Curse

Amnel Ithtirsol · Jun 24, 2009, 12:50 PM // 12:50

loltitles...

It's taken a lot of time to get this far. I'm hoping that the so-called "benefit" these things will grant in GW2 is somehow worth it. I should be at 20+ maxed within the next 2-3 weeks. GWAMM, however, will take a lot more time to get.

Titles I'll be proud to wear when maxed:
Wisdom, Treasure Hunter. It gets done without you really thinking about it. I like that. I'll probably have to chest-run a bit and buy unIDs to get those all the way maxed though.

Titles I found easy to max:
Drunkard and Sweet tooth. Event weekends FTW! Just makes me sad to think how rich I could have been if I sold all the items though...
I found most of the mission titles a breeze. Nightfall Shiro was a handfull though.
Vanquishing with cartography (texmod) is/was fun (unless you H/H it). Cartography without texmod is/was really not fun.

Titles I found to be too much grind:
Sunspear, Lightbringer, EOTN rep.

Titles I don't plan on getting:
Kurzick/Luxon, really cant be bothered to grind that much.
Lucky/Unlucky, because I don't have money to waste on 9 rings (anymore). And I think getting a "title" that way is retarded.
Zaishen, because I don't have 160million GW accounts.
I don't have Legendary Survivor on my Dervish main. Obviously no LDoA either then. Which sucks.

Then lastly, titles I haven't really started on yet:
Skill hunter, this could be fun. Looking forward to it.
Party Animal, depends on the weekend event drop rates and if I can find some way to replace Keg-farming as my primary source of title-dom.

Longasc · Jun 24, 2009, 12:57 PM // 12:57

I would like to second what faraaz said.

PvP titles and PvE "I did it" titles are quite okay. (Survivor became cheesy with Fronis.)
Except those who just indicate time spent: Commander, Kurzick/Luxon title track e.g.

What do we have? Tons of titles that reward extreme repetition. Even worse, skill effectiviness in PvE is now tied to title track grinds. EOTN did a pretty bad job at introducing countless pve skills and associated faction grinds.

I would even go so far this is against the initial spirit and idea of GW, skill over time, but this got already lost ages ago.

Lucky: Go AFK on the 9 rings
Legendary Defender: Let yourself afk kill for hours, then kill the killers

And the funniest idea: META-achievements. Collections of achievements.
To max 30 titles, I already did the more meaningful crap over one year ago. At 28 titles, you can guess what is left: Consumption titles. Eat, drink, party. Wow.

Most of my friends and me included focus so much on titles that I must say doing something special and fun in GW, the feeling of not having to "work" towards something, gets lost somewhat.
When I had played through my first char through Prophecies, I made a char of another class. Nowadays I rather stick to my main and fave alt char to max the faction title tracks on them.

I say titles did no good to GW. GW is dead with or without titles, as people who go for titles do not really play with others. They run chests, drink beer, do this, do that.

If I go for titles, i.e. have to do a dungeon, I do not PUG for sure. I ask friends and use heroes/hench, but not random players!

MithranArkanere · Jun 24, 2009, 02:39 PM // 14:39

I only really like the Titles that I always got before they existed.

Most of them are achievement titles, like Protector or Cartographer.

That's why I think that the only one left is the one for making secondary quests.

I already made them all, now give me a title for it like you did with the others.

Sjeng · Jun 24, 2009, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Well, I'm a title hunter, for lack of better things to do :P So here's my list:

Legendary Guardian: got it, this was fun. It has no use, other than gametime, and of course learning HM.
Legendary Cartographer: pretty useless, but very much fun to do. Provides gametime.
Legendary Master of the North: like the above two combined.
EotN Reputation titles: you get progression as you do the above title, so not too hard. Maxing them is grindy though, but you get r8/r9 if you get LMotN, and that's good enough for the skills. Only needs grind for GWAMM.
Drunkard / Sweet tooth / Party animal: completely useless, but not hard to achieve, although drunkard takes time. I use lots of alcohol and consumables while doing HM to ease gameplay and progress the titles faster.
Kurzick / Luxon: You only need one for the Pve skills, but only some have real usefullness. I'd skip this one if I had survivor on my main, but he's pre-titles, so I'll have to grind kurzick if I want GWAMM.

