Curse

cataphract · Apr 14, 2009, 12:11 PM // 12:11

I'm all for them making money but don't really like the way these micro-payments are going. As long as items from the in-game store do not give buyers overpowered equipment or skills.

English Warrior · Apr 14, 2009, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by oscarmac

/Not Signed.

The game is free to play. Charge for all the extras.
$10 Extra Characters
$10 per Extra storage panes
$10 to change facial features / hairstyle
$25 to change character names
etc...

If you don't want to pay, enjoy playing the game for free, and thank Anet for the opportunity.

Can we change names and facial features? i thought we couldn't while we are on this point Anet shud add more features to pay for then like the ones listed seriously, we cryed for more storage we get it if we pay, we cry for barbershop that will happen next i bet $10 for a haircut.

Goddess Of Defense · Apr 14, 2009, 12:23 PM // 12:23

/Signed, I would much rather pay 10 dollars for "Character name changes," "Character Appearance changes," "Gold from Arenanet"(this one would cause inflation in the GW economy but I would rather buy from Arenanet than some person in china and get myself banned in doing so). I would much rather donate to Arenanet if they really needed the money for the servers, but seriously the servers have been so laggy and horrible lately would it even get much better? I mean they stopped supplying Retail stores with copies just to make us pay $29.99 in the InGame store. They could have charged for something else other than making us pay for storage.

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 14, 2009, 12:25 PM // 12:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Calling for a boycott is calling for people to use brains and make them rethink if they really want to spend so much for so little, and make them reconsider other much better possibilities. It's also a call to open your eyes and see where our beloved business model is going -> to the hell of microtransactions!

Want to support Anet for making a great game? Buy more accounts or even character slots - get MUCH more storage for the same price.

If you can't find cheap campagin boxes at your stores - support Anet/NCSoft directly by buying a PvP-only account for $19,99 from NCSoft online store - and get 4 Character Slots + 1 xunlai tab = 200 Universal Slots +heroes +equipment packs (+20-80 weapon slots) +Abuse XTH for free 100k per month.

But Don't support THIS idea of selling very micro content for prices of big stuff, the trend of giving us less and less and less for the same price... or we'll only see more of it (get less and less and less per every $ spent)... and the next game (GW2) may be fully based on this type of deals.

Why don't you people just let everyone make there own personal decisions
on whether to purchase or not. A boycott is just plain silly for a game.

Lourens · Apr 14, 2009, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Why don't you people just let everyone make there own personal decisions
on whether to purchase or not. A boycott is just plain silly for a game.

Exactly,

You can't call this a boycott because you can't boycott air.

Riot Narita · Apr 14, 2009, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

No they aren't nearly 75% just here say NO! Now you want to go and say MOST will HAPPILY pay the way overpriced $10 for it? hahahah Keep dreamin buddy and quit lying as well.

You keep saying "75% say no", but I don't understand how you arrive at that figure.

What I see right now is:

I am definitely not going buy this because they are charging us. 126 (19.66%)
I think $10 is too much. They should lower the price. 142 (22.15%)
10$ is a fair price to me. I will buy them if I need them. 171 (26.68%)
I'll pay $5 or $10, don't care which. 43 (6.71%)
I could care less. I am not buying it. 159 (24.80%)

19.66% say "no" simply because there is a charge. And 22.15% say "no" because $10 is too much. That's a total of 41.81% saying "no".

26.68% say "yes" at $10, and 6.71% say "yes" at $10 but would prefer $5. That's a total of 33.4% saying "yes".

24.8% don't care, and aren't saying "yes" or "no".

So where does your 75% come from? Are you adding the "don't care" people to your total? Because I don't think that's valid.

The way I see it, they didn't choose any of the first four options, so they're neither for the charge nor against it... and you can't count them as such. (presumably they don't need extra storage anyway).

Further, of those that WANT the storage - it's 41.81% "no" vs 33.4% "yes".

If that's an incorrect conclusion... explain why?

Mangione · Apr 14, 2009, 02:02 PM // 14:02

Just curiousity: do you think that this is a beginning of a trend?
Do you think that each four months Anet will release "big" content updates that will be charged (for some optional parts) like a full campaign?
Are you all ok with this?

After reading the entire thread, I still am of my /notsigned opinion for the boycott.

You don't want it, you don't buy it.
Surely there will be people paying any amount for overpriced stuff in the game.
I'm just not one of them, I won't buy. But I respect their choice even if it is different from mine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

24.8% don't care, and aren't saying "yes" or "no".[...]

The way I see it, they didn't choose any of the first four options, so they're neither for the charge nor against it... and you can't count them as such. (presumably they don't need extra storage anyway).

Further, of those that WANT the storage - it's 48.81% "no" vs 33.4% "yes".

