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r0bert8841 · Sep 01, 2009, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by superraptors

ehhh, you probably fail at HB so stop shitting on it.
How would ab rival gvg, its full of pvers farming for outposts. It's popular in the sense that you and the rest of the 90% of guildwars is pvers.
It's pretty much got a tournament implementation of which ever alliance has the most faction control an outpost.

If anything they shoulda removed that instead of ta and hb, if they wanted to make pvp better.

o yea, dont critisize the format without have playing it.

LOL if AB had tournament support all the PvE'rs would be gone after a few weeks do to meta builds broken format and losing every game. Same story evrywhere you go.

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by superraptors

ehhh, you probably fail at HB so stop shitting on it.
How would ab rival gvg, its full of pvers farming for outposts. It's popular in the sense that you and the rest of the 90% of guildwars is pvers.
It's pretty much got a tournament implementation of which ever alliance has the most faction control an outpost.

If anything they shoulda removed that instead of ta and hb, if they wanted to make pvp better.

o yea, dont critisize the format without have playing it.

HB would be completely empty if not for its tournament support. AB is generally considered a low level pvp form because it is not particularly competitive. however, add in tournament support with in game prizes, and its overall level of play will shoot up literally overnight.

don't believe me? let's imagine HB without tournament support shall we? close your eyes and imagine. what do you see? i see an empty outpost.

Black Sewon · Sep 01, 2009, 01:30 AM // 01:30

so... Moriz, so what rewards do you get from playing GW? you have to understand that people are playing game for fun. tournament support? that is a option for hb players who likes to play. Now they want to remove hb, not tournament from hb.

Tearz1993 · Sep 01, 2009, 01:32 AM // 01:32

The reason people WANT HB to be deleted is because they see it as the only way to get the 4v4 sealed deck created.

Because, you know, they obviously can't enlarge the map.

IrishX · Sep 01, 2009, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Anet may have had coding issues while removing heroes from Tombs and GvG (I'm not really sure if this is possible, as I know nothing about code, it's just a theory). If the code says that everything in X area=PvP, and they do not have specifications for HA, GvG, HB, etc, then they may have had issues keeping them in HB (which, for the purpose of this theory=PvP), as well as removing them from GvG and Tombs (which is also tagged as PvP). The only arguement I can think of against this (if this is a possible problem) is that TA has never allowed heroes, but that never allowed NPCs in the first place, HA, GvG, and HB may have an NPC value of 1, which TA has an NPC value of 0, and Anet does not have a specification for Heroes and Henchmen.

If someone who knows more about this field can confirm or deny, I, and probably some others, would be incredibly happy. Especially me, since I am almost never right about this kind of stuff.

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by Black Sewon

so... Moriz, so what rewards do you get from playing GW? you have to understand that people are playing game for fun. tournament support? that is a option for hb players who likes to play and now they want to remove that.

yep, people play for fun. personally, i see absolutely nothing fun about HB. it ultimately broils down to who can abuse the retarded AI the best. at least with AB, i'm still playing with and against other people.

and i'd think the community at large generally agrees with me. HB, despite with tournament support and tangible prizes, remains a very sparsely populated outpost. if i have to delete a pvp form for whatever reason, HB would be the first on my list. it is, after all, the least popular arena.

personally, Anet is removing HB not because they don't like it. i suspect the real reason is that they are also trying to get rid of heroes in pvp, and having a pvp arena that's based on heroes would result in some rather messy coding. given how poor Anet's QA is, i can't really blame them for reducing as many variables as possible.

EDIT: IrishX is likely right. Anet want to take the quick and easy way out by flagging all pvp arenas as no heroes, and HB would need to be an exception to the rule. that could potentially lead to some seriously broken shit down the line.

E_M_P · Sep 01, 2009, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by moriz

yep, people play for fun. personally, i see absolutely nothing fun about HB. it ultimately broils down to who can abuse the retarded AI the best. at least with AB, i'm still playing with and against other people.

Just because you do not find it fun, does not mean other players find it fun either. Who are you, or Anet, or any one but ourselves to judge what is fun in the game? Even though there are AI abuses in HB, there are many well played HB matches that are actually fun and exciting to both play and watch. If you are to mention abuses, there are abuses in all of GW. AB has NPC duping abuse, Kanyon map walk over wall abuse, RA has bots farming title, GvG has people abusing a whole variety of things. The only difference is that Anet failed to take action on the issues in HB, and as a result, HB becomes broken as you say it is. Now, Anet wants to remove HB despite largely ignoring players suggestions/ideas/feedbacks over the past 2yrs on how to improve HB?

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Originally Posted by moriz

and i'd think the community at large generally agrees with me. HB, despite with tournament support and tangible prizes, remains a very sparsely populated outpost. if i have to delete a pvp form for whatever reason, HB would be the first on my list. it is, after all, the least popular arena.

