Curse

Reformed · Nov 21, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by KageNoShi

Well my phantasmal butt just got handed to me by Dhuum in hard mode along with the rest of the Mobway group I was in(PuGs+No experience in fighting Dhuum=/= success).

Also whats this about an SF nerf I wasn't paying attention?

I don't think that was a winnable fight tbh, so good luck "balanced" is all I can say. The whole bb Dhuum tactic vic wanted didn't work out so hot when he just melts into the floor either. On the plus side Chinese was pretty damn pro

Crystal Lake · Nov 21, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Dumb question, but what's "The AI".

Arduin · Nov 21, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Crystal Lake

Dumb question, but what's "The AI".

Artificial Intelligence. The way the foes are programmed to respond.

Abedeus · Nov 21, 2009, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by Crystal Lake

Dumb question, but what's "The AI".

Artificial Intelligence. Or Aeropuerto Internacional. I think that the first one is better, no?

KageNoShi · Nov 21, 2009, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by Reformed

I don't think that was a winnable fight tbh, so good luck "balanced" is all I can say. The whole bb Dhuum tactic vic wanted didn't work out so hot when he just melts into the floor either. On the plus side Chinese was pretty damn pro

Yeah that guy was pro and that went horribly when that happened, was completely not ready for that.

bloodvayne · Nov 21, 2009, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Reformed

so good luck "balanced" is all I can say.

Meh, went in with a balanced PuG in NM, did UW+Dhuum fine, probably would have been just as successful in NM.

Took a while tho

Atrenim · Nov 21, 2009, 08:14 PM // 20:14

In any other FREE MMORPG you would have to deal with crappy skills and glitched quest and wait for updates, for years at a time, and here everyone is DEMANDING change. Who the hell do half of you think you are? You'll never be happy with the changes, so why should Anet do anything to appease you? Money? Guess what? No matter how many of you "veterans" leave new players will always join, and those of us, like me, who have had bad experiences with games that truly have bad Community Relations will see how good Guild Wars is.

If you don't like the game, QUIT! Simple. Quick. Easy. Done.

Abedeus · Nov 21, 2009, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Atrenim

In any other FREE MMORPG you would have to deal with crappy skills and glitched quest and wait for updates, for years at a time, and here everyone is DEMANDING change. Who the hell do half of you think you are?

We are potential customers and players with 4+ years of experience. Who the hell are you to talk to us this way?

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You'll never be happy with the changes, so why should Anet do anything to appease you? Money? Guess what? No matter how many of you "veterans" leave new players will always join,

If this was the case, it would mean that MMOs ALWAYS have more players with each month.

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and those of us, like me, who have had bad experiences with games that truly have bad Community Relations will see how good Guild Wars is.

You mean like WAR's CRs, who even after the game's failure are still active and talking with the community? Or Champions Online's CRs, who talk with players pretty often in-game and visit the boards?

GW has pretty abyssmal CRs, especially when it comes to PvE or PvP balancing. "We reduced the SC speed from 7 minutes to 85". Yeah, nice, you took the fastest clear and compared it to the first group to defeat Dhuum... Sometimes I think they've got a different version of the game.

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If you don't like the game, QUIT! Simple. Quick. Easy. Done.

It's fanboys like you that ruin games with potential, like WAR or Aion.

"- We don't like this, this, or this in the game. Please, if you could fix it, we would be grateful. This would really improve the game.
- LOL STFU TROLLS, GTFO QQ MORONS!!"

Reformed · Nov 21, 2009, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by bloodvayne

Meh, went in with a balanced PuG in NM, did UW+Dhuum fine, probably would have been just as successful in NM.

Took a while tho

You balance pugged HM or NM? Normal I could see but Hard is beastly. Even if you do clear Servants, Dhuum himself is outrageous.

Fox Reeveheart · Nov 21, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

If I can't do UW as a derv, I sure as heck won't be able to get to dhuum.

Thus I have absolutely no interest in this update, I don't wanna be forced into being some kinda perma or monk to do this.

Fail update is fail, i'll just wait till next year when mini and scythe prices are reasonable.

IlikeGW · Nov 21, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Atrenim

In any other FREE MMORPG you would have to deal with crappy skills and glitched quest and wait for updates, for years at a time, and here everyone is DEMANDING change.

