Curse

Brett Kuntz · Jun 22, 2009, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

I still play D2 casually and I can afford any game I want to play, and I know other who do too. I also know many people who still play starcraft and WC3 for fun. So no, not only poor people still play D2, and not only people who get paid play SC/WC3.

You're the exception to the rule.

Kendel · Jun 22, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

No, but thousands of people still play Starcraft, Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2. All of those games are much older than Guild Wars, no?

So your ignoring the fact WC1+2 and D1 are more or less ignored because it suits you but bringing up that Starcraft, WC3 and D2 are still played? Some things are just popular way down the line. WC3 and Starcraft are both Strategy games, WC3 has tons of custom maps and an insane following for DOTA. Diablo 2 is an RPG, about the closest thing to GW you mentioned, but so is D1 and noone cares. I do still ocassionally play D2 but i'm always reminded of its biggest flaw, that as a Single Player game it fails 99% of the time and as a Multiplayer game is it hacked beyond all reason. Without ATMA (an external muling program) your gear would be terrible. Immunities render some classes completely unplayable. The insane health/defence in Hell renders some classes unplayable.

Since we're on the topic of random stats:

Current Peak
37,793 71,699 Counter-Strike
37,668 93,784 Counter-Strike: Source
19,322 26,280 Team Fortress 2
12,423 17,885 Left 4 Dead

They are the stats from Steam. These games don't need the developers to do anything to continue to function thanks to external servers. CS currently has just as many players as CS:S, despite CS:S being the next version of it.

Online RPGs have heavy competition, mostly thanks to WoW and content will always get repetitive eventually and you'll get bored, some people might come back later on and play some more, some might not, others might go play another RPG. Online FPS's are numerous, but most suck and very few actually have the modability of the Source Engine to survive like the Counterstrikes have.

Ec]-[oMaN · Jun 22, 2009, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Devastating Flames

It seems that for the past few months the activeness of Members and players has greatly Decreased. i fear that in a few more months it will be just as bad or worse. What do you all think? Look at your guild rosters.

Welcome to 2007.

Brett Kuntz · Jun 22, 2009, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

Welcome to 2007.

You mean July 06?

HuntMaster Avatar · Jun 22, 2009, 03:04 AM // 03:04

You have to remember that not everyone who plays gw has unlimited free time. Many of us players are adults with jobs, kids, school and other activities and responsibilities. When we do get free time, we try to enjoy our hobbies the best we can. With new games (ps3/xbox360/NWii/PC/other, comes less time on our old favorites.

I wouldn't say people are getting sick of gw because its old. Thats not the case for most people. I'v played D2Lod, Wc3, FF7 and many other old games for a very long time and still play them. I also enjoy the newer games too. So give people time to do their thing and find a way to enjoy the games you enjoy without worrying about how many people still play GW.

But I agree, the GW playerbase has dropped quite a bit from before I took my break. L.A for example is practically empty compared to what it used to be like. But this is too be expected.

Just wait until gw2 is released. Gw1 will only have between 5%-20% of the total player base left. So prices will soar and many guilds will fold up into new guilds. So plan ahead and save those really nice items/unwanted items for when gw2 comes out and its nearly impossible to find that loot anymore.

Also get those pvp titles while you can, because when the playerbase drops its gonna be very hard to find full groups in pvp, even in RA. (take Eq1 as an example. Its still played but I'd say less than 5000 regular players are on it daily.)

Dratyan · Jun 22, 2009, 03:10 AM // 03:10

The guild I was in disbanded and my friends don't play anymore.

But I'm still there......sometimes...

Angelica · Jun 22, 2009, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Originally Posted by Back then

^ No.

12chahahr

^^ Well that's your opinion

Mine is Yes!

/Angelica

spinnaker · Jun 22, 2009, 06:24 AM // 06:24

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Unless they are rabid fanboys that will see hours of gameplay out of one concept art from 2006.

This is so true.

Abedeus · Jun 22, 2009, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by Kendel

So your ignoring the fact WC1+2 and D1 are more or less ignored because it suits you but bringing up that Starcraft, WC3 and D2 are still played? Some things are just popular way down the line. WC3 and Starcraft are both Strategy games, WC3 has tons of custom maps and an insane following for DOTA. Diablo 2 is an RPG, about the closest thing to GW you mentioned, but so is D1 and noone cares. I do still ocassionally play D2 but i'm always reminded of its biggest flaw, that as a Single Player game it fails 99% of the time and as a Multiplayer game is it hacked beyond all reason. Without ATMA (an external muling program) your gear would be terrible. Immunities render some classes completely unplayable. The insane health/defence in Hell renders some classes unplayable.

Since we're on the topic of random stats:

Current Peak
37,793 71,699 Counter-Strike
37,668 93,784 Counter-Strike: Source
19,322 26,280 Team Fortress 2
12,423 17,885 Left 4 Dead

They are the stats from Steam. These games don't need the developers to do anything to continue to function thanks to external servers. CS currently has just as many players as CS:S, despite CS:S being the next version of it.

Online RPGs have heavy competition, mostly thanks to WoW and content will always get repetitive eventually and you'll get bored, some people might come back later on and play some more, some might not, others might go play another RPG. Online FPS's are numerous, but most suck and very few actually have the modability of the Source Engine to survive like the Counterstrikes have.

One word.

SEQUEL.

That's it. It's logical that when sequel gets released, people stop playing the earlier game. SAME IS IN GUILD WARS! Very few people still PUG in old Ascalon areas, for instance.

