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Mireles · Jul 16, 2009, 11:24 PM // 23:24

I understand points that the poll is prob not 100% representative og the guild wars population. But if your argument there is that they are that there are more single account owner... it will raise the population % of single account owners, but not affect as drastically the amount of accounts are allocated to this majority.

I don't know what Anon-e-mouse is trying to say. My points are that people should not have an advantage in a fee free game by paying real world money which is against ArenaNet is against. and for people that progress threw the game solely threw the wealth form XTH should not even be playing if they don't like farming, trading, or earning titles. becasue thats really all the game is.

I am not saying make it harder for people that are already playing. Lowering the supply of z-keys will not change the difficulty of getting other titles... just may make it harder for some people to pay others to do it for them.

Anon-e-mouse · Jul 16, 2009, 11:25 PM // 23:25

I still think the OP is being a hypocrite of this highest order, flashing around his (or her) God Walking Title, which will have been a least partially paid for by way of Alcohol, Sweet, and Party points, and then wants to prevent other players from obtaining cash via the XTH.

**cosyfiep** · Jul 16, 2009, 11:25 PM // 23:25

this also doesnt take into account people like my husband and his brother---never of whom have more than one account nor a guru account to post their poll answer...I have 2, hubby one, brother one....

Mireles · Jul 16, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

ok ok, wealth may not matter to people who don't participate in the economic factor of the game. i can understand that point.

Firebaall · Jul 16, 2009, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Nerel

The XTH is fun, and hopefully garners a little more interest or understanding in following the games PvP element. Fix the XTH and make the rewards earned from it non tradable.

No free cash here. Non tradable zkeys that YOU can use on the Zchest, sure you MIGHT get some uber valuable goody, but more often than not you'll be getting firewater and creme brulees.

You'll see the majority of the ppl that support the XTH being shut down, melt away their support if the keys were to become non-tradable. There's an agenda here. As soon as it affects them in the opposite manner, you'll see them scurry back under their rocks.

If the XTH goes away, the keys should be made non-tradable.

Mireles · Jul 16, 2009, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Anon-e-Mouse

I've been playing this game since the public beta of Prophices came out... i earned this title long before XTH became a issue. And I only own two accounts.. one for storage before character slots became available. And yes, i think people shouldn't be able to pay real cash for in game currency because if we all started doing that what would be the point of even having a game where you can farm, trade, and earn titles... we could all just buy them.

and i haven't head your reason of why XTH should stay? whats your arguement?Should ArenaNet just start allowing real world money trading?

Jessyi · Jul 16, 2009, 11:50 PM // 23:50

As typical of all debates - sorry I mean "debates", on this forum absolutely no consideration is ever given to one side by the other.

As a 10+ account owner myself, I want the XTH to come back, of course. I say this realizing that what all enemies of the XTH say is true: it should never have existed in the first place. But it did, and I'm sure it will again soon.

I get the impression from many (and explicitly from a few) that the hatred for the XTH system is more directed at the account owners than at the people responsible for the creation of the system in the first place. That's not to suggest there aren't any rational ones, who divide their hate more evenly, or even exclusively towards ANet for making it in the first place.

My point is this: ANet created a system that encouraged buying multiple accounts to get gold easily. They created it an gave it their seal of approval. Why the hatred towards the people who merely did what was encouraged and rewarded? Everything you could possibly say about me or anyone else with a ton of accounts falls flat at this point.

Saying stuff like this:

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Originally Posted by Mireles

If you don't like farming, trading, or earning titles. Why are you playing this game?

is stupid when you realize I can still do that AND make a ton of extra money on the side.

On the other hand and as I said earlier, the XTH shouldn't have been created, but it's a little late for that now. The solution offered by the pro-XTHers is "bring back the XTH and damn the consequences - this game is dead anyways" and the solution offered by the anti-XTHers "damn the XTH and damn all of it's users". Of course, both of those "solutions" suck. Unfortunately I realize that's likely the only choice since the XTH was created.

Which one sucks less? I'd say they suck equally. Taking away the XTH now won't wipe out the fortunes it created and it won't put prestige (lol?) back into titles. Not only that, I'm sure it would piss off a lot of players (especially the ones who are willing to buy a lot of accounts - hint hint) who may not be so inclined to do business with ANet/NCSoft again. Leaving the XTH as is sucks too since it basically amounts to gold selling, and that's not what guild wars was supposed to be. On the other hand, the game is dying, so what the hell, right?

Whatever you choose as your final solution, only one fact remains as I see it: no matter what happens, everybody's already lost.

Firebaall · Jul 16, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Oh, there's plenty to say. You just don't want to listen.

This is the second thread you've aimed at muti account owners, specifically issuing the XTH. How about the other factors/benefits? You know.....the ones you pretty much ignore in your pursuit against the XTH.

i.e. multi account farming, gifts of the traveler, afking muti accounts during festivals, fixing hero battles for championship point farming, and I'm sure that just scratches the surface.

You're hell bent on XTH. Narrow minded is clearly your forte. Funny how such an "accomplished" player never took the time to participate on the forum until now. I guess we should shut down access from the game to those that multi? You know....so they can level the playing field for those customers that only supported Anet once?

Get real.

Mireles · Jul 16, 2009, 11:58 PM // 23:58

I don't hate anyone... everyone seems to hate me because "i want to take away your free money".. and as for people getting pissed off people that own 10+ accounts are a small minority. I don't hate you Tara, i just disagree with you paying real money for your accomplishments... means that you are of equivalent skill as a person that has what you would have without XTH, but you have everything because you were willing to pay around 200 bucks for it. I find it similar to bribing a ref at a sports game... sure you could of won on your own... but you didn't.

