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Cacheelma · Jul 30, 2009, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by la_cabra_de_vida

We are not entitled to anything from anet, be that screenshots, news, or videos.

Because Blizzard and Bioware owe their community all kinds of things, be it screenshots, news, videos, web-comics, concept arts, etc, right?

Tahlia Tane · Jul 30, 2009, 08:26 AM // 08:26

I don't see how ArenaNet not giving out info is them handling the situation badly. Games that are quite some time away should be kept under wraps. It makes the wait much, much easier. Well, maybe not easier. But the wait is extremely hard if a lot of stuff is revealed and you can't wait to play it. It's really awful...

I do kind of wish we had much more info, of course. But then it would be difficult to wait! It's a dilemma.

JR · Jul 30, 2009, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein

You should know me better Dan...

Apologies Martin, I seem to have developed an ability to phrase everything I write in the most negative light. I'll work on that.

Firstly, as I edited into my post after Inde's comment, I absolutely do expect solid info on GW2 before the end of this year. There's no way I think you would be happy with anything less either.

My point was simply that you are intelligent enough to know not to give specifics. You wouldn't have made a promise that didn't give you flexibility in how you met with it. I'm also sure you weighed in your mind the benefit and impact giving that promise would have.

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 30, 2009, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

You got it wrong RR, people write on these forums the way they do (me included) REGARDLESS of whether Anet can see what we are writing or not. We don't sugar-coat our words the way you might've liked not because we don't think Anet could see. We do it the way we do because that's what we want to communicate. It's that simple.

Little/no response might discourage people from posting more. After all, why bother? Some will still continue and post, though. But when most people don't see the point of posting here and leave, the community we have here will die a bleeding death. Look what happened to TGH and its PvP community.

Or better, ask Lonesamurai.

Again the forum community while vocal and knowledgeable, is a small part of those who play the game. Please don't assume that I want things sugar-coated, but at the same time the constant whining of some on the forums does no good for anyone. I find it funny that the people in my alliance, the ones who play the most, hardly have anything to do with any forum. I have no entitlement because I post. I am no better than those who don't. Maybe if people played more or found something else to play we would have less time to dwell on when GW2 will be released.

Ravious · Jul 30, 2009, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by JR

Apologies Martin, I seem to have developed an ability to phrase everything I write in the most negative light. I'll work on that.

There is an xkcd on every point.

JR · Jul 30, 2009, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Again the forum community while vocal and knowledgeable, is a small part of those who play the game. Please don't assume that I want things sugar-coated, but at the same time the constant whining of some on the forums does no good for anyone. I find it funny that the people in my alliance, the ones who play the most, hardly have anything to do with any forum. I have no entitlement because I post. I am no better than those who don't. Maybe if people played more or found something else to play we would have less time to dwell on when GW2 will be released.

"Forum communities are a vocal minority." Such a worn out argument.

I direct you to this article.

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Originally Posted by Ravious

There is an xkcd on every point.

Haha, indeed.

...Wait... what are you trying to imply...

zwei2stein · Jul 30, 2009, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by la_cabra_de_vida

We are not entitled to anything from anet, be that screenshots, news, or videos.

But it is in their best interest to make people interested in game.

Forum community might be small part of whole player base, but it is most visible.

If someone puts "Guild Wars" to google, guru is the only forum on first result page and one of contributing reasons to buy/not buy gw. Quick check on forums will reveal state of game. It sends message to anyone unfamiliar with game and right now message is "devs gave up"

For example, if I search for "Guildwars", and get localized results, third result is http://guildwars.cz/ - PvP based fansite, once quite big and quite active, "serious business is here", making custom tournaments and whatnot.

Last news on frontpage is from 2008, more than year ago. If anyone sees this while doing quick checkup he can say that game is deader than disco and will steer away from it.

Do devs want this? Do they really want to look like they are pushing vaporware sequel to dead game?