I think it is overpriced (option 2) but choose not to buy because I don't care (option 5). I might want it or not, I still think it is too much what is being asked for it.

Even choosing for option 5, even being among those ~25$ that say "I could care less. I am not buying it", I can still be against the overcharge, so I could be counted as a "no".
(I can talk only for myself, I don't know about the others that voted "I couldn't care less")

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

75% of what again? Of people who voted in this thread, which are in Guru? And what part of the GW community is this overall?

The price is slightly over what I'd pay for the convenience, but I'm sure people will buy it. Enough to make it rentable? Time will tell.

I think the figure of 75% given by Red Sonja is excessive. But anyway consider that on the forums usually the participants are the most hardcore players.
On the forums you find the most interested ones, those who are more attached to the game than the average player, and thus those who are more willing to buy optional/additional stuff.

My guild is a mix of hardcore and casual players, the leader and the officers are often online (every day, for several hours each day), while among us members there are 5 or 6 active, playing four or five days a week, and 30 others that login once each month (or less than that).

The alliance is more active, about ten guilds and there were about 30/40 players online when I gave them the link the the page on the website with the 4th anniversary anticipations.

Well, the first reaction when they saw the price was "are they crazy?".
Even my guild leader said he wasn't going to spend money on that... I'm talking of the kind of person that really lives into GW (he bought collectors editions, char slots in the store, millenium edition, alt account, even Proxima game guides and stuff like that) .

With the amount of money asked for 4 storage tabs one can buy a couple of xbox360 games.
Or more than a couple of FULL pc games.
These were the answer I got from them... the general feeling is that they won't be spending money on this stuff.

The trick went well with the BMP because people wanted the nice new weapon skins (which I don't see around a lot), but with this?

I hope anyway that a lot of people will buy this additional panes at this high price.
(I know I won't.)

glacialphoenix · Apr 14, 2009, 02:22 PM // 14:22

I still don't get the fuss, really. They're not saying 'pay $10 or forget the update', they're saying 'if you still want more storage, pay $10'. Why is this so hard to get?

As several people have already said, there's nothing to boycott.

Ctb · Apr 14, 2009, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Quote:

Are you sure? 1 slot for this convenience forever = $10 = 1 month of WoW or any other monthly-fee MMO

Actually, that's only 2/3 of a month for most MMOs. And that's not really a good comparison. Yea, they're fifteen dollars a month, but you get dozens of times the storage, it's per character rather than per account, and you can create more characters.

I mean, I get, what, 100 slots of storage + crafting for 5 characters. As an example, my main on WoW has something like 175 slots right now, so five characters gets me 875 slots, plus I can create 5 more mules on that realm for a total of 1750 slots for 5 (playing) characters. Assuming I get a new 20 slot tab for $10, I'd have to buy $820 worth of tabs to match that storage.

Obviously there are some major problems with my rundown, the least of which being that 1750 slots of storage would be extreme overkill in Guild Wars so purchasing $820 worth of storage, even if you could do that, would be silly, but the point is that it's not really valid to compare the pay-as-you-play games to Guild Wars here. You're paying a lot less per storage slot in them than you are in Guild Wars with it's optional add-on purchase.

In the end, the Guild Wars storage system was implemented in an awful way and has long been one of its weakest aspects.

Quote:

As several people have already said, there's nothing to boycott.

There isn't, really. If you read through the thread there's just a handful of people who are outraged that they're being given an option to buy something. Most people seem to be of the attitude that either the price is too high so they're not interested, or that it's great and they're buying the slots when they come out.

Really, compared to other faux outrages like the mission pack add-on from EotN, this is pretty muted.

enter_the_zone · Apr 14, 2009, 02:44 PM // 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

In the end, the Guild Wars storage system was implemented in an awful way and has long been one of its weakest aspects.

There isn't, really. If you read through the thread there's just a handful of people who are outraged that they're being given an option to buy something. Most people seem to be of the attitude that either the price is too high so they're not interested, or that it's great and they're buying the slots when they come out.

Really, compared to other faux outrages like the mission pack add-on from EotN, this is pretty muted.

1) You're right about the storage systems always having been a weakness

2) I think the problem most of the vocal detractors have with this development is not with the storage tabs idea itself, but more with the direction it indicates ANet is leaning. That's quite apart from the fact that the price is a monstrous rip-off.

Nodakim · Apr 14, 2009, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

MotherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing Anet giving me a free bag slot on all of my characters, giving a xunlai storage upgrade, AND THEN having the audacity to charge me money if I want even more storage. Next thing you know they will be trying to make money and start a business or something.

There has never been anything stopping them from doing that on day 1 of the guild wars store. But they haven't. Go whine to Capcom who decided to charge $5 to unlock the multiplayer mode of RE5, Anet has yet to charge for actual game-relevant features.

