Curse

Lishy · May 07, 2009, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

Kay.. Let me explain something...
But now when the game has been out for over 4 years and you can't even manage to grind out some kind of rank? That's just sad quite honestly. You can give any pathetic kind of excuse you want, but guess what? Everyone had to do something somewhere to start and if you just want to complain about elitism and requirements and crap, then why don't you take charge? Don't cry so damn much.

Who says we don't have titles? You're missing my point here.
Are you saying it is a requirement to not take frequent breaks from guild wars, and to play for 4 years straight just to get into a guild that claims they have no requirement?
We're not talking about flare warriors. We're talking about people like BHA rangers who just plain want to see other PVP players. It doesn't take 4 years to learn the game or basic strategy. It takes skill.

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Originally Posted by What Now

So are you a Dervish? If so I can tell you to hang that up right now if you intend on doing any serious PvP sorry =) What do you play?

Dervish is now an old mule that I use to play back when they were true enchantment jugglers and Warrior's Endurance or Critical Scythe wasn't part of the "meta"
I play Monk, Warrior, Mesmer, Ranger, Assassin, and Paragon

Apollo Smile · May 07, 2009, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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No way we can lose!

Haxor · May 07, 2009, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Also, last I checked, wasn't HA PuG impossible these days?

As an other PvE-er trying to get in to PvP, currently pugging to R3 Hero - I have to state the following:
Bitching about elitists gets less fame than just trying to PUG in HA. It also gets you more "respect", if you can use that term. I wouldn't be surprised if people who read this and who HA will vaguely remember your name and put you under a "don't bother" category.

Besides, requiring rank is logical. As a R0 or R1, you probably don't know most map strategies. Or maybe you know the general strategy, but you move too slow on cap points. This can lose you a match. Perhaps you don't notice the snare coming up on you at the relic runs, and you're too late with piling everything on him. Perhaps you're too late with the WoW, MH or SoC.

Guilds want to win. Inexperienced people are a liability. Most groups want to limit the liabilities as far as possible.

In short: PUGing with (mostly bad) teams and winning the odd battle gives more fame than bitching on forums.

PS. Try Mathway or IWAY. They're the easiest to run for grinding to R3.

Lishy · May 07, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

[build prof=Warrior/Elementalist][Glyph of Essence][Frenzy][Eviscerate][Executioner's Strike][Phoenix][Rush][Lion's Comfort][Resurrection Signet][/build] [build prof=Warrior/Elementalist][Glyph of Essence][Frenzy][Backbreaker][Crushing Blow][Phoenix][Rush][Lion's Comfort][Resurrection Signet][/build] [build prof=Mesmer/Monk][Echo][Arcane Echo][Arcane Mimicry][Arcane Thievery][Arcane Larceny][Diversion][Power Drain][Resurrection Signet][/build] [build prof=Mesmer/Monk][Echo][Arcane Echo][Arcane Mimicry][Arcane Thievery][Arcane Larceny][Diversion][Power Drain][Resurrection Chant][/build] [build prof=Ranger/Mesmer][Apply Poison][Archer's Signet][Concussion Shot][Distracting Shot][Pin Down][Hunter's Shot][Troll Unguent][Dryder's Defenses][/build] [build prof=Assassin/Monk][Shadow Form][Deadly Paradox][Heart of Shadow][Dismiss Condition][Infuse Health][Gift of Health][Signet of Rejuvenation][Signet of Devotion][/build] [build prof=Assassin/Monk][Shadow Form][Deadly Paradox][Heart of Shadow][Dismiss Condition][Infuse Health][Gift of Health][Signet of Rejuvenation][Remove Hex][/build] [build prof=Warrior/Necromancer][Sever Artery][Gash][Distracting Blow][Sprint][Riposte][Deadly Riposte][Healing Signet][Grenth's Balance][/build]

No way we can lose!

You can lose. You forgot mending!

Also, yes, IWAY is awesome for grinding ranks. I <3 the warrior. It lets me bring in my useless Black Widow and soon to be Moss Spider :3

Apollo Smile · May 07, 2009, 08:43 PM // 20:43

I think we can put mending on the ranger!

What Now · May 07, 2009, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Who says we don't have titles? You're missing my point here.
Are you saying it is a requirement to not take frequent breaks from guild wars, and to play for 4 years straight just to get into a guild that claims they have no requirement?
We're not talking about flare warriors. We're talking about people like BHA rangers who just plain want to see other PVP players. It doesn't take 4 years to learn the game or basic strategy. It takes skill.

Dervish is now an old mule that I use to play back when they were true enchantment jugglers and Warrior's Endurance or Critical Scythe wasn't part of the "meta"
I play Monk, Warrior, Mesmer, Ranger, Assassin, and Paragon

Another thing that probably puts people off, we want to know what you play not what you can play or have played but the job/position you play best.

