Curse

Gun Pierson · May 05, 2009, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

OR... like I said, just take your time. You gotta think long term. Sure, if you want storage NOW!!

If you just do the quests gradually over the course of a year, you'll get it with minimal grind.

Well Anet took their time too, 4 years and now an extra one year if you don't want to grind for the heavy pack.

But I'm over it already, the bait didn't work for me. It's good it works for others, they keep the game going.

They should have called it large and heavy grind packs instead of equipment packs as you can put way more grind in it than actual equipment

kazjun · May 06, 2009, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Buying it:

Standing in spamadam/LA power trading, which is boring as shit
Grinding a farm area to get enough gold
Spending the gold you earned

Questing it:

Doing different quests every day
Getting gold
Getting balthazar faction
Getting reputation for titles
Spending a couple of hundred gold for the coins

If you ask me, it's more worth it to quest for the bags than to get the money and buy them.

Also, when will you people realize that doing the quests is not grind unless you do every quest multiple times? Seems that people like throwing around words these days.

If you're at the point that you have multiple armours which then require the 20 packs so your entire stash isn't just armour, then money isn't really a bother. Plus, what do you really have to spend money on now other than fancy new minipets (and my HoM already has over 20)? It's been about 4 years for me, and short of the new vamp sword what else is there to buy unless you run around sticking sup vigors and caster VS's on your mules?

As for questing it, well, if I'd just started GW, then it wouldn't be too bad I guess. But I haven't just started. I've finished all 4 campaigns on all 7 pve characters. And some missions (especially the eotn ones) have been grinded to death. So not exactly different or new. And getting gold for the quests? Please. You'd make that much killing stuff and picking up whites on the way to kill bosses or in the time it takes to do the mission. And faction? Grinded books to death and maxed my eotn factions on my main, and I'd quit before killing myself doing it on my other characters. As for kurz, the amount they give is a drop in the bucket compared to what's required for that title.

The only good quests are the pvp quests. Balth is good (9k for 2 wins, very nice), and would be the only z-quest that's worth doing. The z-keys dwarf any other reward for these quests. And you get to kill people doing it

But other than pvp, the rest IS grind. Well, bosses are okay but the pay for them is barely worth noting. 70 to get all the way to rotscale and kill him? Bah.

You said it yourself, unless you do it multiple times. Well, how else are you going to get it if you actually want to have the bags sometime before next year? And multiple bags? You'll be "playing" till GW2 comes out. No. Not worth it. Pvp and sell the z-keys. Play like you normally do. Then buy the bags off the ones who want to grind.

A11Eur0 · May 06, 2009, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by kazjun

If you're at the point that you have multiple armours which then require the 20 packs so your entire stash isn't just armour, then money isn't really a bother. Plus, what do you really have to spend money on now other than fancy new minipets (and my HoM already has over 20)? It's been about 4 years for me, and short of the new vamp sword what else is there to buy unless you run around sticking sup vigors and caster VS's on your mules?

Stupid argument. 1: I have a ton of armor. That's WHY money is a slight issue. where do you think the money goes? Not everyone ebays, farms all day or powertrades. I need the room just as much as they do but money is not exactly falling off trees for me because I don't grind it out like some others do.

2: Titles. They cost a lot of money. Prestige weapons that still go for 100k+. In order to buy them, you have to either farm or buy ectos. What's the point of the new storage if you can't afford to fill it later?

So that leaves PvP. The only PvP I'm doing is JQ for kurzick faction. Everything else is full of gimmick gank builds and cheap tank crap. I'll pass. There are others like me. We're getting boned. They add all this pve-ish questing crap to help the PvE'ers who actually need the space but the easiest way to get it is repeating PvP quests on new PvP-only characters. What's the deal?

IlikeGW · May 06, 2009, 04:23 AM // 04:23

Well, I just hit the ol' uninstall button again. No more grind for me! Hopefully next update has some actual new content areas, but this is just too much work... especially when the quality of PUG absolutely plummeted after the first few days.

kazjun · May 06, 2009, 05:38 AM // 05:38

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Stupid argument. 1: I have a ton of armor. That's WHY money is a slight issue. where do you think the money goes? Not everyone ebays, farms all day or powertrades. I need the room just as much as they do but money is not exactly falling off trees for me because I don't grind it out like some others do.

2: Titles. They cost a lot of money. Prestige weapons that still go for 100k+. In order to buy them, you have to either farm or buy ectos. What's the point of the new storage if you can't afford to fill it later?

