Curse

Regulus X · May 22, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Getting mad at people in RA for having bad builds is a lot like going to the slums and getting mad at people living there for being poor. It's just where they dwell.

That's why I'm 411ing tha President (aka: Live Team) to rectify this issue and turn tha 'slums' into a beautiful park where family & kids can play freely.

Eragon Zarroc: Telling me not to speak out when something's obviously wrong is like asking me to sew my @$$hole shut while these abusers keep feeding me & feeding me & feeding me. *It's NOT going to happen* And me being just as childish in return is only me applying the most ancient principle 'Eye for an Eye, Toothe for a Tooth'.. What goes around, comes around! The say that the Live Team fixes this abuse is the day I cease being this childish, immature player that abusers have made me become because of their manipulatory ways.

Additionally, where's my verbal abuse?! HUH?! Where did I curse anyone out on this thread? Where did I say anything to cause grief to anyone on this topic? Skim slower, or infact, READ CLOSER, please because I fail to see where I demeaned anybody.

And if everything was that 'simple' as you claim, there wouldn't be global warming, world hunger, disease, or a need for Dishonorable Combatant/Report Systems in Guild Wars!

Chocobo1 · May 22, 2009, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Huh wait what? I love RA because of the crappy builds, jesus It's like one of the few places you can just jump in and have fun I don't wanna lose that! I just want the /reporting feature to lose some of its power / be taken away.

Alleji · May 23, 2009, 12:23 AM // 00:23

I don't play that much RA, but I never really got any abuse in it. Some flaming? Calling each other noobs? Sure. Something that resulted in a dishonorable hex? Nope. (Well, unless I raged a couple times).

Wish Swiftdeath · May 23, 2009, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Thank you for starting this thread.

Random Arena is on the declined when I stop playing there, It is in the gutter now. Okay, so you caught me playing in Random Arena, I could only stand it for 2+ hours, while trying to fill up my Zaishen Menagerie a few days ago, the task turns tedious and boring, so I went to RA, then, .... unfortunately, events and happenings reminds me why I had left it in the first place.

In the 2+ hours that I have temporary return to RA, I did not speak one word, because you know what that would result into, a flame and report war. Even when I do not respond, I get abused. Beside the abuse, in the 2+ hours, every battle I enter is unsuccessful to get to the end of the battle in a sportsmen like fashion. At least 2, I said 2, players would /resign on entering the game and forces the other players to do so, (now you know where the abuse comes from even when I do not respond) because I refuse to /resign.

I proposed this once again:
NON-CONSECUTIVE 5 WINS gets one gladiator points, if you get consecutive 5 wins, meaning without a lost battle in between 5 battle that you have entered and won consecutively, and not 5 consecutive battle with the same players, then you get the bonus as if you were in a streak wins (like what we have now).

When I say non-consecutive, it means that every player is return to the Waiting Area/Random Arena Island after every battle regardless if they win or loose.

Reasoning behind this:
When non-consecutive 5 wins is achieve, We reduce the needs of players ever having to talk to another players in the short one time battle - hence less verbal abuse. We reduce the needs for players to use the /resign command to try to get into a "good" group as according to their own standard. If its a one time battle, you better play it to the best of your ability or you will be spending time entering battle the whole day without ever playing one game, (that's what happen during my 2+ hours, players kept /resigning, I've thus wasted my 2+ hours clicking enter battle only to get verbal abuse and returning to the Random Arena Waiting Island).

Other possible changes if the above is not to be:
1) Limit the use of /resign to once every 10 battle.
2) Ramdonmising the Random Arena, If we win the battle, we get to the next map/battle as we do now, BUT you get group up with another 3 new players (who have also won battle) other then the one you have now. So that we still get consecutive wins only with different players.
3) Impose a Penalty in the form of deduction from Gladiator Title Track, for instant 10 gladiator points if you verbally abuse another player in the game. or etc, as Arena Net sees fit.

Imposing a restriction, limitation and penalty is a good way to curb the population bad behaviour since we won't do it ourselves.

Quickly scanned through the thread and found this, don't mean to be horrible but these are terrible ideas. If implemented RA would just turn into a crapshoot (more so than it already is).

Shadow of Light · May 23, 2009, 04:21 AM // 04:21

I must say I've never been 'voted off the island', so to speak. I might have been reported once or twice for various reasons but never kicked out of a game.

I love RA, but am turned off constantly by the abuse.

I've been abused for playing poorly, abused for playing great, abused for supporting team-mates with builds that other team-mates see fit to ridicule, abused for daring to bring a PvE character into PvP, and the list goes on to the point that whatever you do and however you play, someone out there will always find or invent a reason to put you down. I am not innocent either... I do make the occasional snide remark when I get irritated (and that's usually the time to log out for a while and calm down).