Or do they want people busy creating 100 page threads while fansite front pages are full of recent articles?

Konig Des Todes · Jul 30, 2009, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by la_cabra_de_vida

We are not entitled to anything from anet, be that screenshots, news, or videos.

Entitled? No. That's why I don't have a problem with it. However, as said, it is in their best interest to keep players hooked. But it would also be in their best interest to not give out "brand new gaming ideas" - which they don't have to. However, they could give information without such. Although by looking at Aion's lore, even if Anet gave out GW2 lore, it would get stolen (Aion's background lore is very similar to GW's lore, from what I've both seen and heard - heck, from the videos, it looks like an Asian version of what I'd expect GW2 to be!). *cough*

So releasing info, even lore, seems to have draw backs, as does not releasing. In a way, it's a lose-lose situation. /shrug

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 30, 2009, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by JR

"Forum communities are a vocal minority." Such a worn out argument.

I direct you to this article.

Haha, indeed.

...Wait... what are you trying to imply...

A blog is just one persons opinion no better or worse than yours or mine. Depending on your point of view you will either agree or disagree with that blog.

Mordakai · Jul 30, 2009, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

You got it wrong RR, people write on these forums the way they do (me included) REGARDLESS of whether Anet can see what we are writing or not. We don't sugar-coat our words the way you might've liked not because we don't think Anet could see. We do it the way we do because that's what we want to communicate. It's that simple.

Little/no reponse might discourage people from posting more. After all, why bother? Some will still continue and post, though. But when most people don't see the point of posting here and leave, the community we have here will die a bleeding death. Look what happened to TGH and its PvP community.

Or better, ask Lonesamurai.

Funny, I see on the main page TGH is hosting a reboot party.

Maybe that's a bad thing to you. It's probably a good thing for the community at large, however...

which brings me back to the point of this discussion:

ArenaNet has decided (or, more likely, NCSoft has decided) not to release any further information about GW2 at this time.

Reading between the lines of Martin and Regina, it sounds like they want to.

Seems best at this point to just wait and see what info comes out at the end of this year. I'm confident that any perceived damage can be undone.

Ghost Omel · Jul 30, 2009, 02:25 PM // 14:25

You also must understand its easy being on the side-lines and telling others what to do. Like sitting infront of the TV and watching a WW2 footage and telling soldiers which way to go and how to shoot, But when put into the same situation but in person the chump craps his pants and starts to folow orders .

Same thing here we all say what they should do but many of these 'do this" sayers have no idea or knowladge of bussiness world once-so-ever and just say their "right" moves based on silly assumptions

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 30, 2009, 02:33 PM // 14:33

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Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

You also must understand its easy being on the side-lines and telling others what to do. Like sitting infront of the TV and watching a WW2 footage and telling soldiers which way to go and how to shoot, But when put into the same situation but in person the chump craps his pants and starts to folow orders .

Same thing here we all say what they should do but many of these 'do this" sayers have no idea or knowladge of bussiness world once-so-ever and just say their "right" moves based on silly assumptions

Just my point, let ANET carry out their business plan. I may agree or disagree with what they are doing, but I have no right to tell them how to run their business. When GW2 is released we let ANET know if they were right or wrong
by whether we purchase or not.

Bbickford · Jul 30, 2009, 09:41 PM // 21:41

I think they are handling this very badly. For many players GWs has become boring. I only log on to see if any of my old friends are on, or if my friend has left me a message in our guild announcement. A lot of players have left and are playing different games. Maybe they intend to come back and play GWs 2 when it comes out, but if they are involved in another game, and have made new friends then chances are they will not come back. By not giving us info about GWs 2 people are not staying interested in it and the original GuildWars, and like I said are leaving for other games.