Also wipe para and 80% of the time sin off that list. Imo if you really think you're that capable this game really needs some good mesmers/rangers again and not ones that simply do.

If you had titles you'd use them to get into guilds, hell I'm C3 and I don't even put that down when I apply for guilds anymore just my experience and I get in stand alone off that. You claim to be polite but you are here ranting and shooting everyone down, you can put up a front but when the pressure gets going you are usually the kind of person who points fingers and people end up not wanting to play with from the sounds of it.

Lishy · May 07, 2009, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Haxor

As an other PvE-er trying to get in to PvP, currently pugging to R3 Hero - I have to state the following:
Bitching about elitists gets less fame than just trying to PUG in HA. It also gets you more "respect", if you can use that term. I wouldn't be surprised if people who read this and who HA will vaguely remember your name and put you under a "don't bother" category.

Besides, requiring rank is logical. As a R0 or R1, you probably don't know most map strategies. Or maybe you know the general strategy, but you move too slow on cap points. This can lose you a match. Perhaps you don't notice the snare coming up on you at the relic runs, and you're too late with piling everything on him. Perhaps you're too late with the WoW, MH or SoC.

You know, I'll admit. You do make a damn good point there. Perhaps I'll admit, I got impulsive and I said some very stupid things in my rants. Okay, I RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up.

Alleji · May 07, 2009, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Knowledge on the Meta? Check
Proper grammar and speech? Check
Politeness? Check
Analyzes GVG/HA matches? Check
Willing to, or takes part in GW communities? Check
Ventrillo or Team Speak? Check
Working Mic? Check
GVG/HA experience of knowledge? Check
Being able to put together any build for the class we claim we play? Check

Low-end GvG experience is pretty much impossible to prove since champ points can only indicate top 100 experience or so, but how can you claim to have HA experience without even having r3?

There are elementary things that experienced HA players know. For example:
- Which way do you go on courtyard from each starting location?
- How far from the altar is the ghost in capping range?
- Yellow shrine is disabled during 1v1 cap points in HoH
- How do you open the gate on antechamber?
- How do you open the gate on antechamber from the middle shrine?

Those are only examples related directly to maps. Builds, tactics, and individual skills (using ward vs foes, going around said ward, bodyblocking in 20 different scenarios, etc) excluded. You can't possibly learn that and still remain unranked, because in the time it would take you to learn, you'd accumulate more than 100 fame.

Basically, any tactical map is guaranteed to be a fail with players who have no clue what to do. People with experience are fully justified in rejecting random unranked pugs if they don't want to deal with any of the above. (Chances are they'll have to anyway, because I see a r9 moron who can't snare practically every day, but at least less chance of it happening that way)

Anyway, what class(es) do you claim to play, and are you aiming specifically at GvG or HA?

Martin Alvito · May 07, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

OP: Your problem is that you're too focused on your own needs. The only way that you're going to be a success in the PvP community is by figuring out what the team needs and conforming your behavior to match the team's needs.

Unless you have spent a ton of time in PvP, there are many, many things that you do not know. It is impossible for a group of regular players to communicate those concepts to you quickly or efficiently. No good group will tolerate having you on the team until you can do a respectable job of playing your bar and know at least the basics of strategy for the job you play. Teams can give you subtle pointers as you go. If you need more than that, you're just not going to work out.

Your lack of titles sends a strong signal that you're not going to work out. You haven't yet paid your dues.

Stop worrying about what you want and focus on figuring out how to give the team what they want.

Apollo Smile · May 07, 2009, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Gee, its sure is second job around here.

Lishy · May 07, 2009, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

You know, I'll admit. You do make a damn good point there. Perhaps I'll admit, I got impulsive and I said some very stupid things in my rants. Okay, I RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up.

Just to emphasize.
I'm going to apologize. I've been having a very bad week and maybe I took it out on you guys?
Sorry. I got impulsive again. I was frustrated.

Empress Amarox · May 07, 2009, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Who says we don't have titles? You're missing my point here.
Are you saying it is a requirement to not take frequent breaks from guild wars, and to play for 4 years straight just to get into a guild that claims they have no requirement?
We're not talking about flare warriors. We're talking about people like BHA rangers who just plain want to see other PVP players. It doesn't take 4 years to learn the game or basic strategy. It takes skill.

Wow, you were really spoon fed all that bs, weren't you?

It doesn't take skill. It doesn't take any skill at all... Some of the worst players I've ever seen at least know strategies and have decent rank.

I knew this one guy 4 yrs ago, stupidest mofo I'd ever met.. He had r9. He was an absolutely horrible monk.. People took him on their teams just because he was hilarious in how stupid he was. He didn't even try to be, people just loved making fun of him. He wasn't the worst monk ever, but a hench probably would have done better. Yet, he still had a tiger within the first 3-5 months of GW.

