Curse

ArlanKels · Aug 30, 2009, 11:50 PM // 23:50

I've been pondering for a while now what conditions are the best ones to latch onto an enemy.

To that end I looked up all the information on them available, and then noticed that Cracked Armor was listed as having an inability to lower Armor below 60.

So that means it's probably worthless outside of the high-level and perhaps Hard Mode endgame, right?

But the damage boost listed when causing cracked armor was something like 20% more or something like that, if used against something with at least 80 Armor Rating.

Is that actually accurate? And is it worth using it, or is Cracked Armor in the end poo poo la poo?

zelgadissan · Aug 31, 2009, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Personally I love being able to give Cracked Armor. If it's PvE, anything above level 20 has more than 60 armor, so knocking them down to that level (or -20, whichever) is a very noticeable bump in damage. TBH if my team is running significant amounts of armor-based damage, I would rather give Cracked Armor than a Deep Wound.

If it's PvP, every profession carries a defensive set. Being able to ignore that extra armor on your spikes makes it that much easier to land kills. That said, if you can't kill fast, the RC will love you, so it's a mixed bag.

Dzjudz · Aug 31, 2009, 01:05 AM // 01:05

In general, -20 armor means an increase of damage by around 40% (mostly physical and elemental damage and not armor ignoring damage).

Reverend Dr · Aug 31, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22

In PvP the most overpowered condition is deep wound. It is an instant 100 damage, or 1/6 of a person's total health at once.

The second most powerful condition is cracked armor, it amplifies all damage and by a significant margin. While it won't lower armor below 60, in pvp no one ever runs just 60 armor on a caster. We are in a huge personal defense meta where everyone gets as much + defense and stances as they can, someone with just 60 armor is going to drop fast and often anyway.

Lishy · Aug 31, 2009, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Cracked armor especially shines in HM where enemies have insane amounts of armor.

Catchphrase · Aug 31, 2009, 05:01 AM // 05:01

It bypass the pesky disciple insignia.

Sarevok Thordin · Aug 31, 2009, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

In PvP the most overpowered condition is deep wound. It is an instant 100 damage, or 1/6 of a person's total health at once.

The second most powerful condition is cracked armor, it amplifies all damage and by a significant margin. While it won't lower armor below 60, in pvp no one ever runs just 60 armor on a caster. We are in a huge personal defense meta where everyone gets as much + defense and stances as they can, someone with just 60 armor is going to drop fast and often anyway.

Actually, Daze is the most powerful because of it's ability to wreck a caster's ability to use almost any skills.

Anyway, CA isn't really that bad, it's just hard to apply, skills that use it don't have synergising skills in the same profession (Like the Warrior skills that use it, and warriors cannot apply CA themselves).

Reverend Dr · Aug 31, 2009, 06:56 AM // 06:56

Daze is gimmicky garbage and has very little offensive power, while cracked armor can significantly amplify damage.

Any monk that dies to daze is either garbage or unsupported by his team, most likely both.

EPO Bot · Aug 31, 2009, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Daze is gimmicky garbage and has very little offensive power, while cracked armor can significantly amplify damage.

Any monk that dies to daze is either garbage or unsupported by his team, most likely both.

That's like saying you should bring a better helmet if you die from taking a bullet between the eyes. When used at the right moment, daze is totally broken. Otherwise it wont do that much tough.

keli · Aug 31, 2009, 07:27 AM // 07:27

Daze is pretty useless if the healer monk has draw condition. (99% have it)

refer · Aug 31, 2009, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by keli

Daze is pretty useless if the healer monk has draw condition. (99% have it)

You can say the same to any condition then.

keli · Aug 31, 2009, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by refer

You can say the same to any condition then.

Nope because actually daze causing skills are very expensive and hard to hit while you can spam craked armor or blind or weakness etc..

EPO Bot · Aug 31, 2009, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by keli

Nope because actually daze causing skills are very expensive and hard to hit while you can spam craked armor or blind or weakness etc..

Thats why timing is key.

Devika · Aug 31, 2009, 10:22 AM // 10:22

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Originally Posted by keli

Nope because actually daze causing skills are very expensive and hard to hit while you can spam craked armor or blind or weakness etc..

Has it ever occured to you that they are expensive and hard to hit because they can be so devastating when used to good effect?

superraptors · Aug 31, 2009, 10:46 AM // 10:46

cause daze is awesome in pve doesnt mean its awesome for pvp, i think the pvers can stop posting about pvp making yourself look bad

Devika · Aug 31, 2009, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by superraptors

cause daze is awesome in pve doesnt mean its awesome for pvp, i think the pvers can stop posting about pvp making yourself look bad

Except this is a thread about Cracked Armour in PvE and Daze in PvP has no place here anyway, right?

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Originally Posted by ArlanKels

So that means it's probably worthless outside of the high-level and perhaps Hard Mode endgame, right?

DarkGanni · Aug 31, 2009, 11:17 AM // 11:17

It's not totally poo imo. Eles benefit from it in HM.

keli · Aug 31, 2009, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by Devika

Has it ever occured to you that they are expensive and hard to hit because they can be so devastating when used to good effect?

Please, please why do you post when you don't understand what I am saying?

Pathetic...

Devika · Aug 31, 2009, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by keli

Please, please why do you post when you don't understand what I am saying?

Pathetic...

I understand exactly what you are saying, I just happen to disagree with you.

Keep the petty insults out of the conversation, thanks.

zelgadissan · Aug 31, 2009, 01:23 PM // 13:23

Daze being powerful in RA != Daze being powerful in PvP.

Anyway this is getting ridiculously off-topic - I maintain that Cracked Armor is amazing and probably the most underrated condition out there as a whole.