I would get more titles if I had more information than that they will do "something" or give some benefit. Right now I feel like they are not worth my time, cause they are boring to get, and are all pretty much a grind. Right now I don't think they will do much, because new players to GWs 2 would be at a disadvantage. Will probably just be some more words under your name that people can see, and be like "wow you played GWs 1 a lot"... big deal.

scruffy · Jul 30, 2009, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Anet doesn't have to give out any information and you will all still buy the game. You're already hooked and you don't know it, otherwise you wouldn't be posting here.

Mordakai · Jul 31, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Bbickford

I think they are handling this very badly. For many players GWs has become boring. I only log on to see if any of my old friends are on, or if my friend has left me a message in our guild announcement. A lot of players have left and are playing different games. Maybe they intend to come back and play GWs 2 when it comes out, but if they are involved in another game, and have made new friends then chances are they will not come back. By not giving us info about GWs 2 people are not staying interested in it and the original GuildWars, and like I said are leaving for other games.

I would get more titles if I had more information than that they will do "something" or give some benefit. Right now I feel like they are not worth my time, cause they are boring to get, and are all pretty much a grind. Right now I don't think they will do much, because new players to GWs 2 would be at a disadvantage. Will probably just be some more words under your name that people can see, and be like "wow you played GWs 1 a lot"... big deal.

I think that was the initial philosophy around PvE Guild Wars. It was designed to play until you finished the Missions, then you pick up the newest Chapter 6-months later. It was not supposed to be endless grind....

All the grind is there because some players demanded it. And like you say, the HoM will probably just be a "wow you played GWs 1 a lot" benefit.

I took practically a year off playing Guild Wars until the April update, and I'll probably take more time off before GW2 comes out. I have no idea how many titles or how full my HoM will be, I don't have any hardset goals. I'm just trying to have fun, and the minute it stops being fun, and becomes "work" is when I quit playing.

hurdlebeast · Jul 31, 2009, 03:34 PM // 15:34

The way I see it is this: if you are that starved for GW2 news, and if it means that much to you, you may need to step back from the game for a while. Yes, I know it's exciting that a new Guild Wars is coming out. I'm going to buy it as soon as it comes out, like most of us. But to demand news from the developer is kinda crazy, don't you think? For now, just relax, have some fun with Guild Wars 1, and if it starts to bore you, pick up another game for a while. I took about 6 months off to play some WoW, and as great as a game that is, it got boring for me after a while. I came back to play some Guild Wars (new character, new beginnings) and it has been a blast.

So, just chill everyone, we'll find out more news as Anet releases it, and nothing we can do will make them go any faster

Wuhy · Aug 10, 2009, 08:48 PM // 20:48

they CANT give us info because of aion, after aion, they will. im sure they would give us info if they could but they rather dont make ppl wait for gw2 yet, so they can buy aion now and gw2 later making ncsoft happier

its the best they can do now, im sure we would have screenshots and stuff if there wouldn't be an inhouse title with very similar target market, they could still give us the info bomb like they want now in the end of the year but make us calmer with info swarming

Aljasha · Aug 11, 2009, 06:41 PM // 18:41

erm, what?

Guild Wars 2 (gamescom-Trailer)
Freigegeben ab 6 Jahren gemäß § 14 JuSchG Publisher: NCsoft Europe Ltd.
Altersfreigabe: Freigegeben ab 6 Jahren gemäß § 14 JuSchG
Prüfdatum: 06.08.2009 USK Nr.: 25599/09
Sprache: englisch System: PC
Genre: Trailer Untergenre:

source: http://usk.de/
click on "Prüfdatenbank" and type "guild wars" below "Titel:"...

RbX · Aug 11, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Seems like we get to see something after all on the GamesCom in cologne. If thats the case we will also see something on PAX.

Ravious · Aug 11, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Oh wow. I wonder if that is some kind of certification to publish the trailer in Germany (they have lots of silly rules, like no blood, etc.). Could that be the thing we get this year?

(Mythic actually had a very cut trailer for WAR, initially. The NA version made much more sense.)