Curse

nkuvu · May 18, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by angela faye

Under Notes. Quote: "Beware of scams, some players may try to trade you a Gift of the Huntsman instead of Gift of the Traveler."

And who edits the wiki? Oh right, it's the players. It's not a definitive source of information. I could easily go over to that page and edit it to say "Beware of Unethical Behavior..."

In any case, I'd call this a "scam" if someone was saying "Selling Gifts of the Traveler" and in actuality they were selling Gifts of the Huntsman. But really. Quibbling over terminology is kind of silly. Calling it a scam or calling it unethical or calling it "good business practice" doesn't change the action.

MithranArkanere · May 18, 2009, 03:26 PM // 15:26

If you sell them as gifts of the traveler it is a scam.
If you sell them as what they are, then it is not.

If you don't say what they are then it's gray zone. But if they ask you if they are gifts of the traveler and you say they are, it's truly a scam.

angela faye · May 18, 2009, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by nkuvu

And who edits the wiki? Oh right, it's the players. It's not a definitive source of information.

Who edits the law of this world? Human beings, so I could also easily change the law?

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Originally Posted by nkuvu

I could easily go over to that page and edit it to say "Beware of Unethical Behavior..."

Ok, go ahead, i really want see that.

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Originally Posted by nkuvu

In any case, I'd call this a "scam" if someone was saying "Selling Gifts of the Traveler" and in actuality they were selling Gifts of the Huntsman. But really. Quibbling over terminology is kind of silly. Calling it a scam or calling it unethical or calling it "good business practice" doesn't change the action.

For God's Sake, My original thought was just to post my little story here to warn those innocent ppl who don't know pre much stay away from this kind of trap. Maybe to some of you I was wrong to use that sensitive word "SCAM", but as you said yourself calling it a scam or calling it unethical or calling it "good business practice" doesn't change the action.

Come on, give me a break!

Lykan · May 18, 2009, 06:45 PM // 18:45

This isnt much of a scam its just one of those "hey maybe I should be reading what im buying" type of situations.

Earth · May 18, 2009, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by angela faye

Who edits the law of this world? Human beings, so I could also easily change the law?

What the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you talking about? Do you even have any clue about how a wiki works? Any one can edit it, it doesn't mean it's right. Your analogy fails.

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Originally Posted by angela faye

Ok, go ahead, i really want see that.

Here you go.

nkuvu · May 18, 2009, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by angela faye

For God's Sake, My original thought was just to post my little story here to warn those innocent ppl who don't know pre much stay away from this kind of trap. Maybe to some of you I was wrong to use that sensitive word "SCAM", but as you said yourself calling it a scam or calling it unethical or calling it "good business practice" doesn't change the action.

Come on, give me a break!

OK, my points in order, because they weren't clear, apparently.

1. It's not new.
2. It's not a scam.
3. Whatever you call it isn't particularly important, so there's no need to get defensive about the exact definition. This is the part where you'd say "yeah, so maybe not exactly a scam, but still unethical." Leave it at that, and no one needs to get their knickers in a twist.

I don't really see the point of the thread, to be honest. You could as easily have said "pay attention when trading, so you get what you expect." And that's been true since day one. With that point... I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to post here.

[DE] · May 18, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

If you sell them as gifts of the traveler it is a scam.
If you sell them as what they are, then it is not.

If you don't say what they are then it's gray zone. But if they ask you if they are gifts of the traveler and you say they are, it's truly a scam.

This.

/thread

exploiter · May 18, 2009, 09:10 PM // 21:10

...cause this thread just asked for this

Xanthe Dashka · May 18, 2009, 09:11 PM // 21:11

I just saw massive: "wtb scales 2K each" in several outposts.

When you start offering what they ask for they start to behave like idiots.