It's not about "skill." It never was about skill. It's about playing well and communicating well with the rest of your team, and sticking together. If you have good communication and work well together, you're going to get somewhere as long as you stick together, even if you aren't the best players. You can be the best player in the world and play with different people every time and one bad team after another, and you're still going to suck because this isn't a 1v1v1v1v1v1v1. . . game. HA is 8v8. That 1 person doesn't matter how skilled they are or not, what matters is how well the team works together.

4 years..? Huh? I haven't played GW in months.. I logged on last night I think it was, and got 10 fame, just screwing around cause a friend invited me to come play with her. That's an absolute horrible amount of fame too, but even if you got 10 fame a day, you'd eventually get lucky and get a bit more, and you'd get fame np...

If it's not about fame, then why the hell would you keep joining "no rank requirement" guilds?

And wait.. Please tell me you didn't just say BHA rangers.. BHA rangers..?

You mean the rangers that shoot 1 skill on a caster then just let their bow auto fire, occasionally moving so they're actually shooting the target?

You RA a lot, don't you? You call that "skill..?"

LOL!!!!

Okay. You win the thread, it's okay. You can have your wrist slashing crymo event. I don't even care...

Jensy · May 07, 2009, 09:06 PM // 21:06

Like anything with this game, the more time spent bitching and whining that you're not doing something = less time when you could actually BE doing something.

I was just saying to a guildie that I'm at the point where I'm feeling the same in regards to PvE. It's just getting boring, even without lolwin pve skillbars, it's easy. But we're going to start out at the bottom, as... that's where we should be right now. We know game mechanics, we know how to make effective skillbars, but we need to learn how to adapt what we know to PvP.

'High End' PvE groups don't take any joe blow from the outpost on a mission with them, I'm not sure why high end PvP groups should. I guess it's all depending on your definition of decent, too. Sure, you'll be able to get into groups doing so-so on the ladder after you get experience, but nobody rolls out of bed and falls into a cape trim.

EPO Bot · May 07, 2009, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Do hardcore HA'ers even enjoy what they are doing? What's still game about the game when it requires you to take it more seriously then your job and even your family?

I think farming 15 juni berries is much more rewarding then practicing six months just to make it to the hall.

Hooray! We got in the hall and got pwnd instantly. But at least we got in!

Selket · May 07, 2009, 09:14 PM // 21:14

I'm pretty sure that anyone ever can be a high end pve player. Heroes can do it without any gear.

I'm pretty sure telling people that you are a high end pve player is why you get rejected. Were there actually any good PvErs (I could probably name one or something), I'm sure someone in some guild would have heard of them and would have known that you were not one of them and rejected you even moreso.

Saying "I was one of the first x" is just stupid. You can't prove it and it doesn't mean anything even if you could.

Alleji · May 07, 2009, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

If you were crying about this 3 years ago when it may have been hard to get good groups because there were a small group of people that had tigers and for the most part all knew each other (aside from the koreans), then it would maybe be understandable.

Actually, I think it's harder to start off now.

There's a lot less players than 3 years ago... maybe 1/10th of what it used to be. A lot of the people who play are already high-ranked and that means a) There's less groups for unranked players to join, b) There's much less unranked/low-ranked groups to beat up on the first few maps.

Because of that, it's harder to get fame. You're not going to run into 4 groups of noobs one after another, because they will be weeded out by the 4th map. In fact, a lot of times you'd be in HoH by then because of skips. Full runs are less frequent, so less fame overall.

I also haven't seen anyone hold... say 10 rounds for a very, very long time. In fact, I don't think it's possible, other than by luck (get 5 1v1s in a row, etc) due to stupid victory conditions. I mean, relics in halls is pretty much anet doing /roll 3 to decide the winner. So there's no potential for top players to hit the jackpot.

tl; dr: Getting fame sucks now. At all levels.

newbie_of_doom · May 07, 2009, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Well, personally I do not take any interest in ranks except for that bragging is cool and so are tigers.
However, you have to understand that taking a random PvE'r who, very likely, has little to none PvP (not counting AB, RA or other random stuff) experience into a team is not something anyone experienced would prefer.
Also it is very doubtful that you are, as you are suggesting, a good player, considering what I just said.
You'll have to climb up.^^

EPO Bot · May 07, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

With the HA Zquests it's at least possible to get a crappy random group together once every two hours. If you are lucky, you run into another bad pug and you can actually win. (!!!) Before Zquests i assumed HA was a place where everyone knew each other.

ZenRgy · May 07, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Calling everybody retards but misspelling "elitist" constantly.

russiansteven · May 07, 2009, 09:25 PM // 21:25

You just have to keep searching and be patient.