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fog_of_redoubt · Jan 25, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

I hope you see what I am getting at. I am not trying to make everyone "calm down". I am trying to provide a point of contention among the masses that seem to be accepting this as fact. If I see some shred of evidence, I would love to join the hype. I am not trolling, I am looking for something more than internet heebeejeebies (technical term). I trust the blank box of personality that is the internet about as far as I can trust to beat it in a race across the country.

So what constitutes a "shred" of evidence to you?

Numerous unrelated people have found the text, it seems to be "fresh" based on some of the specifics. There seems to also be multiple languages.

If you think all of this is internet heebeejeebies, I would suggest to you that everything they have posted is verifiable BY YOU. If you are too lazy to do that then don't claim there is no proof.

So, you aren't going to look for yourself.

You don't believe what has been posted.

What do you need as proof? Confirmation from ANet? That isn't proof, that is confirmation. Do you need someone to invite you to their house so you can see the dat file for yourself? Do you need to see the marketplace in action? Not proof either, then it is fact.

Fril Estelin · Jan 25, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

If I see some shred of evidence

If you don't see why a string in the .dat file is a proof of something, then I think you don't know enough about computing. I'm not going to give you a crashing course here and put this thread on the wrong rails. Read the "post what you found in gwdat!" thread instead.

Aerian_Skybane · Jan 25, 2008, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Fog: If I said I was made of cake, does that prove anything. If then someone named IAMINTERNET said, "yep, he is made of cake", would you be confident in my "fact"?

I want some sort of evidence. I have been throwing around the word "proof" incorrectly, I well correct for that by being as semantically correct as possible by using "evidence" instead. This all is based about what people have TYPED. I can type anything. I am a piece of cake typing on a keyboard. See?

A screenshot is not AS maleable, and multiple screenshots from various sources would help me want to "believe". I do in fact WANT to be convinced. Gaile would be the best, but that hasn't happened yet. Please, realize that I am not trying to debunk this, because guess what (oh and Fril you are not being left out of this post for sure), I can't get into the .dat as of now or probably ever will get the chance/time to. I am technically feasible to. Sony claims they have a 1/4th inch thick LCD panel. I believe this because I saw it working and pictures to go along with the statement. Anyone who has done any real research knows how this works. It really helps your position when you provide some sort of backing evidence other than, "I totally saw it, trust me", no matter how many people agree.

For example, remember the insanity of the Polar Bear? People like Zinger were claiming the screenshot was fake because he/she "knew" the pixels were off. Doesn't he feel kind of dumb? Multiple people making a statement unverified is not a reason to "prove" something (hate using that word but it suffices here).

The findings in the .dat thread are excellent, they post up the art, which although not verifyable, is some sort of evidence. The text stuff is harder, trust me, I know quite a bit of computers so I would say it is, but a screen shot of the process, the converted text file, other than copy paste would be exceedingly useful. I don't need a step by step, thats for personal verification, I just want some evidence so that it can be refuted.

If I am still not making sense to you people, than I have no clue where your heads are at, PM me from now on to try to "enlighten" me on theoretical research provisions.

Silly Warrior · Jan 25, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Because of the evidence found, provided, and Gaile talks, we can only assume this feature is coming very soon/or is in development as we speak.
-Gaile Response
-.Dat Evidence
-Multiple Languages
-Updates that could only have been made a month ago.

All of this points to it. Lets just see what happens.

Balkoth · Jan 25, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

How could you say this is a hoax?
Do you think the people that posted this lied?
Or do you not believe their conclusions?

I doubt this would be entirely fabricated, but the speculation provided by the community is irrelevent to what was found.

Someone found something. They tell you about what they found and they give you what they think it means. I don't doubt infomation people claimed to have found, I doubt the individual conclustions based off such a small portion of the information found.

Hoax? You think this is a lie? like the TerrorShield?
Scepticism does not involve denial.

Antheus · Jan 25, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

I want some sort of evidence. I have been throwing around the word "proof" incorrectly, I well correct for that by being as semantically correct as possible by using "evidence" instead. This all is based about what people have TYPED. I can type anything. I am a piece of cake typing on a keyboard. See?

You're on to us.

It's all a conspiracy.