too grindy.
SS/LB: you max these easily if you complete Leg. Guardian and Leg. Vanquisher of Elona. The LB skills are only usefull in some areas of NF, doesn't have much use to me. The SS skills are nice though.
Legendary Vanquisher: working on it. Only Tyria left to complete. One of the best titles: fun, +gametime.
Legendary Skill Hunter: kinda fun. Usefull for your heroes (unlocking all elite skills), not so much for the character, but it's fun +gametime.
Legendary Survivor: fun to try once, but easily achieved by brawling or other tricks. It's cool if you actually achieve it by playing through the storyline, but I only wanted the statue, since my main can't get it anyway :P
LDoA: pointless, useless, extremely grindy, I might try going for it if I have nothing else to do anymore... not very likely though.
KoaBD/GWAMM: comes from diong the above, so the title is useless, but gives incentive to do the above. Just a bragging rights title, supposed to be fun. It's nothing more.

So my point of view is, although many titles have no practical use at all, they can be fun to achieve, adding stuff to do ingame. LDoA, Kurzick/Luxon are the only ones I find extremely dull and grindy. All that matters if that YOU should enjoy pursuing them. If not, don't do them

oh and the ones I find absolutely pointless and won't bother with (aside from unintentionally advancement through opening chests and such):
Lucky / Unlucky / Wisdom / Treasure. I got the statues by just playing, and that's all I need

Z-rank: biggest lol ever. Won't even go for r1. I sell my keys for profit.

Verene · Jun 24, 2009, 09:05 PM // 21:05

I don't get why people say SS/LB are grindy; I really haven't found them to be. Yeah, you need to get to r7 at one point in the game to continue. But...that's easy. I was r7 about half an hour after my Dervish left the island in Nightfall. It was easy. Ranking up my SS and LB titles really didn't take anything more than playing normally. Maxing them will take a bit more grind, but even there, if I decide to vanquish? Doing that will take care of Sunspear and Lightbringer at the same time.

Nanood · Jun 24, 2009, 09:10 PM // 21:10

GWAMM is the most awesome title ever..

When I got it I finally stopped thinking about titles and started having much more fun just playing.

GWAMM is truly God of Titles.

Cale Roughstar · Jun 24, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

I really don't care about titles. I think they are good for the game, and every now and then, I get excited about one or two and have some great fun completing them, but most of the time I find them boring.

I think the zaishen title is stupid, but I finally broke and started on it, since I have nothing better to do with my money.

Fay Vert · Jun 24, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

When titles first arrived, cartographer (typria) was worth something. Back then there were no 100% maps available, and certainly no easy texmods. Now of course its so easy its worthless. Now, only GWAMM will do, and that is quickly heading towards "meh" (if it isn't already there)

MisterB · Jun 24, 2009, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowerpoke

all of them are pointless

Agree with this.
We might get shinies for them in GW2, so it doesn't hurt to get them, but I'm not too bothered having few of them. I did Legendary Guardian because it was what I wanted to do anyway.

Buster · Jun 24, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

For me I wish the titles were in right from the start of Guild Wars because now everything becomes very repetitve. If it wasn't for helping guildies and realling liking Guild Wars alot, I do not think I would be grinding for one single title.

Tender Wolf · Jun 24, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

I do wonder what our titles and everything in Hall of Monuments will give us in Guild Wars 2. Again, it would be nice to hear some news about it...

But that's not what this thread is about. I just go for titles for something to do, but I'm quite content if I never get GWAMM.

fenix · Jun 25, 2009, 12:10 AM // 00:10

It seems to me that the OP dislikes all titles because she can't get them.

I personally think that the only titles that are worthless, are the ones you can buy (Party, Drunk, Sweet, Wisdom, Treasure, Lucky, Unlucky).

The rest have at least some merit to them (well, maybe not Kurz/Lux).

Still Number One · Jun 25, 2009, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

I personally think that the only titles that are worthless, are the ones you can buy (Party, Drunk, Sweet, Wisdom, Treasure, Lucky, Unlucky).

You can buy every title in the game with the exception of cartographer and gamer, unless you buy an account with them already done on it.

fenix · Jun 25, 2009, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Well yeah, but you don't HAVE to. The ones I listed, you HAVE to buy.

Tender Wolf · Jun 25, 2009, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

It seems to me that the OP dislikes all titles because she can't get them.