Nanu Li · May 18, 2009, 09:18 PM // 21:18

I see no harm in drawing people's attention, even if it is a scam or not (technically), even if it is new or old, obvious or less so. Information never hurts, nor paying attention while you make trade

angela faye · May 18, 2009, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Nanu Li

I see no harm in drawing people's attention, even if it is a scam or not (technically), even if it is new or old, obvious or less so. Information never hurts, nor paying attention while you make trade

Can't agree more...

I quite don't understand why some ppl just put all his/her attention on those two words "new" and "scam" other than provide some positive advise to let ppl stay away from such traps???!!

Btw, I sent a report to GW support team and will let you guys know if they think its a scam or not...

nkuvu · May 18, 2009, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Nanu Li

I see no harm in drawing people's attention, even if it is a scam or not (technically), even if it is new or old, obvious or less so. Information never hurts, nor paying attention while you make trade

I'll expect to see a new thread soon: "Attacking a mob with no skills equipped isn't as effective as using skills." And maybe "Wearing armor increases your chances of survival." How about "New info! Selling things by dropping the items on the ground outside is a bad idea"?

For the record, I'm focusing on the words used because I actually enjoy being able to communicate with other people. Which means accurate statements, for the most part. If I say "I sold a sword yesterday, it did 11-22 Dark Damage," that's not very accurate. I probably meant staff, not sword. As such, if I made a statement like that I'd expect to be corrected by anyone who knows the game.

Shayne Hawke · May 18, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

Seems like an extreme case of technicalities. A person that knows what they really want should be able to see through this easily, but I'm sure there are a good number of people out there that can be fooled by this.

Obrien Xp · May 18, 2009, 11:17 PM // 23:17

I can see your point and lol, gj catching yourself there.

Usually people tend to close all other tabs or simply cut the trade window and the text out and stick it together, we don't need to see your hoards of $$ in the xunlai etc. It hurts me to look at it.

^lol, but seriously how do you make so much UWSC

*Yes, I'm aware that I'm not rich in gw and this is probably QQ.

angela faye · May 18, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Ok, for whom still think this is NOT a scam, now you can talk to GW support team..

This is what I got from them today after I sent my report:
Hi XXX,

I reviewed the game logs of this incident and confirmed a violation. The player’s account has been suspended for defrauding others of in-game gold and items.

Thank you for submitting your report and helping keep Guild Wars a fun and safe place to play.

Regards,
GM AppleXXXXX
The Guild Wars Support Team

I'm so glad to see GW support team are with me...

angela faye · May 18, 2009, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

I can see your point and lol, gj catching yourself there.

Usually people tend to close all other tabs or simply cut the trade window and the text out and stick it together, we don't need to see your hoards of $$ in the xunlai etc. It hurts me to look at it.

^lol, but seriously how do you make so much UWSC

*Yes, I'm aware that I'm not rich in gw and this is probably QQ.

Sorry, my $$ make you feel bad. Honestly, most of my friends are richer than me. Look at guru high-end forum, ppl are buying stuff at stacks of ectos or even stacks of Armbraces. Few hundred ks is really nothing....

Btw, I was not intend to do that. I just too lazy to edit all the things.

Obrien Xp · May 19, 2009, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by angela faye

Sorry, my $$ make you feel bad. Honestly, most of my friends are richer than me. Look at guru high-end forum, ppl are buying stuff at stacks of ectos or even stacks of Armbraces. Few hundred ks is really nothing....

Btw, I was not intend to do that. I just too lazy to edit all the things.

Np, just having fun with you. But, how do you make the cash anyways, I get 5k an hour doing pve. I can't farm too long before I get really bored

angela faye · May 19, 2009, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

Np, just having fun with you. But, how do you make the cash anyways, I get 5k an hour doing pve. I can't farm too long before I get really bored

Well,to any one who have played this game for about 4 years, it's not hard to get few hundred Ks in their pocket.

I made some good money back to the day when nightfall just released, simply by doing chest run outside of the gate of torment. There used to be 4-5 easy chests you could get in a 5mins run, and drops were pretty nice at that time. Since nightfall just released, tons of ppl need to buy their new weapons especially Dervish and Paragons. I remembered I sold my spears and Scythes which I got from the chest in about 10 mins one day and made my first 100k.

