Curse

keli · Aug 30, 2009, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selket

So I guess things I did to hold halls clearly never happened?

Tease claim resource, micro weapons, micro roj to actually kill things?

Nope never did those, it can't be possible. I guess I've never played with heroes before.

These are not a big deal to do actually. Interrupting a 3sec skill with a Hero is not a big accomplishment when you mainly focus on it. Microing roj should not be perfect you just press it and do your combo. Microing weapons? I'm sure Gwen catches spikes far better with weapons than you.

You just don't understand that if you bring a hero you abuse its assets (interrupts, AoE awareness, spike predictability...) to win the battles, not that you micro it good..

OP: If you want to play "Who can exploit heroes more" then go to HB (you have one more month).

Usually heroplayers are pretty bad.. Their heroes carry them to victory not their skill this is why they should be removed.

Nowadays with observer mode Guild Wars is about using your skillbar correctly (+tactics+blahblah+buildwars ) and not about creating that skillbar so don't come with this "explotigin hero ai takes skill" shit.

I just don't know why some people can't understand this game is about PvP not about Player versus exploited OP ai + bad players.

Jeydra · Aug 30, 2009, 09:54 AM // 09:54

@above - if you really believe that, then nerf hero AI, not remove them from PvP.

keli · Aug 30, 2009, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Then we would achieve the same as now but with less dev time so it might be a solution(but don't nerf pve heroes!!).

Selket · Aug 30, 2009, 05:23 PM // 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by keli

These are not a big deal to do actually. Interrupting a 3sec skill with a Hero is not a big accomplishment when you mainly focus on it. Microing roj should not be perfect you just press it and do your combo. Microing weapons? I'm sure Gwen catches spikes far better with weapons than you.

You just don't understand that if you bring a hero you abuse its assets (interrupts, AoE awareness, spike predictability...) to win the battles, not that you micro it good..

OP: If you want to play "Who can exploit heroes more" then go to HB (you have one more month).

Usually heroplayers are pretty bad.. Their heroes carry them to victory not their skill this is why they should be removed.

Nowadays with observer mode Guild Wars is about using your skillbar correctly (+tactics+blahblah+buildwars ) and not about creating that skillbar so don't come with this "explotigin hero ai takes skill" shit.

I just don't know why some people can't understand this game is about PvP not about Player versus exploited OP ai + bad players.

Sounds like you're just really bad and don't like being replaced by a hero that can play better than you can. Especially since your argument went from PEOPLE DUN MICRO AT ALL to "o ya they micro its not hard". I'm sure I've won more halls matches with my tengu hat than the amount of times you've even made it to halls.

Borat_Best_Player · Aug 30, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

The first, and yet strongest arguement that makes all others obsolete:

It's PLAYER vs PLAYER.

No matter how good, or bad heroes are, No matter how much, or few people there are playing, If PvP becomes PvAI, it obviously is no longer PvP, but rather PvE.

(Don't compare this to NPC's - They have set "weak" bars, and little effect on the match in the longer run )

AI does not belong in PvP, ESPECIALLY NOT if it can determine the out come of the match...

keli · Aug 30, 2009, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selket

Sounds like you're just really bad and don't like being replaced by a hero that can play better than you can. Especially since your argument went from PEOPLE DUN MICRO AT ALL to "o ya they micro its not hard". I'm sure I've won more halls matches with my tengu hat than the amount of times you've even made it to halls.

I am sure you have more hours played in HA because I don't really like it..

And yes, a Tease hero is better than me with that bar.

"Selket, Do you really think they herowayers micro their smiter hero, (max 1 skill, so hard...), hexer hero, me/rt tease hero?...
Don't make a joke of yourself please.."

Okay maybe I shoul've written that max. 1 skill at every hero in a 1 minute period. >< sorry

^Very true.

Selket · Aug 30, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

So why should your opinion matter if you don't even play HA? The people that do well with heroes micro them often. The bad/mediocre players do not, and lose much more often.

kazjun · Aug 31, 2009, 12:05 AM // 00:05

They're pretty much removing AI from pvp completely. After all, how long do you think the henchies can stand up before an update breaks them and they become dead weight? Or do you really think they'll set aside a guy to go over hench skill bars after every update? Though I guess with the new rate of updates this can get drawn out a bit.

superraptors · Aug 31, 2009, 04:13 AM // 04:13

be happy that anet is making new henchman instead of removing every form of AI in pvp,

scrubs

Makkert · Aug 31, 2009, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Gwen owns you.
spread the word.

I'm suprised that this is causing so much upset.

Snow Bunny · Aug 31, 2009, 06:28 AM // 06:28

It's called "Player versus Player" for a reason.

Shoo away now, y'hear?

IMMORTAlMITCH · Aug 31, 2009, 06:49 AM // 06:49

The reason heroes shouldn't be in PvP is because of their effectiveness at playing 'gimmicky' shit like smiters and N/Rt healers or Me/Rt healers with interrupts.

The reason henchmen should is because it allows you to quickly grab one and enter an AT match when someone happens to drop 10 seconds before the match (not a rare occurence, trust me).

That being said it's not hugely important what bars the henchmen have.

keli · Aug 31, 2009, 07:31 AM // 07:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selket

So why should your opinion matter if you don't even play HA? The people that do well with heroes micro them often. The bad/mediocre players do not, and lose much more often.

Because I stopped playing HA when the meta was 2 assassins +4smiters+2monks and every RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing team ran this build with heroes and every match lasted for 15+minutes. From this on I mainly focus on GvG.

Daesu · Aug 31, 2009, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

It's called "Player versus Player" for a reason.

Shoo away now, y'hear?

And the new henchmen are "players"? Right...

This update doesn't make sense either way.