Wait for a couple months.

Jetdoc · Apr 14, 2009, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Simply put, no way in hell am I going to pay additional money for storage.

Orange Milk · Apr 14, 2009, 03:39 PM // 15:39

A boycott is stupid, sorry to say thats like boycotting smoking, no one makes you smoke so good job on the boycott your a success.

$10 on the other hand is over priced, even if it is priced for "convience"

Look at it this way:

You walk into your local Beer cave and there is a 6 pack and a 12 pack on the shelf for the EXACT same price. So the 6 pack is more convient, yu dont have to open the box and it easy to just place the empties right back in the container and chuck it all at once when your done, and its lighter to carry. Much more conveinent. But SORRY, NO. I'm buying the twelve pack I may not need all 12 beers right now, but atleast they are ther for later and so what if I have to take the time to open the box (much like the same amount of time switching characters takes).

$10 for a conveinent 20 slots in a storage box or $10 for a slightly inconvient new character slot with TWICE the storage space.

It's a no brainer.

IF the the tabs were $5 each I'd be first in line to buy all 4, but at $10, no thanks, I'll buy another slot if I need the space.

Lastly I feel that the "Limited time offer to get a free tab" will be linked to spending money in the store like with the BMP back in the day. Something like Buy 3 panes and get the 4th free, which would (if said statement is true) reduce the price to $7.50 ea, still I price I'm not willing to pay.

As far as Equiptment Packs go I do think they will be charging for those, you will just have to get them IG somehow, otherwise how do you go to the store and buy a EP for a certain character? Unless you buy it and it's in storage so you equipt it to whom ever you choose.

I'm all for ANet continuing to make money and provide the servers for this game, which I feel has been money well spent thus far, but that doesnt mean I'm going to balance out my well spent money by spending money poorly.

Riot Narita · Apr 14, 2009, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangione

Even choosing for option 5, even being among those ~25$ that say "I could care less. I am not buying it", I can still be against the overcharge, so I could be counted as a "no".
(I can talk only for myself, I don't know about the others that voted "I couldn't care less")

Exactly... you can only speak for yourself - there is nothing in that response which says whether the voter thinks the price is too much, or not.

You can make an arbitrary assumption that those people think (like you) that $10 is too much, but you could just as easily make a different arbitrary assumption that those people DON'T think $10 is too much... and that would turn the "yes" people into the majority.

makosi · Apr 14, 2009, 03:51 PM // 15:51

I voted option #2.

I've always been up for paying for some storage increases but, IMO, $10 is too much for 20 slots especially when someone made a thread about GW:Factions being available for only $10. (http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10366035)

Factions offers 4 character slots + 2 storage tabs = potentially 184 storage slots and the option of more XTH reward points. So what are we paying $10 for? Convenience? Meh.

I won't 'QQ' as they say. I just won't pay that sort unjust price.

P.S. I bought 4 character slots just for making storage mules and I think $5.99 for 36 slots (and Birthday prezzies) is fair.

Targren · Apr 14, 2009, 04:06 PM // 16:06

$10 x 4 = $40 for 80 slots.
$.50 per slot

GW Factions Platinum= $20 for
+ 3 panes = 60 slots
+ 6 chars = 6*45 slots (ignoring upcoming update)
+ Another acct for Zkeys
= 60 + 270 = 330 slots = $.07 per slot

GW Factions = $10 for
+2 panes = 40 slots
+ 4 chars = 4 * 45 slots
+ Acct for Zkeys
= 40 + 180 = 220 slots = $.05 per slot

ANet Math Fail.

And those defending the $10 cost and abusing the word "micropayments", that word does not mean what you appear to think it means. It means payments too small to be affordably processed by credit card companies. It does not mean "the same price as a new frelling account."

NeHoMaR · Apr 14, 2009, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boneyard Spleeneater

Repeat to yourselves; ITS ONLY A GAME!

All right! next step will be sell level 30 PvP characters for 100$. You enter PvP, and every lvl30 own you, then you say to yourself: ITS ONLY A GAME!

king swift · Apr 14, 2009, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by lifesrestorer

$10 = new character slot --> 45 slots
$10 = new storage tab --> 20 slots

this isn't about not being able to afford it, or not wanting it. It's about a personal sense of worth. We all have $10 and can afford to pay for a storage tab, but is paying more than double the price of what alternative storage slots are worth in the form of new characters really worth the convenience?

Watch this video from 5:15. I couldn't have summed it up better myself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb8rdc-0opq

rofl! Soo true!

Ctb · Apr 14, 2009, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Quote:

frelling

That was an awesome show.

Targren · Apr 14, 2009, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

Hard drives are cheap and storing ints doesn't take much space.

Hush. Don't you know they have to pay for enough hard drive space to store actual physical swords in replicator-data format?