Um...no. I didn't say I disliked titles; I enjoy getting them since it gives me something to do. Half the titles I listed are ones I'm either working on or have already gotten (such as Legendary Cartographer, Legendary Skill Hunter).

There are some titles I dislike, not because I can't get them, but because they're annoying (like Survivor and LDOA).

I forgot to mention Vanquisher. Those are okay - chance for some good drops, elite skill caps, and mapping all in one. Too bad it has to be done in HM. lol

Clone · Jun 25, 2009, 03:00 AM // 03:00

I hate them all. They killed much of what was good about Guild Wars.

Black Metal · Jun 25, 2009, 03:48 AM // 03:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Well yeah, but you don't HAVE to. The ones I listed, you HAVE to buy.

Personally I farmed every single alc, sugar, and party point (all 10k of each). Also, I have maxed treasure hunter, wisdom, lucky, and unlucky, all from a combination of chest farming, vaettirs, and raptors. As for how I paid for the picks, that was generally from regular playing (merching everything junky, selling mods & skins, plus getting picks at 1.2k).

So I don't consider myself as having bought any of those titles.

On top of that I have 34 maxed titles, all of them done legitly. For example, for alc, the vast majority of the 10k were 1 pointers, which I clicked one minute at a time while watching football games or movies or dvds of 24.

fenix · Jun 25, 2009, 03:54 AM // 03:54

You're certainly one of the exceptions. Congratulations on getting 34 titles without paying for them, especially treasure/wisdom/lucky/unlucky. That's a fair effort considering the amount of gold you normally need to get them.

Black Metal · Jun 25, 2009, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Yeah and I complain about my fair share of things, but grind isn't one of them. That's is pretty much elective.

thanks btw

shoyon456 · Jun 25, 2009, 04:48 AM // 04:48

Although Im working on completing GWAMM, I hate the title and the grindy implications of most titles. The only titles I consider to be worth the effort are protector, guardians, skill hunter (despite the cost).

My reasoning is simple enough: protector and guardian show you have completed the storyline in NM and HM respectively, so you have some experience in them, even if it was a long time ago. Skill hunter show you can run most builds, since it is true most builds are focused around one elite skill. Although, I think skill hunter should have been allowed to be account wide because there are certain elites that are a complete waste to have on a certain char, such as Strength elites on a monk.

Im not going to go over all of the other titles that should have never been made, but here is the gist:
Vanquishing is repetitive. It is not about skill, simply about having the time to roll through every zone killing everything. Yes there are certain bosses are slightly more difficult (some rit bosses spike you if you're not careful), but they are essentially mindless grind. Ive gotten leg vanquisher- I know

Cartography involves exploring the sides of zones and "scraping" to get 100% Granted its not that bad compared to the grind of other titles, but it is quite annoying, and im pretty sure a real cartography title would involve mapping the edges (without running intothe walls like an idiot to scrape) and visiting important areas within the zone (a mural of balthazar, etc...).

All in all:
Titles can be a good addition to a game if they indicate content progression, and not "grind." GW titles were added as an afterthought and thus are always associated with some sort of grind, which I believe is the wrong philosophy. My ideal title would be maxed if you simply follow through the storyline missions/quests/sidequests like you're supposed to, without any extra grind necessary. Even though I am close enough to get GWAMM this summer, I really hope that the rewards in GW2 will not be excessive, and I hope they will not be present, or at least have relatively no importance in GW2. This is one consideration I will take into account about buying GW2 if/when it comes out.

Also, no title-linked PvE skills please. That was the worst idea they could have done. Simply a PvE quest to obtain them would suffice. Title discrimination is annoying and should not have a place in any game. Although good luck avoiding that in PvP.

EDIT*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Metal

Yeah and I complain about my fair share of things, but grind isn't one of them. That's is pretty much elective.

Sorry, but its not elective if you cant get into a grp for UW/FoW anymore without not only a specific farm build (general builds have always been a loose req) but MAX titles to run those PvE-only-skill builds. Nowadays, there arent any FoW/UW pugs unless you get a guild group, so if you want to group, you have to be a hardcore farmer who's already farmed away at maxing a title. And just for the record, I've maxed all eotn rep titles out of personal satisfaction, and that is what they should be for. Not to encourage a group to leave people out who don't have eotn/dont have their lives to waste away grinding.

grind =/= content

grind titles are cheap replacements for content in this game