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Martin Alvito · May 14, 2009, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I still don't see the harm in this one, gang.

With Champ points it was obvious: low ranks of the title were diluted as signals of experience and small numbers of players that controlled the limited supply of available 1200+ guilds amassed great in-game wealth.

Intentional draw in a GvG/HvH AT: someone potentially gets cheated out of a top 16 berth.

FA/JQ/RA leecher: imbalances teams, leading to /ragequit, dishonor or just plain wasted time.

Here the HA team *deliberately* weakens itself in exchange for in-game cash from a lesser player. If anything, this makes every other team in HA better off. A strong team has been weakened, improving everyone else's chances of beating them.

Further, maybe noobs wouldn't be such noobs if they had the opportunity to run with a functional team and see firsthand how dysfunctional their noob team really is.

Finally, HA rank had already been ruined as a signal of prowess by three things - skilless grind builds (eg: IWAY), 48 months in release permitting even incompetent grinders to have high rank, and the dilution of the talent pool disproportionately rewarding recent HA play.

How is a fame farming service a problem, any more so than players getting run through missions is a problem? Would someone from the opposing camp please explain this to me?

Jensy · May 14, 2009, 07:33 PM // 19:33

I... don't even know what to say other than 'fail less'. So, what, you buy your fame so you can get into groups. They find out you suck balls, because you didn't take the time to actually learn to play the hard way and boot your ass anyway. Fail.

Also, anyone needing to be AFK for vanquishing and HM missions needs to /uninstall.

enter_the_zone · May 14, 2009, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Fame "farming" doesn't violate ANY reasonable interpretation of the EULA, since they still play, they just pay in game money to play with better people.

Maybe if you could get a decent group without doing this, so you could actually learn something from players better than you, this wouldn't be so much of an "issue"...

By this logic, they should be banning people who sell invitations to trimmed guilds, it's exactly the same thing ie. paying to be in the presence of those who are better than you..

Pathetic Anet, as usual GG.

I don't suppose the Community Manager would bother to respond to the community concerns regarding Anet's interaction with said community in this regard.....might be, you know, doing the job. Which is something Anet seem more and more bound and determined not to do anymore.

Martin Alvito · May 14, 2009, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by pansy malfoy

I... don't even know what to say other than 'fail less'.

While I completely agree with your sentiments, banning the sellers of such services doesn't follow. The community should rightly heap all the scorn and derision at its command upon the purchasers of a fame farming service. Ridiculing incompetents with a tiger/phoenix after their incompetence is discovered is fair game. They deserve it. Same thing for purchasers of gold cape trim.

The argument that "you must have fame to get groups" is just wrong. There have been plenty of times when I, or others, called on the r4-5 friend that was online over the r9-11 friend, simply because that player could do the available job better. You don't get groups with a tiger or a phoenix. You get them by networking and a reputation for solid play.

There are only two ways to break into those networks: have an "in" already that is a friend AND back up the invite with your play, or suck it up and put the effort in to build your own network from scratch. Rank impresses no one. So who cares if people buy it?

DreamWind · May 14, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

As much as I think fame farming services are sad (alongside buying of gold capes, champ point farming, etc), it is clearly not a bannable offense currently. The only way you can even argue so is if you actually change the meaning of what the EULA says.

Argue that it SHOULD be bannable and you might be getting somewhere (even though I would probably disagree with that as well), but Anet clearly screwed up here IMO.

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Name one person in history that got admitted to an ivy league school because they had the money and not intelligence.

And even though this off topic, let me address this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8drtjtbN22c

This isn't even including famous people, who can basically go anywhere they want because the schools want to be able to say that X famous person went here.

Jensy · May 14, 2009, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

While I completely agree with your sentiments, banning the sellers of such services doesn't follow. The community should rightly heap all the scorn and derision at its command upon the purchasers of a fame farming service. Ridiculing incompetents with a tiger/phoenix after their incompetence is discovered is fair game. They deserve it. Same thing for purchasers of gold cape trim.

The argument that "you must have fame to get groups" is just wrong. There have been plenty of times when I, or others, called on the r4-5 friend that was online over the r9-11 friend, simply because that player could do the available job better. You don't get groups with a tiger or a phoenix. You get them by networking and a reputation for solid play.

There are only two ways to break into those networks: have an "in" already that is a friend AND back up the invite with your play, or suck it up and put the effort in to build your own network from scratch. Rank impresses no one. So who cares if people buy it?

Nah, you're right. I just wasn't clear in my statement. I was trying to think like the average joe fame buyer, who doesn't know these things *g*

Though, I guess it depends on who you ask. There was a thread elsewhere on guru here about this very issue (getting into HA groups) where the opinions varied wildly.

Still, meh, I don't think there's any real crime going on. Unless you count failing @ pvp

Bof · May 14, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

They might have gotten him for the real world trading like they do the gold sellers who are retarded.

