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qvtkc · Nov 13, 2009, 05:23 PM // 17:23

The actual handling of GW won't affect my purchase of GW2 for or against it. But the focus on grind might. GW1 was great when I got it (Christmas 2005) with basically zero grind. Now it's very different from that, still a good game though. But if this trend keeps going into GW2 I don't know if I'll buy it.

Clobimon · Nov 13, 2009, 05:31 PM // 17:31

I really can't understand how or why you're expecting ANet to move into a development & support phase equivalent to the current state after release of GW2. I'm sorry, but that's just rediculous. You're comparing support of a game that's "on the last leg of it's lifecycle," as stated by the comm. rep, during the development of their entirely new game to the support of their new game while improving and adding to said new game. They're not going to release GW2 and say, "alright, we did it!" and start creating another entirely new game. Every expansion/addition and change subsequent to release is going to effect the entire game, which means everyone at ANet is working on improving the game we're playing. This is no different than any other company out there. Now, if you're expecting the original Guild Wars to be receiving regular updates and new content (still) post-GW2... that's dreaming. They'll "leave the servers up as long as people are playing it" but to expect anything more...

mcsumo · Nov 13, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Am I not entitled to post my own opinions even though I disagree with you. And by the way, your opinion is not shared by everyone either.

Which is why they still have a small number of staff maintaining the current game, which I repeat, most players seem to be satisfied with.

It is really dumb optimistic fanboy-ism to think that GW2 would bring us back to Prophecies level of support that we enjoyed 4.5 years ago or better.

And yes, they will divide resources based on the most recent level of support which most users are satisifed with.

More nonsense. I didn't suggest your view had less validity than mine. However I have mentioned known facts about GW2 that show it will work differently to GW1. Others have pointed out that an expansion to a new game takes less development and can work in tandem with support of the original to a large degree. Several other views and arguments have been put forward, but you refute them all as 'fanboyism' with the 1 fact you keep repeating.... we have a small team now.

Yes we do.

The last content we had to pay for was EotN, released over 2 years ago. For the same amount of money I could buy all the GW campaigns + EotN or 1 Xbox 360 game. I am still playing GW after 3.5 years, a console game lasts 6 months at a very big push. We do get new quests with each halloween and wintersday, we get new weapon skins, a redesign of the UW it seems. The Zaishen menagerie and equipment bags to carry more have also been added and Zaishen quests breathing new life into many areas. Plus storage panes and makeovers people can pay for if they want. All this with no cost. Damn right I am happy with the support we are getting now and in my view anyone who isn't is an ingrate.

That still doesn't mean we will have the same level of support for a brand new and completely different game. If you have any new evidence to support your view, then please let us know, rather than just shouting the same thing louder and louder. (Which is effectively what you are doing.)

Daesu · Nov 13, 2009, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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All this with no cost. Damn right I am happy with the support we are getting now and in my view anyone who isn't is an ingrate.

I am an Ingrate? I think you should call ANet your Daddy.

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That still doesn't mean we will have the same level of support for a brand new and completely different game. If you have any new evidence to support your view, then please let us know, rather than just shouting the same thing louder and louder. (Which is effectively what you are doing.)

If you think the way that I voiced my opinions, which happen to disagree with yours, is against forum rules then feel free to report to the Moderator/Admin to have them perm ban me. Otherwise I would continue to do what I think is right even if that is unpopular to you or anyone else. You have no evidence to support your points that GW2.1 would have fewer people working on it.

Even if your guess is right, that GW2.1 is alot easier to develop, that does not imply that ANet would allocate LESS resources into GW2.1 development than they did for GW2. Why? Because there is no reason why having GW2.1 ready to market SOONER is a bad thing and the more resources that I have for GW2.1 development, the SOONER it would be ready. Noticing how they allocate their priority, right now, between the current release and the next release is more important than saying GW2.1 needs more or less resources to develop.

