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payne · Aug 30, 2009, 01:45 PM // 13:45

or an Ebay account lol...just buy the gold and get a runner for all the vanqs / guardian stuff as many noobs seem to be doing at the moment....

PLAY THE GAME - dont pay to AFK and get someone to run EVERY mission and vanquish for you - why buy a game if thats all your gonna do?

Malice Black · Aug 30, 2009, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Someone is asspainted that he doesn't have his own GWAMM B)
If you have enough TALENT and SKILL you'll get it, don't worry. And then you'll join us GWAMM players on the golden pedestal of GW community, junior.

Don't be silly. GWAMM just announces you don't leave the house much.

dunky_g · Aug 30, 2009, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Don't be silly. GWAMM just announces you don't leave the house much.

True that.

A good GW player is someone who doesnt take the game too srs, and can have a laugh while playing and doesnt rage over every little thing.

They should also be able to laugh at them selves when they do something wrong and not dwell on it, because when you dwell on something your mind wont be at rest so you wont be playing at your full potential.

BlackSephir · Aug 30, 2009, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Don't be silly. GWAMM just announces you don't leave the house much.

God damn, is internet irony really that dead?!
You people suck.

Zahr Dalsk · Aug 30, 2009, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

God damn, is internet irony really that dead?!
You people suck.

No, the problem is that a lot of people really believe that titles and items indicate skill at Guild Wars (despite constant evidence that there is no real link) so it's impossible to tell if someone's being sarcastic.

And that's not what irony is, by the way.

Sword Hammer Axe · Aug 30, 2009, 03:21 PM // 15:21

A good player is trustworthy, friendly, helpful and skilled.

And when I say skilled I mean as in other people will go to him for help because they have seen what he can do.

Rocky Raccoon · Aug 30, 2009, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by dunky_g

True that.

A good GW player is someone who doesnt take the game too srs, and can have a laugh while playing and doesnt rage over every little thing.

They should also be able to laugh at them selves when they do something wrong and not dwell on it, because when you dwell on something your mind wont be at rest so you wont be playing at your full potential.

I think you have stated how I feel very nicely.

A11Eur0 · Aug 30, 2009, 09:38 PM // 21:38

You can be good and arrogant about it...it won't win you any brownie points and will prevent people from consulting you for assistance though, so it's a moot point.

Know what you're doing, have an ability to adapt to situations, running different skill bars than you're used to and make them work. These compose the "skill" part of the equation. To put it to good use you should be thoughtful, helpful, and modest while letting your actions speak for themselves. That will allow you to show others your skill rather than have them rely on you saying so while enduring your arrogance when they mess something up and await your berating.

Burst Cancel · Aug 30, 2009, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Some of you guys are using definitions of "good" that seem quite twisted in this context. Being a nice or helpful person is commendable, but it has absolutely nothing to do with being good at Guild Wars.

glacialphoenix · Aug 31, 2009, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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Some of you guys are using definitions of "good" that seem quite twisted in this context. Being a nice or helpful person is commendable, but it has absolutely nothing to do with being good at Guild Wars.

Actually, I beg to differ.

A good player =/= a skilled player.

A good player learns from mistakes, knows when to laugh at himself/herself, etc. You can be a newbie and still be a good player. You can have the crappiest bar on GW and still be a good player. It just makes you really, really unskilled. I basically see a good player as someone who has a (generally) willing-to-learn attitude.

Skilled, on the other hand, has probably been cited several times by other posters in the thread. You can have a guy who trashtalks everyone and is justified in doing so, because he has the skills to back his claims up. It doesn't, however, give people the impression that he's a very nice person.

When you get both at the same time in one player, that's when you call that player awesome.

Burst Cancel · Aug 31, 2009, 05:43 AM // 05:43

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Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

A good player =/= a skilled player.

This is what seems twisted to me; as far as I understand, the normal usage of the term "good player" is synonymous with "skilled player".

When you hear things like, "oh, he's a good basketball player", how do you understand it? Do you think "good" refers to the player's personality and "ability to laugh at himself", or do you think it refers to the player's skill in basketball? Does "good cook" imply something other than the ability to prepare great-tasting food?

Furthermore, addressing personality in the context of a game seems to me like a pointless exercise. We already know that most people don't like the players that (god forbid) take the game "too seriously", and we already know how most people feel about "arrogant elitists" (whatever that means). Filling a thread with platitudes like "a good player is someone who is nice" just seems like a shameless carebear circlejerk.

From the thread title and the OP, I had thought this thread to be a discussion of what constitutes skilled play in GW, but maybe that's just me.

GWfan#1 · Aug 31, 2009, 06:09 AM // 06:09

A good player is simply not a bad player.

Wild Rituals · Aug 31, 2009, 06:22 AM // 06:22

A good player who can learn from mistakes will always be better than a great player who makes mistakes and then blames other people or makes excuses for them

Snow Bunny · Aug 31, 2009, 06:23 AM // 06:23

If they're good at Guild Wars they're skilled at the game - these stupid interpretations are just a way for you people to feel "good" about yourselves.

