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Cale Roughstar · Aug 12, 2009, 12:57 AM // 00:57

Well, this certainly makes things interesting. I dont suppose we can do much more than sit around grumbling and stiring the conspiracy theory pot, after all, what are the chances that they would actually tell us anything that they haven't told the general public? Might as well keep our fingers crossed that everything for GW/GW2 will work out and then go about our own merry ways.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Aug 12, 2009, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Socrates The Mauler

I'm glad he left. Maybe now GW2 will shed it's Magic: The Gathering like shackles, and turn into something cool and unique, something worth playing for 5 plus years.

Oh, you mean like another WoW clone?

The Magic: The Gathering influence is what made this game such a success in the first place, it was fresh, different and made PvP excellent. Without those things and being free to play the game would have simply died in the first year.

fog_of_redoubt · Aug 12, 2009, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by notskorn

No comments from Regina? What does she do all day, sit at her desk playing tetris?

She posted a little while ago in the Test Krew thread.

I guess they don't deem this topic worthy of discussing.

Trub · Aug 12, 2009, 01:17 AM // 01:17

Hmmmmmm.
Here's my wild guess:
http://www.carbinestudios.com/

Targren · Aug 12, 2009, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by Mister_Smiley

Like i said, just because he left, dosn't mean it will cause any problems with GW2, seeing that he worked for NCsoft West and not Anet anymore

You can't talk about NCSoft and Anet like they're different companies. They are not. ArenaNet is wholly owned by NCSoft. "NCSoft West" is the division of NCSoft charged with governing all of NCSoft's European and American subsidiaries including Arenanet
If you work for Arenanet, you work for NCSoft (though not vice-versa).

This is only the beginning.

Bob Slydell · Aug 12, 2009, 01:21 AM // 01:21

As long as guildwars can stay around and be maintained I'm fine with that. Shame he left but if that caused GW2 to die off I don't particuallry care. It's not like any of us have even put any money down or aside for the game to them that we won't get back. I love GW1, and GW2 threatens that.

~Grogs~ · Aug 12, 2009, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

I find you just as incredible. Yes, he left, NCWest. Nothing supports him leaving Anet. Nothing supports him staying at Anet. But due to wording, one should lean towards the the idea that he still works at Anet. But, of course, that doesn't mean he doesn't still work there.

Companies don't miss opportunites to get marketing milage out of high level strategic internal transfers.

It's a huge leap to go from a publicly released statement saying an employee has left a company (and they wish him all the best in his future endeavours, yadda, yadda), and take from that he's reemployed / still employed by one of their subsidiaries?

Black Metal · Aug 12, 2009, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

She posted a little while ago in the Test Krew thread.

I guess they don't deem this topic worthy of discussing.

She's made 3 posts in that thread in a matter of minutes, and nothing in the multitude of threads that very much merit her attention the last several months. I directed her attention elsewhere in that thread, but apparently a mod thought that was in bad taste.

Anyways, draw your own conclusions.

Painbringer · Aug 12, 2009, 01:28 AM // 01:28

I hope a A-net person posts some sort of reassuring post on gw2

Konig Des Todes · Aug 12, 2009, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Targren

You can't talk about NCSoft and Anet like they're different companies. They are not. ArenaNet is wholly owned by NCSoft. "NCSoft West" is the division of NCSoft charged with governing all of NCSoft's European and American subsidiaries including Arenanet

This is only the beginning.

*facepalm* Owned by != same as. Though I suppose to a degree, it is can be seen as an issue of opinion to some, such as whether you consider Anet employees NCSoft employees. I personally wouldn't, as, say, Linsey Murdock doesn't do work for NCSoft, but does work for Arena Net - but is payed by and resourced by NCSoft. I.e., Arena Net is sponsored by NCSoft, but not is NCSoft. Though it seems you, Targren, would think they are one in the same...

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Originally Posted by ~Grogs~

Companies don't miss opportunites to get marketing milage out of high level strategic internal transfers.

It's a huge leap to go from a publicly released statement saying an employee has left a company (and they wish him all the best in his future endeavours, yadda, yadda), and take from that he's reemployed / still employed by one of their subsidiaries?

I was merely pointing out the wording and bringing up the possibility.

Legendm · Aug 12, 2009, 01:31 AM // 01:31

This doesn't change much in my opinion. We are all still waiting for some GW2, though some more than others (you know who you are), and now we're still waiting. Nothings changed.

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Originally Posted by Socrates The Mauler

I'm glad he left. Maybe now GW2 will shed it's Magic: The Gathering like shackles, and turn into something cool and unique, something worth playing for 5 plus years.

There's this thing called 'a life', I suggest you get one.

Chocobo1 · Aug 12, 2009, 01:39 AM // 01:39

I check back in this topic and surprise surprise, no Anet employee finds it important to shed any light about this. You'd think the main developer behind Guild Wars leaving deserves some kind of post from someone in the know.