After EotN been released, I went to farm raptors to get cash and unidentified golds for my title. I have to say that might be the easiest and most profitable farming in this game especially during the event weeekend. But now its getting way over farmed..

There are also lots of other ways to make money beside chest run and farming. Most my wealthy friend told me the easiest and quickest way to earn money is POWER TRADE. lol, I have to admit that but sadly I have no patience to stand all day just buying and selling stuff.

Oh, wait, I forgot, another way to get rich really quick is to make a sin toon. Simply looking around you will get a clue, there are numerous sins running Z-quests and missions for other ppl everyday....

CyberNigma · May 19, 2009, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by nkuvu

I'll expect to see a new thread soon: "Attacking a mob with no skills equipped isn't as effective as using skills." And maybe "Wearing armor increases your chances of survival." How about "New info! Selling things by dropping the items on the ground outside is a bad idea"?

For the record, I'm focusing on the words used because I actually enjoy being able to communicate with other people. Which means accurate statements, for the most part. If I say "I sold a sword yesterday, it did 11-22 Dark Damage," that's not very accurate. I probably meant staff, not sword. As such, if I made a statement like that I'd expect to be corrected by anyone who knows the game.

I don't believe you, which probably doesn't matter to you since you don't know me. The manner in which you started off leads me to believe that you enjoy talking at people and not with them. You may not be a kid, but you sure come across as acting like one, borderline temper tantrum, definitely over-exaggerating the situation.

My guess is that you either are bored, pissed off at something and making the OP the target of your frustrations, or pissed off someone is drawing attention to this and trying to play it down for some reason.

I think if it was a useless thread regurgitating information the mods would have closed it or removed it quite a while ago. In fact, since the point has been made in the thread and the information available, it would probably be a good idea to go ahead and close it out.

btw, those are poor examples, even when been used as an attempt at sarcasm.

nkuvu · May 19, 2009, 06:05 AM // 06:05

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

I don't believe you, which probably doesn't matter to you since you don't know me. The manner in which you started off leads me to believe that you enjoy talking at people and not with them. You may not be a kid, but you sure come across as acting like one, borderline temper tantrum, definitely over-exaggerating the situation.

My guess is that you either are bored, pissed off at something and making the OP the target of your frustrations, or pissed off someone is drawing attention to this and trying to play it down for some reason.

Right.

I'm confused why such offense is taken to a very minor correction. I'm not upset in any way, just trying to make my point clear. If you make a mistake while writing or speaking, and someone corrects you, do you gracefully accept the correction (whether or not you actually agree with the correction), or do you gripe and moan about being right and everyone hates you and omg why is everyone picking on you?

The reaction to the correction is more interesting to me than the correction itself. I've stated multiple times that it's trivial and doesn't really matter what you call it. So why get so incredibly adamant about defending the definition? Or on the flip side, why are people so adamant about saying it isn't a scam?

I've also stated multiple times that I personally don't care what you may call it. The vehemence is interesting, because I don't understand why people get so worked up about simple terminology. This may be a shock to you, but I'm not worked up about this. Temper tantrums are quite the opposite of how I'm viewing the thread.

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btw, those are poor examples, even when been used as an attempt at sarcasm.

Give absolute statements, get ridiculous examples in return. "Information never hurts" and "no harm in drawing people's attention, even if it is a scam or not (technically), even if it is new or old, obvious or less so."

That is, in a word, silly. Of course there are useless threads to open, and I gave some really ridiculous examples of threads that don't benefit anyone.

The staff example would be a lot more along the lines of the OP's error. Small, not really important, but not correct.

As far as moderation goes, I'm not one to question their choice in leaving the thread open or not. If this had shown up in the Community Discussion Forum on GWO when I was a moderator there, I would have closed it. But that's not my call here, and hey, their site, their rules, no worries. Just in case you may think I'm worked up about that, too.