Simply because it is not as popular as other formats, does not justify its removal. The HB community may be small, but it has some dedicated players. We are all players who play the game, why deny the HB community of their significance simply because there is fewer people? Not caring/does not like HB is a weak argument to defend the removal of HB. I know many PvE players who does not care/like PvP, does that mean Anet should remove PvP as well?

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 02:17 AM // 02:17

if you truly feel this way, then convincing me is not going to do anything. you can try your luck and convince ANet.

like i said above, part of the reason for HB removal is likely technical. but still, if given limited resources, and having to remove an arena to better manage those resources (Anet's words, not mine), i'd cut HB every single time.

Talania Vulcanclaw · Sep 01, 2009, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by moriz

HB would be completely empty if not for its tournament support. AB is generally considered a low level pvp form because it is not particularly competitive. however, add in tournament support with in game prizes, and its overall level of play will shoot up literally overnight.

don't believe me? let's imagine HB without tournament support shall we? close your eyes and imagine. what do you see? i see an empty outpost.

Without tournament support, without ladder, without obby. I see....Greater variety of builds. No dual melders (That is designed for winning matches whilst boring the crap out of yourself) More players in the format due to less lame (Since no rating gain/loss you can show more bravery and not run prison builds.) No need to try and build wars other guy in tourney. Noway to send messages to anet via account names and leaving mAT final.

Now what do I see when I close my eyes and think of an AB tourney............OW OW OUCH MY EYES ARE BLEEDING!!!!

Tearz1993 · Sep 01, 2009, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by IrishX

Anet may have had coding issues while removing heroes from Tombs and GvG (I'm not really sure if this is possible, as I know nothing about code, it's just a theory). If the code says that everything in X area=PvP, and they do not have specifications for HA, GvG, HB, etc, then they may have had issues keeping them in HB (which, for the purpose of this theory=PvP), as well as removing them from GvG and Tombs (which is also tagged as PvP). The only arguement I can think of against this (if this is a possible problem) is that TA has never allowed heroes, but that never allowed NPCs in the first place, HA, GvG, and HB may have an NPC value of 1, which TA has an NPC value of 0, and Anet does not have a specification for Heroes and Henchmen.

You can only bring 2 heroes into HA, but yeah I think otherwise you're pretty spot on. It's a blanket removal of heroes.

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

Now what do I see when I close my eyes and think of an AB tourney............OW OW OUCH MY EYES ARE BLEEDING!!!!

I think you missed the point.

Black Sewon · Sep 01, 2009, 02:20 AM // 02:20

I agree that Anet trying to get rid of heroes in pvp, but what hb players are trying to say is that it's too late for remove it (if they wanted to remove it then hb shouldn't be exsist at the first place but sorry its been over 2 years already) GW2 is comming soon and for the most hb players, hb is only reason that they're playing for this game. so is it ok to get rid of hb with people who playing hb? since this is the least popular arena? I can see on your reply that you don't like hb at all and many people are exciting about to see the new fromat of pvp. hb and ta players would been excited as much as you guys do if they didn't say anything about remove them. what would you do if they're trying to get rid of something that you been playing for 2 years? say yay? I hope you guys understand this, why? beucase we need more support from you guys to save hb and ta.

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

Without tournament support, without ladder, without obby. I see....Greater variety of builds. No dual melders (That is designed for winning matches whilst boring the crap out of yourself) More players in the format due to less lame (Since no rating gain/loss you can show more bravery and not run prison builds.) No need to try and build wars other guy in tourney. Noway to send messages to anet via account names and leaving mAT final.

Now what do I see when I close my eyes and think of an AB tourney............OW OW OUCH MY EYES ARE BLEEDING!!!!

your self delusions are very funny. please, keep it up for my entertainment.

Talania Vulcanclaw · Sep 01, 2009, 02:24 AM // 02:24

ok as long as you continue to suggest stupid things like an AB tournament, I'll try my best.

Question: Would you be instantly able to enter this AB tourney or would the counter have to count down from 30 to 0 and then repeat that cycle 15 times before you enter it? Just curious...

E_M_P · Sep 01, 2009, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by moriz

if you truly feel this way, then convincing me is not going to do anything. you can try your luck and convince ANet.

A petition is already made in the HvH section to try and convince Anet to rethink its decision on removing HB.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10398610

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

ok as long as you continue to suggest stupid things like an AB tournament, I'll try my best.

an AB tournament would be no less stupid than a HB tournament. it would likely be better, since the format is (surprisingly enough) better conceived and executed.

you may insert your self delusions below.

EDIT: nevermind! you've managed to insert your self delusions ABOVE! very clever of you. please, continue. it is so very fun to see you thrash around like a drowning animal.

Talania Vulcanclaw · Sep 01, 2009, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Did you get that word from you psychiatrist?

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 02:32 AM // 02:32

no, i got it from the education that you do not have. zinnngggggg.

please, resorting to baseless insults is fun and all, but i think you don't want to play this game with me. it might ruin whatever self respect you still possess.