Curse

Taddayo Kun · Oct 12, 2009, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Jugalo Dano

I'm pretty sure rr day is about 100 times worse on the economy then xth could ever be. .

Then why is the price of zkeys not lower than when xth actually worked? Simple, a smaller population of guild wars played rr. Whereas xth only required owning an account, meaning people with multiple accounts (you'd be suprised how many people in this game have over 20 accounts) able to make ridiculous amounts of keys without even doing anything. RR hasn't been around long enough to affect the economy any more, and it won't be around long enough to cause any further changes (hb was supposed to be gone already, chances are that rr day will not happen again).

Taddayo Kun · Oct 12, 2009, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I'm not taking any sides but I'm wondering:

What are the differences with wintersday when the community makes an agreement by splitting up Dwayna and Grenth districts? I see the same characteristics:
- reward
- efficiency
- not playing the game as intended

If you/we all do it on wintersday, why don't you do it here too? Jealousy, purist? The format will be gone anyway.

Also what did Anet expect? They've put the bowl of milk and the cat in the same room. Lets shoot the cat now?

Just noticed this, VERY good point.

Lihinel · Oct 12, 2009, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Losing 6,000+ active players wouldn't just lessen the stress on the server(s)....it would probably "officially" kill the game...and piss off a lot of potential GW2 customers.

I was refering to the wintersday cheaters.
Thats rr day population * 4-6

And hey, not only would it lessen the stress on the server(s)....it would probably lessen the stress on the gw2 server(s) as well.
What are they waiting for?

kazjun · Oct 12, 2009, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Who cares, HB is dead anyway. Well, whenever anet gets round to removing it anyway. Why waste what few resources they have on 'fixing' something which isn't going to be in the game for much longer.

Jugalo Dano · Oct 12, 2009, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by Taddayo Kun

Then why is the price of zkeys not lower than when xth actually worked? Simple, a smaller population of guild wars played rr. Whereas xth only required owning an account, meaning people with multiple accounts (you'd be suprised how many people in this game have over 20 accounts) able to make ridiculous amounts of keys without even doing anything. RR hasn't been around long enough to affect the economy any more, and it won't be around long enough to cause any further changes (hb was supposed to be gone already, chances are that rr day will not happen again).

I just blame the price of zkeys atm on greed and/or stubbornness. People have seen what they sold for in the past and that's what they expect to get. If you look in great temple there are a bit more people trying to sell then there were a few months ago. No one selling is willing to drop their own prices for the sake of a quicker sale.

Aussie Boy · Oct 12, 2009, 08:20 AM // 08:20

ohhh nooooss I did RR day made 22 keys before I got board and went back to playing PvE.
Also used em on the Zchest so no economic harm from me.

The post about the Wintersday agreement side issue is a vald point even if there is no high cost involved like 1k and 6000b points.
It is still manipulating the game and going against the rule so ban all the wintersday peeps while your at it anet.

Cherrie · Oct 12, 2009, 09:18 AM // 09:18

RR day is ridiculous, but it's not happening in a void. In fact, the whole RR day is ANets fault and the fact that the player community has organized this 'event' is due to developer's silly (to say the least) actions.

Since it has been announced that the development of GW1 will be suspended and works on GW2 will start, along with HoM, GW1 became nothing more than a hunt (and farm) for titles and items to put in the Hall. If you don't want your xxx hours of play lost once GW2 comes out, you have to have a nice HoM. Or you're screwed.

Maxing titles costs enormous amounts of money. There are groups of people out there who don't have a problem with it, belonging to meta crowd and using meta farming builds, both solo and team. But there are others who dont have the skill/time/friends allowing them to join the insanely rich crowd, but they still don't want to be screwed. They don't need 6 FoWs and 7 GWAMs, just one to pass something to GW2 through HoM.

If it wasn't for the fact that the need for money now in GW is so high, you wouldn't see 70 American districts. If it wasn't for the fact that maxing a title required 10k points and 4kk gold, you wouldn't see them either.

But it is. And players are coming up with a solution through lousy game design current development team provides. Player base needs money to fulfill ridiculous requirements for their time spend in this game not to become void.

axe · Oct 12, 2009, 12:18 PM // 12:18

Zkeys dont shift in price because most of the RR farmers actually use the keys on the zchest.

Dwayna/Grentch is not even comparable, how is this "match" manipulation WTF??

And I dont understand how hard it would be to take the HB zquest off the rotation, are they doing RR in TA as well because there were a lot of dists on TA Zquest day also.

Yes I am bitter

Gun Pierson · Oct 12, 2009, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by axe

Dwayna/Grentch is not even comparable, how is this "match" manipulation WTF??

From wiki:
A competition between Grenth and Dwayna about the end of winter

It is a match, no matter how futile it seems. You have a red score and a blue score. The playerbase manipulates the match to get 100% succes.

gone · Oct 12, 2009, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

From wiki:
A competition between Grenth and Dwayna about the end of winter

It is a match, no matter how futile it seems. You have a red score and a blue score. The playerbase manipulates the match to get 100% succes.