The OP's question was clearly requesting what makes them good at the game - while his/her parameters were themselves stupid, it doesn't change the fact that they were looking for something that defines a player as being good at the game.

Now Nelson Mandela could've been the nicest Guild Wars player in the universe but I bet he would be terrible in terms of skill.

TaggSilar · Aug 31, 2009, 06:24 AM // 06:24

a good player is not a person who has good skills/armor/items/all that shit. a good player is a person who knows how to use what they have to their own or the team's advantage. knowing how to most effectively use your skills is more important than having the perfect build or amazingly expensive armor and items. a good player is also open suggestions, and can adapt to adverse conditions

glacialphoenix · Aug 31, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Filling a thread with platitudes like "a good player is someone who is nice" just seems like a shameless carebear circlejerk.

I honestly think it's a matter of personal opinion: you say that, and you instantly assign that to 'carebear'. I don't think it is. I mean to say that certain qualities are not necessarily synonymous with good skill, but can and WILL help you along the way to becoming a skilled player.

A newbie, if s/he is open to learning, tries to think for himself or herself and work out why things work the way they do, etc. - the skillbar may be bad, s/he may not play as well as an experienced player, but you've got a good player there with the potential to become a skilled player. I say good =/= skilled because 'good' for me implies a mindset, 'skilled' implies actual ability at a game. Frequently they do come hand in hand, and no, it's not just a matter of 'nice'.

trialist · Aug 31, 2009, 06:45 AM // 06:45

I'm actually surprised how so few of you actually mentioned awareness. Knowing what is happening around you allows you to know why you failed, who is the weak link in your team or your opponent's team and who is the threat to your team.

It allows you to learn from your mistakes and to see counters to opposing builds/teams. It also allows for greater teamwork since you actually do know what is going on.

It is far more likely for an aware player to also possess some if not most of the qualities that make up a good player. Being aware, even if he doesn't possess those qualities, it wouldn't be as hard to teach and train such a player to gain those qualities compared to someone who is unaware. An unaware player will never really be a good player.

Burst Cancel · Aug 31, 2009, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by Wild Rituals

A good player who can learn from mistakes will always be better than a great player who makes mistakes and then blames other people or makes excuses for them

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Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

A newbie, if s/he is open to learning, tries to think for himself or herself and work out why things work the way they do, etc. - the skillbar may be bad, s/he may not play as well as an experienced player, but you've got a good player there with the potential to become a skilled player. I say good =/= skilled because 'good' for me implies a mindset, 'skilled' implies actual ability at a game. Frequently they do come hand in hand, and no, it's not just a matter of 'nice'.

You guys act as though "great" (i.e., skilled) players just are, springing from their mother's womb blessed with ability in Guild Wars, and never had to learn it like everyone else. The shocking reality is that all of the great players already do the things you talk about - that's how they became great players. Do you honestly believe great players got to where they did by not learning from their mistakes? By not evaluating how they and their opponents play? Get real.

And frankly, while you, glacial, might not think it's "just a matter of 'nice'", it's clear that others in this thread do. They spout traits like "friendly", "helpful", etc. as though they were at all relevant to how well someone is able to actually play GW. This is not, to my knowledge, the conventional meaning of the term, "good player".

StormX · Aug 31, 2009, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

and about OPs post, i've taken a monk once (a friend) with all fow chaos gloves, flashing his zrank he spent millions of gold on, rank 5 koabd, and he was one of the worst monks i've ever had the disgrace of playing with. it's a lot like putting racing stripes on a rusted up 89 honda accord, doesn't make the player the smallest bit better at the game. but everyone loves racing stripes.

Dude, I completely agree. I've seen people decked out in full FoW, torment weapons and the whole shebang but they were horrible players. Makes me wonder if they ebayed gold or someone gave them the account. O.o Then on the other hand, I've teamed with lots of good team players in costumebrawl/wintersday etc, some of them casual gamers with no pvp titles or expensive gear.

glacialphoenix · Aug 31, 2009, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Do you honestly believe great players got to where they did by not learning from their mistakes? By not evaluating how they and their opponents play? Get real.

Um, yes. I get your point. But at the same time, everyone starts out somewhere. You said it yourself. They don't just spring out of nowhere. You may not be a skilled player, but being willing to learn helps you become a good player in every sense of the word. That's why I make that distinction, and why I said they tend to come hand in hand. I kind of got the feeling that everyone's pointing out things that, well, yeah, DO make a skilled player. Awareness, etc. Great. I'm not disputing that, but many of them are learned traits.

I suppose a better way of phrasing my viewpoint is that a good player is the person with the traits that help pave the way to being a skilled player, like willingness to learn. Part of it is playing nice, because cocky and arrogant people who demand answers are less likely to get answers that help compared to the humble newbie who appears that s/he genuinely wants to learn. It's not the whole of it, though. So, yes. There's a difference for me there.

(To be absolutely frank, I get most frustrated with the really nice players who have a terrible skillbar. You're really nice, it would be a joy playing with you IF ONLY YOU WEREN'T USELESS... frustrating.)