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I know quite a bit of computers so I would say it is, but a screen shot of the process, the converted text file, other than copy paste would be exceedingly useful

And if I said that blood runs through my veins, would you ask me to cut open my guts to prove it?

Don't believe anything in this thread. And in the old days, you'll be able to chuckle at all the morons that fell for all the nonsense in here. Won't that be an achievement to be proud of.

And if market never is added - so what? GW isn't that serious a business.

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A screenshot is not AS maleable, and multiple screenshots from various sources would help me want to "believe".

Yes, the world economy depends on this proof. We need a trilateral party to assemble in Area 51, where a team of 17 international scientists will publish proof in triplicates. It'll then be delived via 10 different trucks and 5 helicopters with armed transport in double-sealed boxes to your place of residence. And world leaders will rejoice knowing you have accepted their offer of proof.

Seriously....

Aerian_Skybane · Jan 25, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Balkoth

How could you say this is a hoax?
Do you think the people that posted this lied?
Or do you not believe their conclusions?

I doubt this would be entirely fabricated, but the speculation provided by the community is irrelevent to what was found.

Someone found something. They tell you about what they found and they give you what they think it means. I don't doubt infomation people claimed to have found, I doubt the individual conclustions based off such a small portion of the information found.

Hoax? You think this is a lie? like the TerrorShield?
Scepticism does not involve denial.

Balkoth, I have never accused anyone of lying. Skepticism is not the same as accusations. I have not said anyone has lied. There is a line I will not cross, I was skeptical about the polar bear, but I never thought the originator was lying. If I thought they were lying, I would have to have my own evidence to back up my accusation. I am in the position to be convinced, not in the position to point fingers, except at those who blindly follow a hope that has not been fully fleshed out.

If you read my posts you will notice that trend of my thoughts. I am naturally a skeptical person, I hate the idea of a sheepish fanboy. If you convince me, then I am very silent and look to the best. I have no ill intention versus the .dat surfers, I love the .dat thread to be honest, they find some cool stuff. Text is just harder to provide evidence for since it is so easily manipulated.

I doubt it could be that hard to take a screen pic of the work these surfers are doing. I haven't seen a valid argument as to WHY that shouldn't happen, only arguments that apparently I am a bad person for providing a valid question...

EDIT: Anth: Prove to me the Denver Airport ISNT the headquarters of the NWO! Creepy mural = unilateral proof of evil HQ! Vents from the ground! MUST BE!

Dylananimus · Jan 25, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

Aerian, it's probably best you go look for yourself, or wait for confirmation of the supposed 'marketplace' from offical sources. Failing either of those two happening, I'd suggest the best option for you is to cease reading the thread

I mean, this is all just specualtion on supposed strings or whatever they are. If they're not real...then we've lost nothing. If they are real...we have something good to look forward to.

endlessly asking for proof seems a little pointless when people can only give their evidence via means that could be manipulated. You ask for screenshots, but screenshots can be made to look like whatever a person wants quite easily. I think your only real 'proof' will be the day ANET says "Hey, look at our new market."

And let's all skeptically hope for that day to one day come

Antheus · Jan 25, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Oh for crying out loud...

Seeing is believing

Aerian_Skybane · Jan 25, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Dylananimus

Aerian, it's probably best you go look for yourself, or wait for confirmation of the supposed 'marketplace' from offical sources. Failing either of those two happening, I'd suggest the best option for you is to cease reading the thread

I mean, this is all just specualtion on supposed strings or whatever they are. If they're not real...then we've lost nothing. If they are real...we have something good to look forward to.

endlessly asking for proof seems a little pointless when people can only give their evidence via means that could be manipulated. You ask for screenshots, but screenshots can be made to look like whatever a person wants quite easily. I think your only real 'proof' will be the day ANET says "Hey, look at our new market."

And let's all skeptically hope for that day to one day come

I check this thread for Gaile-comments

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Again, I am skeptical, but to be honest I am optimistically skeptical. And I said a screenshot is not perfect, but it is better than text. Hopefully its not some massively organized hoax, and I would heavily doubt it if there were a few people on here giving SSs.

I am not reiterating my request for evidence either without instigators, I am merely protection my POV from others who seem to rather target my skepticism than my request.

EDIT: Thanks Anth, but clearly you aqcuired that using Men In Black wearing a tin foil hat...