I only take the most recent level of support as an example.

Their level of support for the current game would not change, even after GW2 is released!

Nereyda Shoaal · Nov 13, 2009, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

No idea why. I simply check the pings, they don't lie. Ever. Especially with the low 50-90ms. Even English servers have 2 or 3 times higher ping.

Checked again. So called "Kamadan English - Polish - District 1" is based in Texas. Unless NCSoft are "lying" with the IP addresses
I can also check with my friends based in Poland if you wish so. But I'm pretty sure none of them had any issues with the network

Benderama · Nov 13, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13

1.i think Anet has handled the game well. i may not have been here since the beginning but for the last yeazr it's been fine for me. most of the problems are kinda community driven (not saying its your fault) but we're always criticising everything rather than looking at whats been/being done.
2. buy GW2, not really because of the gameplay of guild wars, i'd buy it for the best online community ever!

and also the story.

Abedeus · Nov 13, 2009, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Nereida Shoal

Checked again. So called "Kamadan English - Polish - District 1" is based in Texas. Unless NCSoft are "lying" with the IP addresses
I can also check with my friends based in Poland if you wish so. But I'm pretty sure none of them had any issues with the network

Hmm. You know, I read some of my first posts in this thread, and you might've misunderstood me..

I wasn't saying GW has lags all the time. But when there are lags, A.Net will just say "Oh, really? Okay then, sorry." and ignore the issue, because we don't pay them anymore. Usually their servers are quite lag-free and I was talking about the lack of support in case of abnormal lags.

Remember when they blamed high pings (100k+) on the heat wave two years ago or so?

Nereyda Shoaal · Nov 13, 2009, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

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XXXX (19:48)
no nie da rady
XXXX (19:48)
no ale jak ma ping 800 to definitywnie ma cos z providerem ..
na 100% ma cos zrabane
XXXX (19:51)
albo ma zawalony system jakimis downloaderami, trojanami etc, albo ma kijowego providera, albo ma 8975823652835 osob w sieci z non stop torrentem, albo cos innego podobnego

Had a quick word with one of the fellas. Others don't get anything like this either, and I never heard them complaining

Yes I remember lag spikes but never had anything like 800, omg

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And only because GW lags why everyone presumes it's their fault? They don't own any internet infrastructure do they? Few routers go bust (lets say) in NY and there you go... reason for the ping to go up

Abedeus · Nov 13, 2009, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Nereida Shoal

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Well, I have several screenshots with nice pings. I never deleted a single screenshot so it was hard to find some with a really high ping in less than 10 minutes, but I have on right here with last ping 20k, average ping 11,7k. English district. And another, with last ping 13,5k, average over 1,6k. I know that torrents/downloads affect the latency and I'm not stupid to complain because of that.

But when you get such pings on a clean machine where every game on normal servers works fine...

Not to mention some folks on this very forum posted pings of 200k+. Probably those threads are long gone, but it's not easy to remember such thing.

Shy Guy · Nov 13, 2009, 10:00 PM // 22:00

This is stupid really.

Maybe ANet hasn't handled gw1 as well as I had hoped, but gw2 is completely different and in no way will be affected by the handling of gw1 as of now seeing they're putting so much time into gw2.

vdz · Nov 13, 2009, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Not at all.

I hope they`ve learned from their mistakes in GW. Overall GW has been an amazing experience. Yes they mucked up here and there, but dont we all?

I'm seriously thrilled to start playing GW 2, need some serious patience though.

Atrenim · Nov 13, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I honestly cannot complain about Guild Wars. I left for a few months to "try out the rest" and after a lot of disappointment I can sincerely say Guild Wars is among one of the best. Some people will hate it, some will love, in the end I'm just happy I enjoy it.

DreamWind · Nov 14, 2009, 03:08 AM // 03:08

One of the things that amazes me is how many people are saying:

"I completely disagree with how Anet has handled/managed GW1, BUT...I am going to happily support them and buy GW2".

