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Redvex · May 11, 2009, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

5k tarnish haven run from where is what i want to know.

Gunnars Hold

Gigashadow · May 11, 2009, 07:33 AM // 07:33

I wonder how many of the outraged people on this thread torrent their music, Fraps, Photoshop, and various other things they want, for the same reason as in the original post (because they don't want to pay up).

Lucia · May 11, 2009, 07:40 AM // 07:40

I'd say, for the same reason Bill Clinton did what he did with Monika Levinsky - "because he can" (that's his quote).

Anyway, if you take people's word, there's always a chance they will scam you and you need to take that into consideration when doing business.

If you would like to prevent being scammed, it is not impossible, but requires a bit of effort - you need to take collateral from them before you run them (like a customized armor piece or 2) and then trade it back to them in return for the payment when you have completed the run. Take a look at this thread - http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10371761 if you want to elaborate.

enter_the_zone · May 11, 2009, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Marketplace won't stop providers of services from getting scammed.

That depends on how it was set up. If payment occured via a third party neutral intermediary, it would. Basically, paypal for GW. And yes, that opens a whole nest of problems of it's own.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucia

I'd say, for the same reason Bill Clinton did what he did with Monika Levinsky - "because he can" (that's his quote).

Anyway, if you take people's word, there's always a chance they will scam you and you need to take that into consideration when doing business.

If you would like to prevent being scammed, it is not impossible, but requires a bit of effort - you need to take collateral from them before you run them (like a customized armor piece or 2) and then trade it back to them in return for the payment when you have completed the run. Take a look at this thread - http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10371761 if you want to elaborate.

Yep, I used to run Elona's Reach, and would use that to get around those who "forgot" to bring the money. They'd bitch to high heaven, but at the end they'd do it.

Lucifer PVP · May 11, 2009, 07:27 PM // 19:27

simple... darwin

http://www.break.com/usercontent/200...it-451653.html

Junato · May 11, 2009, 11:48 PM // 23:48

In response to link above..
Oh My Beegeesus... Do people actually like to be dumb?

To respond to the OP. We will never fully understand why people scam.

Pistachio · May 12, 2009, 01:29 AM // 01:29

It's a shame when people don't play in the spirit of the game, and end up ruining it for others. I know how you feel. Once upon a time I ran a couple players from Ascalon to the desert and they didn't pay up. Waste of my time, and now I have to be a hard ass with perfectly honest people because of a couple fools who can't handle themselves.

Oh well.

It certainly is a reality that will never go away, but in my experience they are by far the minority. It would be nice if they weren't there at all, but the negativity they bring to the game can be avoided with a little common sense and caution.

dark4190 · May 12, 2009, 07:47 AM // 07:47

So when I'm running a dungeon, such as Shards of Orr, and 2 of the 5 people don't pay the 10k should I:
a) give money back and leave, wasting all our times but sticking it to the scammer.
b) wait till the scammers leave or pay up
c) finish the dungeon and just hope no one gets the idea 'they didn't pay, so I won't either'

This has always bugged me. I normally just try and complete the dungeon because 30k is better than 50k. but I hate to let the scammer get his way. Sometimes I'll leave a group alive blocking the pathway to the end chest (drag them away, have people run by, then die in the group and rebirth out to avoid carrying aggro) but dying at all makes you look like a noob runner, even if it was intentional.

PS. Permasin scammers suck the most.

Reason · May 12, 2009, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

+1 Comment anyone? But seriously, anyone who scams has psychological issues, emotional issues, or are born and raised to it. I'm not trying to fit anybody into a sterotype, but it's just a fact. My father has a saying "Poor People have Poor Ways"

Your father sounds like a redneck dirt bag.

Cebe · May 12, 2009, 08:11 AM // 08:11

Some people will do anything to get something for nothing...Is this not why you threaten to leave them in the middle of a pack of drooling Raptors unless they pay half or all the cash part-way through the run, so it at least secures some money for your time?

Empress Amarox · May 12, 2009, 01:29 PM // 13:29

People scam because it is profitable. Duh?

Junato · May 12, 2009, 10:39 PM // 22:39

I have came to the realization that look at how many people there are in the world. Do you expect everyone to be honest? Then compare that into GW.

R.Shayne · May 13, 2009, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Picture is worth a bunch of words. This is Oola's Lab run where a person attempted to scam me on the last level. If you notice I returned the gold for all those that attempted to pay and left without clearing the level.

While I was doing a free re-run for one of the people that attempted to pay I got these.

Requirement 9 max inscribable storm daggers. I don't believe in Karma but dang. The guy and his guild also insisted on tipping me for the run too.