, it's okay. You can have your wrist slashing crymo event. I don't even care...

You're acting really weird and overacting to the OP's posts completely.

@OP:
They aren't being elitist per se. I guess maybe it fits the definition, but PvP is such a more challenging environment than PvE is that you need people relative to your knowledge and communication ability level or else you're just going to crumble. Ranks help you get a good guesstimate on this. It isn't always accurate but it saves some time. Someone who is rank 9 is probably going to have the same relative knowledge level as someone else who is rank 9 (map, skill knowledge, etc). They might not actually be as skilled (ran gimmicks 24/7, etc) but that's something that can be judged a lot easier (and then improved upon if the team wants).

Apollo Smile · May 07, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Well, the "holier than thou" attitude certainly isn't going to help PVP grow.

Inde · May 07, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Entitlement. <--- Best sums up your post.

I acknowledge that you are frustrated and it's just a bad day but your entire post is ironic and contradictory all at the same time. From the little part about you being polite and then referring to the entire crowd as retarded/elitist/bullsh***** to having so much experience and then not even knowing a good PvP guild to approach/get into it.

Sorry to be harsh there Kain Fz. I understand where you are coming from but I can't get over the way it was presented.

Gift3d · May 07, 2009, 09:33 PM // 21:33

Carebears PvErs who try to get into pvp by saying they "understand the game" and all that garbage is the real false advertising. They're also a dime a dozen and quite frankly you guys have just made a bad name for yourselves by being bad players. You fit perfectly into that stereotype, too. Way to go.

Which, i mean, is expected. No, rank doesn't show skill. It shows experience. I want ranked people so i don't have to tell them what to do on every map, the higher rank someone is, the more likely they are to have experience in all areas of that map, the more likely they know what to do and can think for themselves without asking obnoxious newb questions.

You, having pretty much no experience in PvP, thinking you deserve a spot in a high ranked PvP guild, thinking you deserve anything else but bullshit from people not willing to put up with your newbness, is such a bad bad bad joke, it's not even funny.

Martin Firestorm · May 07, 2009, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

just because of the mere mention of "A high-end PVE player wanting to get into PVP".

There's your problem.

DarkNecrid · May 07, 2009, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

Well, the "holier than thou" attitude certainly isn't going to help PVP grow.

No it isn't, but the OP is asking about serious guilds with goals to actually compete on a serious level. The tools for practicing and teaching in this game are rather archaic and/or poor (Isle of the Nameless/Scrimmaging), and there's only so much words can do. There are guilds that create alternate guilds to help do this, but that depends on the guild.

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

This is an issue that has been brought up time and time again.

PvPers in this game are, no offense to them, complete elitist jackasses. They only want to work with people on "their" level and refuse to see fit to help new blood into the game, because you can't PvP at high level by yourself, you need other people, and what happens when the current people start to leave high level PvP, get some more? Sorry there aren't any!

The elitism is destroying high lvl PvP's player base, very little experienced players are helping lesser players into the game, thus the people looking to get into the big PvP scene think "Screw this, what a bunch of doochebags" and leave.

Funny thing is, some people WITH rank are complete scrubs themselves. I remember a story about a certain scrub who bought his champion title from a high lvl guild who synced with another....

Most of the people that helped teach people or help the community grow left the game during the exodus from Guild Wars: Nightfall which shrunk the community a lot. There's still people who help teach or help out new people, quite a lot of them. There's guilds with no requirements who accept anybody just so people can get some experience, and quite a few of the current top end (Rebel Rising members, KMD members, etc etc etc) will sub in for lower ranked guilds to help them out. You're looking at the community at a very narrow viewpoint, there are people who help out and create environments just for that, but that wasn't quite what the OP was ranting at. He was ranting at guilds who created an environment for serious competitive play, and just as you wouldn't recruit a random computer programmer for a NFL football team, these guilds aren't going to recruit a random guy they don't know for their team. You're only looking at one side of the apple and are completely ignoring the countless resources out there that are on the other side. Granted this side is kind of small now, but people try their hardest and it's really all there is since tons of people left.

What Now · May 07, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Selket

I'm pretty sure that anyone ever can be a high end pve player. Heroes can do it without any gear.