Think about this after 13 wins you would have to pay 120k per win @ 3k ea fame. HoH doesnt last that long and if you had to pay 120k after each win then it looks like your trading gold for real life money. They honestly dont care where you are if you are trading large amounts of money quickly.

Ok.. so you pay after the group occurs a loss. The amount of Z-Keys or Ecto you are trading for nothing on the other side looks the same.

Yes, I understand that you are paying for fame, but honestly ANet cannot know this. They look at it like someone has paid for gold.

RA sync is match manipulation obviously because then it is no longer random.
Champ point for they sync to who they play to some extent.

HB resign (isnt banned) obvious match, ladder, mAT manipulation......WTF

garethporlest18 · May 14, 2009, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart

Anyway, to the OP - I am sorry you got banned, but I honestly don't think selling fame should be allowed. I've never bought fame (which I can prove by my measly 4 fame) and have never considered it. I figured if I wanted it I would work for it, which is the 'correct' way to do it. Even if it is a pain in the azz to get into a group when you're not ranked (which is partly why I despise pvp). Selling things like this just shouldn't be 'ok'. If you want a title, work for it!

Technically these people are working for it. They worked for the money, and they can't just sit in the match and do nothing. They're paying to get accepted into good groups that they would not otherwise so their chance of winning is greater. They still have to play and be somewhat good. So they are still earning it, but they are doing it smarter and more efficiently than someone who'd just PUG and take forever when it doesn't have to take that long.

Sarevok Thordin · May 14, 2009, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Paying to get into a good group is really just saying "I suck, do the hard work for me because I can't"

garethporlest18 · May 14, 2009, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Paying to get into a good group is really just saying "I suck, do the hard work for me because I can't"

Or it's saying I don't know anyone who PvPs, therefore I cannot get a group who wins, so I'm going to do this to help me out. That's how HA is, you don't win efficiently unless you know people. It's a club you can't get in unless you have money or friends.

Inde · May 14, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

Sorry, I haven't been through all 90 posts but has ANYONE else heard of a case of being banned for this?

Edit: Nevermind, I see this was addressed back on page 3. One user amongst millions has been banned for this. I do think there is certainly more to the story (such as a lot of bans before this). Maybe Anet was indeed just looking for an excuse to perma this user, but clearly they were not banned for just fame farming. Unless we hear of another legit case I think it's safe to say that no one else is going to be banned for this.

Black Metal · May 14, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53

I respect your view on this Inde; however I think both of us would like to get an official policy statement from someone like Regina....whose job it is

Bof · May 14, 2009, 10:58 PM // 22:58

If you go back a couple of pages on this there was another user who was banned for it.

I think since we do not have all the facts here: its the way on how they are getting paid that is making them get banned.

Pew Pew Peace · May 15, 2009, 08:55 AM // 08:55

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Originally Posted by Bof

If you go back a couple of pages on this there was another user who was banned for it.

I think since we do not have all the facts here: its the way on how they are getting paid that is making them get banned.

1.Again this is same post,old one was closed couse of spam and after 2 weeks trying to get account back i was wondering to post this warning to prevent this kind of incidents.

2.Anet banned me exactly for "Illegal Fame Service",and they have record of this incident.

3.No-one before was banned for this service!No-one!

4.I was banned once for 71 hours,for spam.(If spam is rolling in hoh,ok)

RotteN · May 15, 2009, 09:21 AM // 09:21

Would be nice to get a reply from Regina or Martin concerning this matter.

Honestly, if he did get banned solely for his fame-farming-service, it is pretty ridiculous. Anet seems to be pretty ban-happy as of late. Or I'm just seeing more people complain about wierd bans.

fusa · May 15, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05

The OP's story couldn't be any more full of holes. First off he originally posted here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10369658 as neik2004 (all posts refering to himself as the one being banned) then here he has a large equipment pack for sale (kind of hard since he was banned before it existed) http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10373912 From these posts (before ban) http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...30#post4582630 and after ban, today at 7am eastern, both are currently online :

I guess Regina must have stayed after work last night to remove their bans....

Wish Swiftdeath · May 15, 2009, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Is this a bit of game theory?

:P

GW Economy lol

Ozric · May 15, 2009, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Black Metal

I respect your view on this Inde; however I think both of us would like to get an official policy statement from someone like Regina....whose job it is

It seems that garethporlest18 would have you believe that this too should be purchasable with ingame money.

GourangaPizza · May 15, 2009, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

IN EULA :

"While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching."

ArenaNet should ban themselves because clearly they manipulate a match by banning OP while he is GvGing in rated tournaments, resulting in team advantage to his opponents.

In fact nobody should be banned while participating in any forms of PvP.

fusa · May 15, 2009, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by GourangaPizza

ArenaNet should ban themselves because clearly they manipulate a match by banning OP while he is GvGing in rated tournaments, resulting in team advantage to his opponents. In fact nobody should be banned while participating in any forms of PvP.

He obviously wasn't banned since he is still logging into the game. What Anet should do is ban the people stupid enough to make these threads, and the ones ignorant enough to believe their bullshit.