YunSooJin · Aug 12, 2009, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

I check back in this topic and surprise surprise, no Anet employee finds it important to shed any light about this. You'd think the main developer behind Guild Wars leaving deserves some kind of post from someone in the know.

doesn't make sense ANET employees would talk about a sensitive subject matter since PR has already released what it wants to release, unless you're suggesting they should just speak out of turn and risk getting fired for being a moron.

fog_of_redoubt · Aug 12, 2009, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

*facepalm* Owned by != same as. Though I suppose to a degree, it is can be seen as an issue of opinion to some, such as whether you consider Anet employees NCSoft employees. I personally wouldn't, as, say, Linsey Murdock doesn't do work for NCSoft, but does work for Arena Net - but is payed by and resourced by NCSoft. I.e., Arena Net is sponsored by NCSoft, but not is NCSoft. Though it seems you, Targren, would think they are one in the same...

I was merely pointing out the wording and bringing up the possibility.

Konig,

Do you have any idea what a wholly owned subsidiary is? Who do you think Linseys boss answers to? Who do you think looks at ArenaNets financial statements? Who do you think approves ArenaNets budgets for running the company and hiring people?

Dude you have obviously not worked in the corporate world at any significant level if you don't understand these basic concepts.

I think you need to let your theories go. Go play some GW, work on a title or something.

Chilly Ress · Aug 12, 2009, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Konig,

Do you realize that he departed on amicable terms? Do you realize they bid him farewell? Do you realize that they wished him best of luck on his future endeavors?

Jeff Strain and David Reid are done with NCSoft and ArenaNet.

Regardless, I doubt either of them have been at the head of development of Guild Wars since its launch. I'm also sure that there is an entire team of dedicated individuals working relentlessly to make Guild Wars 2 a successful, and more importantly for them, a profitable MMO.

All this doom and gloom is wild speculation anyways.

Leigh The Legendary · Aug 12, 2009, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

you mean GW2 was just vaporware? ohh okay

This is all

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quietkitten · Aug 12, 2009, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Kuntz

I'm not really taking anyone's side, I'm just looking at it logically. Even if Rick was fired, he made his choice/mistake by publicly telling people he left on his own accord. He shouldn't have done that (if he really was fired). And based on how shatty Tabula Rasa was, I wouldn't be surprised if he was fired. That game was awful.

Kuntz, we already discussed this so this is going to sound redundant: ultimately a court may decide that being told "get out or we'll fire you" equates to "you're fired," thereby rendering the termination involuntary. Garriott's still an idiot if he didn't get anything in writing, which according to his complaint, he didn't. Although to be fair NCSoft certainly had MOTIVE to fire the guy, as you pointed out. Just look at WHEN the stock price started going up.

As to how it'll fall out-- My guess is that it's ALREADY fallen out. No other filings have been made on the case (last I checked, about a month ago) and NCSoft's answer/alternative motion was due in May or early June if I remember correctly. So it's likely that it's already settled.

The stock option discussion was more to point out information about employment contracts that most people don't understand, and based on some of the attacks I got after that post, I was right.

No idea about the Jeff Strain thing though.

Regina Buenaobra · Aug 12, 2009, 02:01 AM // 02:01

Hi, everyone. Just wanted to point you in the direction of a wiki post made by our head of studio to address this:

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Jeff's departure

Hi all,

I wanted to take a moment to offer my personal note on Jeff's departure.

Jeff is a personal friend of mine. We worked together very closely from the time he joined Blizzard in 1996, through our founding of ArenaNet in 2000, until he left ArenaNet to join NCsoft West in 2008. I'm sad to see him leaving NCsoft now. We remain good friends and I wish him great success in his next endeavor.

It's important to understand that ArenaNet is a separate and self-contained development studio. Jeff hasn't been involved in the day-to-day development of Guild Wars 2 since he left ArenaNet more than a year ago, and I don't expect his departure to have a direct impact on our studio or on Guild Wars 2. I continue to lead ArenaNet, and I'm not going anywhere.

We have an amazing team here at ArenaNet, and we continue to work hard on Guild Wars 2, preparing for the day when we can first reveal it to the world. That day is coming very soon now. I'm confident that, when you see Guild Wars 2 for the first time, you're going to love what you see, and any worries you have about its development will fade away.

--Mike O'Brien 01:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

connor nightwind · Aug 12, 2009, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Is it just me, or does that sound like they are going to announce gw2 release at Pax? God, please let it be so...

Konig Des Todes · Aug 12, 2009, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

Konig,

Do you have any idea what a wholly owned subsidiary is? Who do you think Linseys boss answers to? Who do you think looks at ArenaNets financial statements? Who do you think approves ArenaNets budgets for running the company and hiring people?

Dude you have obviously not worked in the corporate world at any significant level if you don't understand these basic concepts.

I won't deny that I'm no business major, and have not (as of yet at least) dealt with any corporate business myself, however everything you said only tells me what I said. They are not the same. Arena Net is a part of NCSoft, but when you say which company one works for, do you say one works for Arena Net, or NCSoft, if they only do work which is Arena Net's focus (i.e., Guild Wars)?

One can still work for Arena Net, while not directly working for NCSoft. Which is what I was meaning. (Though now I am getting more and more tired and am unsure if my thoughts are being correctly and easily conveyed).

Edit: But now reading Regina's post, I think it's time for me to sleep.