I'm pretty sure telling people that you are a high end pve player is why you get rejected. Were there actually any good PvErs (I could probably name one or something), I'm sure someone in some guild would have heard of them and would have known that you were not one of them and rejected you even moreso.

Saying "I was one of the first x" is just stupid. You can't prove it and it doesn't mean anything even if you could.

I would have to agree here...keep PvE out of PvP...saying less is better, saying you're new and eager to get better at PvP will get you far more than saying I'm a hardcoreeee PvEr because most people won't recruit you assuming if they do you'll do just that, PvE.

Rhamia Darigaz · May 07, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50

i too wish to join a good guild and feel that if a guild does not let me in they are elitist assholes. why can't they see how good i will be from the fact that i told them i'm a high-end pve player. HIGH END! wtf that's like all the cred you need. and then when they say no we want someone who has gvged before i say wtf you shit-for-brains just because i've never gvged before doesn't mean i'm not allowed in the guild. who are you to tell me i can't join? in fact i was just about to make a thread just like this but you beat me to it. want to be in a guild with me? we're both non-elitist, polite, high-end pve players who will show them how wrong they were to reject us by farming a gold cape next month. we could call our guild "Lol Runescape PvP > Guild Wars P [vP]" and then everyone would be jealous of our humorous guild name with a tag that follow the format [aB] where a is a lowercase letter and B is a different uppercase letter. it's a formula for success! and then when the ranked "good" (elitist) pvp players wnat in our guild we will say no you don't have GWAMM and they will cry all the way back to their shitty guild with a unfunny name and non-formulaic tag.
i'll send the invite when i log on tonight.

Lhim · May 07, 2009, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Aren't there any guilds that are willing to teach PvP to new PvP-players? You could gain some experience and work your way up from there.

I'll give you one thing though, a lot of guilds are retarded. But that goes for PvE- as well as PvP-guilds.

Gun Pierson · May 07, 2009, 09:56 PM // 21:56

The only prob with PvP is that although it's a minority, it's full of PvP'rs.

They look at PvE players for two things: to lowball on and to suck gold out of them. They don't welcome newbies and they forget everybody needs to start from scratch. Any help with that is welcome.

No wonder we have a problem with new blood coming into PvP.

Finally, I would like to add not all PvP guilds and PvP'rs are like that, at least I hope not.

@OP:Next time write a decent post and title if you want to discuss on a serious level.

Johny bravo · May 07, 2009, 10:06 PM // 22:06

This is coming from a PvE player who goes in and out of PvP. Make some friends, I HA'd with a couple guys just pugging around that were r6-r9. I did well and put them on my friends list. Whenever I felt like HAing I jumped into one of their ranked groups and they helped me get my r3. This was maybe 2-3 month ago, so its not like it was 4 years ago. I agree with what alleji said on tactics as I was clueless my first few times on any of the maps that weren't simply kill the other team. After a few groups with them I had a better understanding and r2. I still am very weak on map tactics for HA but at least I am familiar with all the maps now.

As for GvG I was in KISU for a few months and learned quite a bit there as far as strategies, map layouts, and the importance of know YOUR role on a team and how you can effect the outcome of a match. I would recommend just doing some GvG, win or lose you still learn the different maps and at the least what doesn't work. A guild that GvGs a lot is not going to pick up a guy who has no to little experience in GvG.

Unless you get really lucky you will not get in a good guild right off the bat. You will lose A LOT. learn move on get better and eventually you will get into a good guild.

Lastly PvE experience means absolutely nothing in GvG or HA. Even high-end non-gimmick experience is still no where near the same thing. In GvG strategies are shifting during the match itself and adjustments need to be made on the fly. In PvE the majority of adjustments are made prior to entering your zone. PvE and PvP are completely different experiences.

Skco · May 07, 2009, 10:06 PM // 22:06

PvP'ers don't like wasting time talking to pve scrubs. Sorry

Back then · May 07, 2009, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

I've actually heard a lot about KiSU and even bookmarked their forums.

Also, about abusing AI.
I've played before even Nightfall was released. And even when it was, I played through the game with my Dervish without even using heroes (I was skeptical of them at that time.) or PvE skills whatsoever. Heck, when they finally released skills like Critical Agility and Eternal Aura, I simply couldn't believe how overpowered they were. Before the Critical Agility nerf, did you see how overpowered those Mesmer Illusionary Weapondry builds were? Of course, the mesmer reign in PvE lasted only a short amount of time.
I'm also one of the few r10 norn paragons who didn't abuse Ursan. Back then, all we had some a gay man in a skirt, and careful usage of Cruel Spear. And when DoA first released, normal mode was like hard mode!