The thing about playing with random people is that you'll inevitably run into nasty individuals, or those who are just having a bad day, and after a while that'll rub off on you. I have been tempted more than once to avoid the issue by turning off all my chats and setting my status to Do Not Disturb while pvping, but then I'd miss the occasional awesome people you can run into, and I have to admit there have been some fantastic games that I really enjoyed due to the company I was in, where whether win or lose, continue into TA or break up after 10 wins, everyone was being 'excellent to one another'.

It's been about a week since my last RA match, in which I (playing monk) was abused by a team-mate for not keeping him at a level of health he was happy with for the duration of the match. After we won, I said I was doing my best under the circumstances before logging out.

I'll go back in eventually... and hopefully play with some of the aforementioned awesome crowd next time

Chicken Ftw · May 23, 2009, 04:59 AM // 04:59

Stay out of American districts for RA, unless you're either A) running something retarded and will thus fit in, or B) you enjoy the abuse.

Be prepared for verbal abuse though if you're in Korean or some such district where "good" players go for better chances of less shit teams and you suck.

All in all, people take RA too seriously. Farming scrubs for easy glad pts is srs bsns mirite?

Wish Swiftdeath · May 23, 2009, 06:13 AM // 06:13

PvE'rs like grinding hence they like the glad point track (though i admit im a bit of an addict too).

Unless you know the people in person it's sure as hell that you're going to get flamed online, just suck it up or dish it back.

Not really anything more to say

pumpkin pie · May 23, 2009, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

Quickly scanned through the thread and found this, don't mean to be horrible but these are terrible ideas. If implemented RA would just turn into a crapshoot (more so than it already is).

You seems to stand by a set of very good reason as to why those ideas are bad. Might you try to enlighten us with the reasons? I am curious.

Those ideas of mine do not change RA play, except that players do not get to play with the same 3 other players into 2-10 wins before they all quit and start the cycle again, the rest stay the same.

Wish Swiftdeath · May 23, 2009, 12:15 PM // 12:15

For starters: At least with a set team till you lose it still depends on your skill.

If you reset the teams every round then it just comes down to luck, glad titles will just mean whoever got luckiest with teams.

Sarevok Thordin · May 23, 2009, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Given that RA is open to *ANYONE* with NO requirements to play (Like rank), the level of retards is going to be HIGH. Especially disgruntled people who have a generally bad outlook of the PvP community with elitism encountered in HA, that is if they ever get past RA.

Anon-e-mouse · May 23, 2009, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

That's why I'm 411ing tha President (aka: Live Team) to rectify this issue and turn tha 'slums' into a beautiful park where family & kids can play freely.

Only problem with this is that the people who lived in those slums still have to live somewhere. Telling them to move out, bulldozing their homes, just so you can have a park is not really fair on them, especially as they are really not wanted by any other part of the community (elitism ftl).

Random Arenas, for the most part is exactly what it says on the tin, RANDOM!

pumpkin pie · May 23, 2009, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

For starters: At least with a set team till you lose it still depends on your skill.

If you reset the teams every round then it just comes down to luck, glad titles will just mean whoever got luckiest with teams.

Skills in RA is LOL, besides its already depends on luck in RA now a days, why do you think players /resign all the time when they don't see a monk in the team?

You want skillful players, try something else, definitely not killing noobs to gain gladiator points.

Regulus X · May 25, 2009, 05:32 AM // 05:32

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

Only problem with this is that the people who lived in those slums still have to live somewhere. Telling them to move out, bulldozing their homes, just so you can have a park is not really fair on them, especially as they are really not wanted by any other part of the community (elitism ftl).

Random Arenas, for the most part is exactly what it says on the tin, RANDOM!

Tell them to stop being slumbags and get a job, find an apartment, efficiency, shelter, etc.. so that they aren't sleeping in the streets or alleyways. I don't like 1337ism either, but 1337ism really has no bearing on this subject matter. Random Arenas is random, but fun games need to be FUN as well, not this frustrating bullsh!t abusefest we now call RA atm..

jonnieboi05 · May 25, 2009, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Lol if you think the /report feature is bad then you should try out JQ (either side will do) and play as a monk or a spirit spammer and keep a quarry from them (the opposing team) for the majority of the match. Doing so will result in an AUTOMATIC dishonorable hex due to "leeching" because of the new "not moving for more than 50% of the match" "buff" Arena.Net recently implemented. The /report -> leeching feature needs to be removed-- simple as that. It's turned out to be nothing more than a tool to grief others, and, that is a fact.