I like your argument, yes removing XTH now wouldn't fix anything.. but it will stop it from getting worse

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 16, 2009, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Your point about HOM carryover, it will only be something cosmetic as they can't have people starting out with an advantage over new players. I have 2 accounts and have never used second for XTH. Why should it stay? Because it is fun to see how your picks do and maybe you will get lucky with the chest.

Gift3d · Jul 17, 2009, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Mireles

If you don't like farming, trading, or earning titles. Why are you playing this game?

to look ballin' when everyone watches me on observe. my 10+ accounts i didn't pay for help that a lot!

Mireles · Jul 17, 2009, 12:02 AM // 00:02

i never said people shouldn't own more than one account firebaall shutting down XTH will not effect your stated points

"i.e. multi account farming, gifts of the traveler, afking muti accounts during festivals, fixing hero battles for championship point farming, and I'm sure that just scratches the surface."

Seraphim Angel · Jul 17, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Mireles

I've been playing this game since the public beta of Prophices came out... i earned this title long before XTH became a issue. And I only own two accounts.. one for storage before character slots became available. And yes, i think people shouldn't be able to pay real cash for in game currency because if we all started doing that what would be the point of even having a game where you can farm, trade, and earn titles... we could all just buy them.

and i haven't head your reason of why XTH should stay? whats your arguement?Should ArenaNet just start allowing real world money trading?

Then your argument should be get rid of the rewards XTH brings not XTH itself. Get rid of Z chest and Z keys. GWx2 is being used by many now especially in PvP for what...MORE Z keys.

Of coruse that is not my opinion I am just saying.

Kook~NBK~ · Jul 17, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Mireles

So if this sample (poll) is representative of the entire guild war population.

"IF" is a pretty big word! The poll is only representative of active Guild Wars Guru members. It in no way reflects the entire GW community. any conclusions you draw from the poll cannot be honestly and accurately applied to the GW community. (It's like asking how many Americans living in cities with subways use the subway and then applying the results to Americans - doesn't work!)

Mireles · Jul 17, 2009, 12:12 AM // 00:12

I disagree with me not sharing my opinions.... updates are made based on player opinions why shouldn't i be able to talk...

However i do like your idea bout changing the reward to something non trade able. As i said in the first post i think one way they could regulated XTH is make z-keys non trade able

Firebaall · Jul 17, 2009, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Mireles

i never said people shouldn't own more than one account firebaall shutting down XTH will not effect your stated points

"i.e. multi account farming, gifts of the traveler, afking muti accounts during festivals, fixing hero battles for championship point farming, and I'm sure that just scratches the surface."

Ahhhh...

It seams you don't have anything intelligent to say. Being a parrot, and missing the point kinda places a black mark on your responses here.

If your beef with the XTH is because people that have multiple accounts, generate extra money off them, then you should be just as outraged for multi users for those other examples. Funny how you're not. And funny how you skirted around the issue.

Bravo.

Mireles · Jul 17, 2009, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Kook~NBK~

as i said before yes i realize that it prob inst representative of the population....But i feel the guru community is still considerable large, though the percentages. may be way off i think the pattern is there.

Yes they are probably more single account owners, but also i am sure there are some people that own more than 10 accounts.

Statistics was invented so that logical conclusions can be drawn about a large population that is impossible to poll everyone but can be inferred from a smaller sample

Jessyi · Jul 17, 2009, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Mireles

I don't hate anyone... everyone seems to hate me because "i want to take away your free money".. and as for people getting pissed off people that own 10+ accounts are a small minority. I don't hate you Tara, i just disagree with you paying real money for your accomplishments... means that you are of equivalent skill as a person that has what you would have without XTH, but you have everything because you were willing to pay around 200 bucks for it. I find it similar to bribing a ref at a sports game... sure you could of won on your own... but you didn't.

I like your argument, yes removing XTH now wouldn't fix anything.. but it will stop it from getting worse

It's more like bribing a ref at a sports game if bribery were legalized and encouraged by the league. The people doing the bribing can't be faulted when their activities are sanctioned by the people with the power to do so. Allowing such a system to exist EVER is only going to result in resentment when it does get fixed.

Should XTH be removed? From a game-integrity standpoint, I'd say yes. However, I spent a lot of money on my accounts under the impression that it wouldn't be removed. If it is, it's quite simple really - I'll just take my next $400 and spend it somewhere else. Of course, if it remains as is, you may also take your money and spend it somewhere else since you know you can't trust ANet not to make dumb policy choices regarding their games. It sucks either way.

Mireles · Jul 17, 2009, 12:20 AM // 00:20

Firebaall

you keep attacking me not my arguement... my beef is with real world trading money.. don't care about your opinion on me, you know nothing about me so it is really irrelevant. I care about your opinion on real world trading relating to XTH which few people have given me. Its hard to get your point drowned in personal attacks...

what other points bout XTH have you made this whole time besides these?

"i.e. multi account farming, gifts of the traveler, afking muti accounts during festivals, fixing hero battles for championship point farming, and I'm sure that just scratches the surface."

Inde · Jul 17, 2009, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

"IF" is a pretty big word! The poll is only representative of active Guild Wars Guru members. It in no way reflects the entire GW community. any conclusions you draw from the poll cannot be honestly and accurately applied to the GW community. (It's like asking how many Americans living in cities with subways use the subway and then applying the results to Americans - doesn't work!)

Just to drop in my 2 cents.. hey I am the one who created the poll, take the single accounts and double the percentage. There you have a more accurate telling of how the Guild Wars community is divided up.

So I would estimate about 70% of players have 1 account. Probably more like 20% have 2 accounts. Then the other 10% is divided between 3+ accounts with those who have 10+ accounts really being less than 1% of all players (not counting the RMT's).