Bullshit excuse. is bullshit.
it's free roam in a town. it's not in the winter's day arena...

there is also a difference between a gift, and a reward.

Day Trooper · Oct 12, 2009, 02:15 PM // 14:15

On the RR quest - why is it repeatable? That would stop a lot of the 'RR Abuse' right there if the quest couldn't be re-taken.

Unless - all PvP ZQuests are repeatable? Dunno as I don't PvP...

Gun Pierson · Oct 12, 2009, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by flubber

Bullshit excuse. is bullshit.
it's free roam in a town. it's not in the winter's day arena...

there is also a difference between a gift, and a reward.

I don't need an excuse as I don't do RR, I'm objective in this debate while you clearly are not. In both Wintersday and RR I see the same 'mechanic' at work. Whether they call it a gift or reward, it's the same thing, you play a part of the game or in these cases you don't play the game as intended.

Talking about bullshit...free roam in town, yeah right lol. It's planned and coordinated. The playerbase is creative and that's what I expect from Anet too.

Karate Jesus · Oct 12, 2009, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I don't need an excuse as I don't do RR, I'm objective in this debate while you clearly are not. In both Wintersday and RR I see the same 'mechanic' at work. Whether they call it a gift or reward, it's the same thing, you play a part of the game or in these cases you don't play the game as intended.

Talking about bullshit...free roam in town, yeah right lol. It's planned and coordinated.

Technically, Gun is correct....which is the best kind of correct (gogo Futurama references).

In the EULA, it doesn't expressly state the match manipulation is limited only to PvP....so, technically.....the Wintersday thing is match manipulation as well.

Lol...pretty messed up, but funny and true.

Painbringer · Oct 12, 2009, 03:11 PM // 15:11

So when are they RR on RA map I need some Glads

Just kidding

Fril Estelin · Oct 12, 2009, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I don't need an excuse as I don't do RR, I'm objective in this debate while you clearly are not. In both Wintersday and RR I see the same 'mechanic' at work. Whether they call it a gift or reward, it's the same thing, you play a part of the game or in these cases you don't play the game as intended.

Talking about bullshit...free roam in town, yeah right lol. It's planned and coordinated. The playerbase is creative and that's what I expect from Anet too.

You forgot one thing: RR is PvP, holiday finale are PvE. It's perfectly understandable that Anet won't complain about PvE event being "fixed" by players, since AI won't complain (you could even say that AI IS Anet, so them saying nothing is proof they don't mind). On the other hand, RR is a fix affecting players and this is a different matter.

El Presidente · Oct 12, 2009, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

In the EULA, it doesn't expressly state the match manipulation is limited only to PvP....so, technically.....the Wintersday thing is match manipulation as well.

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Originally Posted by GW.com

24. While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

Didn't see anything that said other than PvP.

gone · Oct 12, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20

O I see.
I can unlock multiple valuable skills (possibly 100s?) with the multiple headpieces that I get via halloween/christmas district jumping. there is a big advantage there.

Developers meant for me to be able to get thousands of gold, keys, and faction by taking a quest and /resign.

Aussie Boy · Oct 12, 2009, 03:25 PM // 15:25

True it does say PvP but still Wintersday does effect the players especially if they stand on the opposite side to the side that is supposed to be
the agreed side ( odd/even number dist)
You then get people demanding (sometimes very rudely) they switch to the proper side or leave the dist and go to another.
Is that classified under the harassment rule too?
all this is OT to the original post anyway but really rules are rules and should be for all things not just selected parts of the game add hock.

Karate Jesus · Oct 12, 2009, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by El Presidente

Didn't see anything that said other than PvP.

Sorry, I should have made myself more clear.

"While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation."

Technically, it doesn't limit Player-vs-Player to the format of PvP in-game. Therefore, the arguement could be made that Grenth vs. Dwayna is a player-vs-player format and because of this the district allocation is match manipulation and bannable under the EULA.

"Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching."

Again, because the definition was not limited solely to the PvP format of the game, Grenth v. Dwayna could easily be defined as "manipulating the outcome of a match". It could also be said that forcing other players to stand on a certain side of the map would be "disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating".

See how that works? Nice to see my minor is Law didn't completely go to waste.....ohwait....yea it did.

gone · Oct 12, 2009, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Sorry, I should have made myself more clear.

"While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation."

Technically, it doesn't limit Player-vs-Player to the format of PvP in-game. Therefore, the arguement could be made that Grenth vs. Dwayna is a player-vs-player format and because of this the district allocation is match manipulation and bannable under the EULA.

See how that works? Nice to see my minor is Law didn't completely go to waste.....ohwait....yea it did.

No. during wintersday/halloween NPCs can kill/resurrect you in a town, where they normally can't. so one might be inclined to say it's more PvE, than PvP. I'd say something snide about law school, but i'll refrain.