So that leaves PvP. The only PvP I'm doing is JQ for kurzick faction. Everything else is full of gimmick gank builds and cheap tank crap. I'll pass. There are others like me. We're getting boned. They add all this pve-ish questing crap to help the PvE'ers who actually need the space but the easiest way to get it is repeating PvP quests on new PvP-only characters. What's the deal?

As for cash, I been playing for 4 years so I pretty much bought or farmed whatever I wanted already. Not like they've added any shiny new armour or weapon skins for ages. But I guess that's just me.

Oh, and I agree that they've stuffed the amount of z-coins needed badly. But my point is they should have left us an option if they were going to do this. You saying that if you had a choice to buy the bags with plat, that you wouldn't?

own age myname · May 06, 2009, 12:44 PM // 12:44

Didn't we all ask "Hey Anet, we need something to do until GW2 comes out. Give us some NOW!"

They give us something and we *cough* Guru QQBabies *cough* whine. This will keep me occupied with my little time I play Guild Wars. With Nicholas and the run for the equip bags I should have actually something to do for awhile. Quest-are-not-grind.

Definition of grind:

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Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay in order to gain access to other features within the game.

First off this is completely optional. You can go buy a storage pane in the In-Game store if storage is "really killing you". I haven't been to some of the areas you need for the quest in years. When the bounty of Kephet it brought back memories from 2 years ago (the last time I actually killed her).

These are not repetitive because you're doing different things each day. If you feel your going through the same content all over again, and again, it means you're burnt out. If you're burnt out it's time for a break, play some real life. I heard it's fun.

Gli · May 06, 2009, 12:56 PM // 12:56

... the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay ...

I find it non-entertaining to have to perform quests I wasn't planning to do at the time I logged on in order to gain access to large and heavy bags. Because it gets in the way of the entertaining things I was planning to do instead.

Congratulations, you've just proved that it's grind.

Archaic · May 06, 2009, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by Gli

... the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay ...

I find it non-entertaining to have to perform quests I wasn't planning to do at the time I logged on in order to gain access to large and heavy bags. Because it gets in the way of the entertaining things I was planning to do instead.

Congratulations, you've just proved that it's lag.

Lag? I think you mean grind. And when will you people ever be pleased at ANet for once. As soon as they release something, someone on Guru has to start a thread and whine about something they don't like and don't want to do.

If you don't want to grind or buy a bag, fine. But don't expect the game developers to cater to your whims.

Gli · May 06, 2009, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Yeah, I did mean grind. Lag was something I was talking about in game just before posting that. Got my whining mixed up, sorry about that.

MithranArkanere · May 06, 2009, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by own age myname

[...]First off this is completely optional.[...]

No, it is not. Tomes are optional, you get Signets and capture them, or get books by killing monsters.
Scrolls, sweets, alcohol, party stuff, pet levels and unlockings...
ALL of them have alternate ways of unlock that make ZCoins optional for them.

But there is no other way than ZCoins to get equipment bags. They don't drop from monsters or chests, there are no other collectors, they can't be purchased anywhere but ZCoins and since they allow access to 20 slots that are already available to us, but will remain locked away until you equip a bag, they are as optional as our backpacks, pouches and bags. And I don't many people play without all of those.

Tullzinski · May 06, 2009, 03:38 PM // 15:38

In the end this is still recycled content, call it grind, smegma or whatever the hell you want, it still boils down to a new way to do old content that can take a long time to get the best rewards.

Hopefully the next update will have NEW content regardless of how big or small. Have Shiro's wife show up looking for revenge on her husbands killers. She can kidnap Mhenlo and set a trap for you with him as bait. Nothing major can be a one shot quest, hell you can reuse any area in Factions to do it and the reward can be zoins. Better yet make it a zaishen quest and watch it get flooded with people falling over each other to complete it.

poppu16 · May 06, 2009, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

But there is no other way than ZCoins to get equipment bags.

False, they can be bought from others players who did the grind for you, like a service.

But if those bags weren't tradable, I would be agree with you, pure grind

Daesu · May 06, 2009, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by poppu16

False, they can be bought from others players who did the grind for you, like a service.

But if those bags weren't tradable, I would be agree with you, pure grind

Sure if they cost 50 ectos or more, then you have to grind farm to get them from players also. If their prices are high enough, then it is as much of a grind either way.

If I ask for a 100 ectos for my 10-slot bag are you going to pay it?