Or did the Reptillians help you with that one

Shawn The Divine · Jan 25, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Oh for crying out loud...

Seeing is believing

This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.

Aerian_Skybane · Jan 25, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Shawn The Divine

This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.

Where is Zinger and his expert pixel analysis when you need it? Thanks Anth, that really makes me more excited.

KANE OG · Jan 25, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

Where is Zinger and his expert pixel analysis when you need it? Thanks Anth, that really makes me more excited.

He said the Mini Polar Bear pic was shopped.....

/fail

KANE

CyberMesh0 · Jan 25, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

*pops popcorn and jumps on the couch* this thread should be fun to watch since these strings may exist, but they are JUST STRINGS. That's it.

Aerian_Skybane · Jan 25, 2008, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by KANE OG

He said the Mini Polar Bear pic was shopped.....

/fail

KANE

Reading above posts to garner a sense of context for the win!

You = fail

Scarlett Romanov · Jan 25, 2008, 10:32 PM // 22:32

I was watching X-Play (By accident, I swear!) and they had an interview with someone that works with NCSoft. He said something about them implementing some type of auction house into Tabula Rasa. Anyone know anything about their auction system? Whatever it is they may be implementing into into GW as well. May be worth looking into if someone has the horrid game.

flyinhigh · Jan 25, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

gaile has been wrong about so much sh!t its pathetic, why do you keep insisting that she knows all?

Aerian_Skybane · Jan 25, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

An actually constructive post that has nothing to do with accountability of .dat readers! Warning: Your potential desire to flame me may not relate to your previous conceptions of my arguments!

I was just thinking of a potential flaw with the Marketplace. At least to me it would be frustrating, especially when taking into account the "fully" accessible nature of what it seems to be.

When posting something up for sale, would the buying party see your chars name? Is your name attached to it at all. I could see this easily being abused for PMing people through the use of bots, gold farmers, etc etc.

To me, the fix would be to have anonymous postings. Would having the postings anonymous be a problem?

I don't see a reason why not, since the server doesn't obviously need a PM link or visual confirmation of who you are, but does anyone else see a problem with that?

WinterSnowblind · Jan 25, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

An actually constructive post that has nothing to do with accountability of .dat readers! Warning: Your potential desire to flame me may not relate to your previous conceptions of my arguments!

I was just thinking of a potential flaw with the Marketplace. At least to me it would be frustrating, especially when taking into account the "fully" accessible nature of what it seems to be.

When posting something up for sale, would the buying party see your chars name? Is your name attached to it at all. I could see this easily being abused for PMing people through the use of bots, gold farmers, etc etc.

To me, the fix would be to have anonymous postings. Would having the postings anonymous be a problem?

I don't see a reason why not, since doesn't obviously need a PM link or visual confirmation of who you are, but does anyone else see a problem with that?

That's something I had thought about as well actually, I'd prefer if it were a completely anonymous system, or at least with the option to hide your name.

WLlama · Jan 25, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Romanov

I was watching X-Play (By accident, I swear!) and they had an interview with someone that works with NCSoft. He said something about them implementing some type of auction house into Tabula Rasa. Anyone know anything about their auction system? Whatever it is they may be implementing into into GW as well. May be worth looking into if someone has the horrid game.

Last time I looked at Tabula Rasa, the Military Surplus store was more like the WoW auction houses in theory. In practice, since they still haven't implemented bidding (items are buy-out only at the moment) to my knowledge, I suppose it could be very similar to the Xunlai House system for now with one caveat; Tabula Rasa has multiple shards so they can subdivide the server load. That being said, I haven't played TR since beta and they were just floating the idea at the time. It was only implemented post-release. If you want a bullet-point rundown you can look at one of the wikis. (Example: http://tabularasa.wikia.com/wiki/Military_Surplus)

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowBlind

That's something I had thought about as well actually, I'd prefer if it were a completely anonymous system, or at least with the option to hide your name.

I completely agree on this one. From the hypothetical system that has been discussed here, it sounds like all item and gold exchanges will occur without buyer-seller interaction. Without a need for feedback, I see no reason to list a name as long as the entire item description is listed in the Xunlai House (and not some truncated [Party Search style] user-defined title that could be, for example, "Most AWESOMEST item EVAR!!! Buy buy buy!" for a 3g collector item).