Amazes me really.

HawkofStorms · Nov 14, 2009, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

One of the things that amazes me is how many people are saying:

"I completely disagree with how Anet has handled/managed GW1, BUT...I am going to happily support them and buy GW2".

Amazes me really.

Why? It's not like I'm supporting euthanasia or something. I'm supporting a video game company. It shouldn't be taken seriously. Giving them money isn't sinful.

Abedeus · Nov 14, 2009, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Why? It's not like I'm supporting euthanasia or something. I'm supporting a video game company. It shouldn't be taken seriously. Giving them money isn't sinful.

What he means is that people say:

"Euthanasia is bad because 1), 2), but I will vote for it."

It's a contradiction. Especially in the gaming business, if you don't like something, you vote with your wallet. You don't buy 5 copies of a game "just to teach them a lesson".

Gun Pierson · Nov 14, 2009, 08:53 AM // 08:53

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

One of the things that amazes me is how many people are saying:

"I completely disagree with how Anet has handled/managed GW1, BUT...I am going to happily support them and buy GW2".

Amazes me really.

Well, what other games out there are like GW? None, Arenanet has a monopoly in that segment of the market.

leehai1980 · Nov 14, 2009, 09:04 AM // 09:04

I think you all will have to wait for a while after the release of the GW2 then buy it .Cos they might screw the GW2 again ... It seen like they cant learn from mistake . im getting bored after the UW nerf zzzz... Anyway i think they are already starting to screw GW2 up by delay and delay ...

Arduin · Nov 14, 2009, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by leehai1980

I think you all will have to wait for a while after the release of the GW2 then buy it .Cos they might screw the GW2 again ... It seen like they cant learn from mistake . im getting bored after the UW nerf zzzz... Anyway i think they are already starting to screw GW2 up by delay and delay ...

Everything was fine and dandy during Prophecies and Factions. Only after Nightfall and EotN GW started to display cracks. For me, that is.

You asking me to wait 2 years to see if the game is any better than GW1?

And GW2 has no delay, there never has been a release date. Also, it has only been in development for ~3 years, expect 2 more, 5 years are an average of MMO-building.

Fril Estelin · Nov 14, 2009, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

One of the things that amazes me is how many people are saying:

"I completely disagree with how Anet has handled/managed GW1, BUT...I am going to happily support them and buy GW2".

Amazes me really.

The kind of parallels you draw between GW1 and GW2 borders at times on the amazing. As if ANY company would treat the follow up game of its franchise the same way as previous chapters, making the same mistakes and never learning...

Tbh (and without any intention to attack you, let this be clear) you seem to have a "beef" with Anet and take it upon them here in this thread. If you were SO MUCH against them that there's no way you'd consider buying GW2, wouldn't you have moved to greener pastures? If you've been put off so much by their bad handling of GW1, why are you still here on the biggest fansite of the game they sell? Why not move on in your gaming life and let GW to the people that appreciate it? (I'm not saying that your viewpoint is not welcome here, but again it's about being consistent as your message indicates)

I really think as I said before that you have a selective memory. Over the last 4 years Anet sold us 4 no-subscription MMO/CORPG/whatever-you-call-it videogame chapters with very regular updates, community/week-end events and many other changes. We had and still have a vibrant community overall, I mean "overall" (Guru still has a high throughput). There are big regrets but they can only hide the positive aspects if you've been directly hit by most of them (eg high-end PvP, high-end trading, etc.). Overall there's been a lot more positive than negative, even considering how important these negatives were, and that seems to be the overall impression in this thread.

It doesn't remove the validity of your viewpoint in any way, you're entitled to your opinion and no one has the right to dismiss it. But when put in perspective, it may well be a minority opinion. We'll only know when GW2 is on the shelves.

DreamWind · Nov 14, 2009, 10:03 AM // 10:03

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