MithranArkanere · May 07, 2009, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by poppu16

False, they can be bought from others players who did the grind for you, like a service.

But if those bags weren't tradable, I would be agree with you, pure grind

I never count trading as an option. First, you need someone to have the item, and then you need them to sell it.

If I need a tome, I get my lovely boss farming builds and kill a boss 20 times, and get around 1..5 tomes in 40 minutes.
If go I for a tome via ZCoins, that would take me 1 week.
If go for players, first, I must find a seller, something that doesn't always happen, and second I must have the payment, around 2..10K depending on tome profession and seller (they sell low if they are in a hurry).
No one will sell a tome for 10ecto because a lot of people can get those in relatively little time.
But bags take a lot of time for someone that makes the quests with one character and plays around 1..2 hours per day.

Time is cash, and time is what ZCoin rewards do not get into account.
Bags are something to use, and so I don't want to get them all just before I GW2's release.

They are bags! They are useful, not showy!
It's showy stuff the one pricey and slow to get, not useful stuff!
Prestige pets, prestige armors, prestige weapons, titles... those can take time, those are showy!
Basic pets, basic armor, basic weapons, bags, kits, map travel... those must be fast, they are useful!

Buster · May 07, 2009, 02:34 AM // 02:34

What was once a fun game to play has turned into title grind trading game. I made a ton of characters over the years without needing titles and prestige. I played because the game was just fun. Eventhough the Hall of Monuments looks really nice, it is one of the worst things that has happened to Guild Wars. Hopefully Guild Wars 2 does not end up like the original did.

A11Eur0 · May 07, 2009, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by kazjun

As for cash, I been playing for 4 years so I pretty much bought or farmed whatever I wanted already. Not like they've added any shiny new armour or weapon skins for ages. But I guess that's just me.

Oh, and I agree that they've stuffed the amount of z-coins needed badly. But my point is they should have left us an option if they were going to do this. You saying that if you had a choice to buy the bags with plat, that you wouldn't?

There's a difference between paying a set price for them from a merchant and paying ungodly inflated prices that players will be asking once they start coming on the market.

Empress Amarox · May 07, 2009, 05:53 AM // 05:53

tl;dr

Grind is dumb, bags too expensive.

own age myname · May 07, 2009, 12:17 PM // 12:17

We've all lived without the bag for 4 years. Atleast we have the chance to get them now, right?

Red Sonya · May 07, 2009, 12:44 PM // 12:44

I saw first heavy bag for sale yesterday or at least someone acting like he had one and saying the c/o was 270e. I laughed my socks off. But, thinking about it the really rich or those that duped and got a ton of ectos out of it will probably have stacks and stacks to trade for them at really no cost. So for awhile these kinds of rediculous prices will be around I guess. Personally for me 10 slot bags on every character will do just fine and that's going to give me 100 more slots once all the grinding is done. A bag a week is pretty easy to get.

Amon Warrior · May 07, 2009, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

But bags take a lot of time for someone that makes the quests with one character and plays around 1..2 hours per day.

That is one main issue for me. At this moment in time, I wouldn't stand to immediately repeat the same quest with different characters. That is grind. My playing level has been about two hours per time and not everyday.

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Time is cash, and time is what ZCoin rewards do not get into account.
Bags are something to use, and so I don't want to get them all just before I GW2's release.

They are bags! They are useful, not showy!
It's showy stuff the one pricey and slow to get, not useful stuff!
Prestige pets, prestige armors, prestige weapons, titles... those can take time, those are showy!
Basic pets, basic armor, basic weapons, bags, kits, map travel... those must be fast, they are useful!

That's how I feel about this.

A way to cater to different types of player would be to have a basic bag available at the merchant and upgrade runes via zcoins. That would eliminate the sense of waste and allow everyone to progress at their own pace. Right now, you buy a bag and then you have to start all over to get more. I'm a casual player. What @#$%& time do I have to collect @#$%& bags and zcoins?!?

Having different pack sizes, being increasingly difficult to get, is dumb in my non-hardcore player perspective. That, in my view, should be left for flashy, showy stuff. ArenaNet used to do it that way.

I've been playing GW casually for the last 2 years. Getting the packs sooner would not be a reason for me to lose interest in the game. Quite the opposite. Being able to upgrade the packs would've made a lot more sense to me.

Having equipment packs as the main attraction for the Zaishen coins and being that expensive is a sad thing to witness...