I won't even bother reading that wall of text. Just notice how I've compared the LAST games from the series to the LAST Guild Wars from the series. It would be unfair to compare GW to 13 year old game (Diablo 1).

headlesshobbs · Jun 22, 2009, 08:12 AM // 08:12

It just seems without a new chapter to play there's no real incentive to keep playing unless you either enjoy it or like grinding for titles. Other people know enough to move on when they're bored.

On the plus side, this should make it easier on the monthly server bill for the time being.

Cacheelma · Jun 22, 2009, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by headlesshobbs

It just seems without a new chapter to play there's no real incentive to keep playing unless you either enjoy it or like grinding for titles. Other people know enough to move on when they're bored.

On the plus side, this should make it easier on the monthly server bill for the time being.

Monthly server bill that is based on bandwidth usage?

What do you think this game is, your school's webpage?

I lol'd IRL.

Massive Impulsa · Jun 22, 2009, 08:43 AM // 08:43

2 Biggest reasons atm.

Summer

School / Exams lately.

Odinius · Jun 22, 2009, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Our guild consists of three players and we still play.
Not as often as we used too but every friday night we play for a few hours.
Do we see less players: yes
Is GW getting boring: yes
Would we like new updates: yes
BUT, this will not give us the same enjoyment we got from the game the first time around.
We know GW is losing the last bit of magic it has left and we have made peace with that fact.
The last four years of play have been great fun and I thank Anet for that.
Now let the game slowly fade away and the memory live in our hearts untill Anet reveals all the goodness that is GW2.
It will come to us when we almost forgot we ever enjoyed this game and we will be able to relive the experience anew.

Hyper.nl · Jun 22, 2009, 09:36 AM // 09:36

There is a reason why the population is decreasing. There hasn't been enough new content. The Eye of the North was great, but since then it has became quiet. Sure, the April update was great, but it is not enough to keep the veterans playing.

I would love to see a new expansion or campaign with a new storyline, new missions, new gear/armors with slightly better stats than the current ones, a few extra skills and elite skills, a few extra titles and some competitive missions like Aspenwood/JQ. Release it with a collectors edition and the money will be flowing in again.

Just something serious to keep us busy while we're waiting for Guild Wars 2.

Kendel · Jun 22, 2009, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

One word.

SEQUEL.

Next game in the series does not equal better game. End of story. Tell me Deus Ex: Invisible War is better than Deus Ex. Those numbers from Steam certainly don't show that CS:S is miles more popular than CS. They are played because theres something there for them to keep doing. Trying to compare a strategy game to an online RPG is just dumb by any standard. At least compare it to something like RF Online, another MMORPG that recently was shutdown but still exists. Or perhaps the decline in numbers on WoW before they surge again with a new content update.

Sequel means squat, if you think that word alone means something then its you whose clueless.

Abedeus · Jun 22, 2009, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by Kendel

Next game in the series does not equal better game. End of story. Tell me Deus Ex: Invisible War is better than Deus Ex. Those numbers from Steam certainly don't show that CS:S is miles more popular than CS. They are played because theres something there for them to keep doing. Trying to compare a strategy game to an online RPG is just dumb by any standard. At least compare it to something like RF Online, another MMORPG that recently was shutdown but still exists. Or perhaps the decline in numbers on WoW before they surge again with a new content update.

Sequel means squat, if you think that word alone means something then its you whose clueless.

Yes, let's totally ignore the fact that few people play Deus Ex anyway. Seriously, I don't remember if it has multiplayer, but I don't think you can compare single-player games to GW. What next, comparing Rayman 1 and Rayman 3 to GW?

People play CS 1.6 because they didn't like some of the things changed or because it has lower requirements.

I never said sequels are be... Oh, wait, Cacheelma already did it for me.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

*roll eyes*

First he gave an example of Blizzard's games, which are all sequels of the game you mentioned. ALL OF THEM are more popular than their predecessors and are more or less better. You somehow missed the point entirely that he had to CLARIFY his point to you (pointing out that the games are sequels. He NEVER said anything about sequels being better).

Yet you still missed the point. How did you get the nerve to call someone else clueless is way way WAY beyond me.

I guess that makes me clueless about your behavior as well? Odd, somehow I don't feel bad about it.

Thank you, at least you understand.

Eragon Zarroc · Jun 22, 2009, 02:37 PM // 14:37

definitely feels like player base is declining

Mordakai · Jun 22, 2009, 03:13 PM // 15:13

So, does anyone have any hard numbers here, or is everyone just blowing smoke?

And who cares how many people currently play Guild Wars anyway? Anet is not being payed monthly.

nacho3232 · Jun 22, 2009, 05:35 PM // 17:35

well I think most are getting sick of the skill changes the ones they should change they don't , It's been 4 or 5 years now and they still can't get it right. The rewards you get in events and holiday time are a joke, a cupcake yay or a min pet that does you nothing. My dream would be new content that you can place a house on put vender's up and take craft skill like black smith tailor ect... like Ultima on line.

Mordakai · Jun 22, 2009, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by nacho3232

well I think most are getting sick of the skill changes the ones they should change they don't , It's been 4 or 5 years now and they still can't get it right. The rewards you get in events and holiday time are a joke, a cupcake yay or a min pet that does you nothing. My dream would be new content that you can place a house on put vender's up and take craft skill like black smith tailor ect... like Ultima on line.

Houses? Crafting?

That's not an update, that's a whole new game.