Though, that being said, PVE and PVP are two different games. But on the bright side, it teaches you about all the skills and their potential in moth metagames.

Wow can your ego get any bigger? You should fit right in with all these pvper's you hate.

i farm baddies · May 07, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

to op: get good

Apollo Smile · May 07, 2009, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Skco

PvP'ers don't like wasting time talking to pve scrubs. Sorry

And here is an example of players you avoid.

DarkNecrid · May 07, 2009, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Johny bravo

This is coming from a PvE player who goes in and out of PvP. Make some friends, I HA'd with a couple guys just pugging around that were r6-r9. I did well and put them on my friends list. Whenever I felt like HAing I jumped into one of their ranked groups and they helped me get my r3. This was maybe 2-3 month ago, so its not like it was 4 years ago. I agree with what alleji said on tactics as I was clueless my first few times on any of the maps that weren't simply kill the other team. After a few groups with them I had a better understanding and r2. I still am very weak on map tactics for HA but at least I am familiar with all the maps now.

As for GvG I was in KISU for a few months and learned quite a bit there as far as strategies, map layouts, and the importance of know YOUR role on a team and how you can effect the outcome of a match. I would recommend just doing some GvG, win or lose you still learn the different maps and at the least what doesn't work. A guild that GvGs a lot is not going to pick up a guy who has no to little experience in GvG.

Unless you get really lucky you will not get in a good guild right off the bat. You will lose A LOT. learn move on get better and eventually you will get into a good guild.

Lastly PvE experience means absolutely nothing in GvG or HA. Even high-end non-gimmick experience is still no where near the same thing. In GvG strategies are shifting during the match itself and adjustments need to be made on the fly. In PvE the majority of adjustments are made prior to entering your zone. PvE and PvP are completely different experiences.

This is a good post for you to read OP. Networking is super important, find people you can add to your flist and play with, they know more people which means more doors opening for you which = good. The more people you talk to and add the more you'll get the experience you're needing to get somewhere.

Lishy · May 07, 2009, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by Back then

Wow can your ego get any bigger? You should fit right in with all these pvper's you hate.

There are actual arguments how playing PvE first can teach you about PvP, but whatever.
Just understand the fact that back then, PvE and PvP skills weren't split, and that if someone doesn't learn about the game's skills, they wouldn't know about "I will avenge you" builds, or the Elementalist Bomb that's often seen in TA. They would be using Flame on a fast caster mesmer, because they don't know how the skills work and it's what they're familiar with. PvE gives you the "lead to the pencil needed to draw" our PvP builds. It isn't the drawing. But it allows you to draw that drawing because you have the lead.
I don't understand what they has to do with ego though. Explain?

To Gun Pierson: Like I said before in my apology, I was frustrated and made a really impulsive mistake when originally making this thread. Right now, I don't see how what I said wasn't stupid.

alluring athena · May 07, 2009, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Are you any good: no.
No offense, but if you have no experience, why would someone want you? Do you think a decent PvE guild takes someone who's not experienced in all the farms, dungeons, and high-end areas? No. So why should PvP guilds take you, where the stakes and success are harder?

Actually the answer is "yes" any pve guild worth 1/2 a damn will take any player into any area and help them learn

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

PvE hasn't required skill for months now, so saying you're a high-end PvE player translates into "Hey, I've played a boring game where all the builds are gimmicks centered around impossible amounts of defense and offense, and all of our mistakes are voided by the consumables."

Such a common misconception that PVP > PVE
and therefore a person who only PVPs and has tigers and whatever other emote gimmick is somehow greater than everyone else.
Unjustified elitism
Get off your pedestal because trust me...very few people are actually looking "up" to you.

*lemming* · May 07, 2009, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

PvPers in this game are, no offense to them, complete elitist jackasses. They only want to work with people on "their" level and refuse to see fit to help new blood into the game, because you can't PvP at high level by yourself, you need other people, and what happens when the current people start to leave high level PvP, get some more?

There is no personal incentive for the kind of handholding you seem to expect.