~LeNa~

Anon-e-mouse · May 25, 2009, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Tell them to stop being slumbags and get a job, find an apartment, efficiency, shelter, etc.. so that they aren't sleeping in the streets or alleyways. I don't like 1337ism either, but 1337ism really has no bearing on this subject matter. Random Arenas is random, but fun games need to be FUN as well, not this frustrating bullsh!t abusefest we now call RA atm..

You can't TELL people to stop playing where they are, and much as you say it isn't, Elitism is exactly what you think is wrong with RA. Every post you have in this thread screams it. You (and a couple other QQ'rs) want to remove all people from RA who can't (or won't) play upto your higher standards, which if it isn't Elitism, I don't know what is.

Point is if you don't want 'slumbags' on your team, U really need to think about the neighbourhood you are in, personally I'd suggest that TA might be more to your liking.

Regulus X · May 25, 2009, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I'd more than love to, but TA is vacant (go to any district and see for yourself). Additionally, all high-end guild members and competitors go to ID1 RA for a reason (easier gladiator points). Some go as far as to sycnronize their entry in an attempt to raise their succession rate to 10+ wins. Elitism is when someone thinks they're greater than the rest (picture an eagle flying high in the sky, higher than any other bird..). Having high standards is no accurate indicator of 1337ism as you presume. Having high standards simply implies that anything less will only hinder themselves and others from their goal or prize (winning, gaining gladiator points and faction, satisfaction in having won the match, etc.).

Everyone always tries to simplify this topic with a "go TA, play tetris, /uninstall, leave us to roll around in the mud and drag the rest with us *like it or not.. better than nothing*" mentality of a teen, naive and lacking in understanding and foresight. Us '1337ists', as you so call us players with standards, have what's called experience, and this experience teaches us that fighting without a healer in and part of the game is LOSE and that if the rest try and dilute their templates with excessive self healing, they miss out on damage and utility (i.e.: less strength, less critical strikes, no shock, etc..).

And the above isn't even the issue at hand, it's the fact that good players get dragged into the mud by the lousy, abusive, childish, malicious and hateful players in RA (aka: abuse). It needs attention from the Dev's tbh..

PvP (idc which arena you're in) is meant to compete in and have fun, you know, enjoy? Know what enjoying a game means? It means not having to endure a /reportfest, "rock-n-a-hard-place resign-denial-or-d-hex" catch-22, automated tempbans for abusively selecting the 'inapropriate language' /report option for every teeny little word that's offensive or unbecoming (chat filter and chat ON/OFF toggle switches are for what now??).

Anon-e-mouse · May 25, 2009, 03:39 PM // 15:39

The mere act of wanting to discrimate against someone based on your perception of their skill level is Elitism, doesn't matter how you want to cloud it, or paint it, that what it is, no if's, no buts.

The entire point of RANDOM arena's is that sometimes you will get a good team/players and sometimes you will not, it's the entire principle behind the word RANDOM.

It's simply not possible to regulate randomness.

Regulus X · May 25, 2009, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

The mere act of wanting to discrimate against someone based on your perception of their skill level is Elitism, doesn't matter how you want to cloud it, or paint it, that what it is, no if's, no buts.

The entire point of RANDOM arena's is that sometimes you will get a good team/players and sometimes you will not, it's the entire principle behind the word RANDOM.

It's simply not possible to regulate randomness.

Okay, I'll repeat myself so that you understand me clearly, anon-e-mouse:

This topic has NOTHING to do with 1337ism and has EVERYTHING to do with ABUSE in Random Arenas. Idc what the skill level of the rest is, if others are being abusive with the /report-&-ban "automation", it needs to be taken away. /report is to teens as shotgun shells are to a shotgun + mass-murderer, get the picture?

It's a bad concept that's been ruining Random Arenas (4v4) for years now and hasn't been reassessed since (because they're too busy with GvG and maT's as well as nerfing anything that dominates their favorite guilds in competitions and producing new ways to make money off the rest *Makeover/Name-Changes*).

Sirius-NZ · May 25, 2009, 04:26 PM // 16:26

This place seems to have improved since I was last here. Less trolling, and so on.

One thing you could try is just turning public chat off... if you don't see it it can't annoy you. Doesn't help if your own team is responsible, but I guess you can always force them to lose.

pumpkin pie · May 26, 2009, 03:41 AM // 03:41

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

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It's simply not possible to regulate randomness.

Actually it can be done, NON-CONSECUTIVE wins like JQ and FA, the system is already there, use it on RA but change to 5 wins gets 1 gladiator points.

All thos elitism you call and people denied is the cause of having to reach 5 and 10 wins in RA to get gladiator points, if you don't have to depneds on that factors, there will be less flaming and QQ going on, because afterall , its just that one game you have to tolerate other players in. then you are done with them.

Change RA to non-consecutive 5 wins to get 1 gladiator points , case closed.

in the same time, it also make it moot to sync hahahahahah