That's a ridiculous comparison. Obviously the people here don't play games that crappy to begin with, so you're saying we should be happy we're not playing crap... well we already have enough of a brain not to. GW isn't pure crap like those games. It's highly polished on many levels. That doesn't mean we shouldn't expect it can get better. Or if playing isn't satisfying, we shouldn't talk about it.

bloodvayne · Nov 21, 2009, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Reformed

You balance pugged HM or NM? Normal I could see but Hard is beastly. Even if you do clear Servants, Dhuum himself is outrageous.

NM. And we had a Monk leave when we got to Dhuum.
We did all of UW with, pretty much no problems, I think if the group tried we could have done HM, Dhuum too.
I'm not going by experience of course, just reasoning, I do believe it's possible.

KageNoShi · Nov 21, 2009, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart

If I can't do UW as a derv, I sure as heck won't be able to get to dhuum.

Thus I have absolutely no interest in this update, I don't wanna be forced into being some kinda perma or monk to do this.

Fail update is fail, i'll just wait till next year when mini and scythe prices are reasonable.

Same I'm just going to wait and farm armbraces till things go down in price(mini smite crawler 400e unded

/faint). Also as persistant as I've been with groups, balanced can't get past wastes, and the gimmick groups I've been in can't kill Dhuum so I guess that says something...

hate my luck with groups.

HawkofStorms · Nov 21, 2009, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Hissy

Funny how people choose the past behaviour that suits them, and ignore the rest. On guru, that generally means choosing the bits that suit wallowing in a cesspool of pessimism and depression (the place that people go when they exhausted a game, but for some reason just can't move on)

Me, if past behaviour is anything to go by, I personally would expect GW2 to be an awesome game, have at least 3 years of excellent support and content updates... maybe winding down after that but still with decent updates and support while A-Net works on The Next Big Thing.

Quoted for truth.

Rose tinted glasses.

beanerman_99 · Nov 21, 2009, 11:53 PM // 23:53

tried to do the UW today with some aliance members. None of us had ever completed UW before. I knew a little but not a whole lot. We got to the bone pits and talked to the reaper and in about 5 seconds it was game over. We had no idea that we were supposed to stand where the spirits spawn. We had fun none the less and are going to read up on wiki and give another go tomorrow. We were using a pretty balanced team with no gimmicks really. We did very well until we failed because of lack of foresight and knowledge about UW. what I fear is that we didn't have a true tank and will probably get owned by the four horsemen. I just hate that you need a specific build to beat any area. I like it when you can take any builds and beat any area. Oh well.

I just wish UW had rez shrines like the EoTN dungeons have.

/ the important thing is that we all had fun and one member got 2 ectos! The rest of us got notta

Tarantula · Nov 22, 2009, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by KageNoShi

Same I'm just going to wait and farm armbraces till things go down in price(mini smite crawler 400e unded

/faint). Also as persistant as I've been with groups, balanced can't get past wastes, and the gimmick groups I've been in can't kill Dhuum so I guess that says something...

hate my luck with groups.

Me and some friends have tried to get through wastes (Servants of Grenth) and failed every time. So us getting to Dhuum seems to be pretty much impossible. Pugs don't work, and there are not enough of us in the guild or friend group that would be interested in doing this or would have the experience.
And I even took the quest for all my characters.. -_- Doesn't seem like I'm going to get the reward for any of them.

I'm sure Dhuum is a very impressive boss to kill and some people actually get to kill him but I must say I have ran out of ideas to finish UW.

It was a great update.. As an idea.

The Drunkard · Nov 22, 2009, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by headlesshobbs

I'm siding with Atrenim, you all complain too much. In fact that's all you ever do.

That's because the posters that did have good reccomendations to the game (such as Ensign) have been ignored or given the "we'll look into it" excuse. Pvp has been ignored ever since factions was released, though Andrew did a decent job in trying to bring the issues up with Anet. As soon as you cut ties with the community, resentment stirs. If anet was more vocal and receptive to the community, the responses would be a bit different.

isildorbiafra · Nov 22, 2009, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Way to go Anet: "Fixed a bug that caused a big with the intended initial bug" Sounds buggy to me

BTW I'm still getting DC's in the UW at a rate of 3 miles/ hour. ^^

Shadowspawn X · Nov 22, 2009, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by beanerman_99

None of us had ever completed UW before.

This is the main fact that 95% of the QQ'rs are leaving out. The UW has been down there four years and they never bothered to learn it, then a new mini or two comes out and they cry because they can get to the chest on a whim.

shoyon456 · Nov 22, 2009, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

This is the main fact that 95% of the QQ'rs are leaving out. The UW has been down there four years and they never bothered to learn it, then a new mini or two comes out and they cry because they can get to the chest on a whim.

UW wasn't hard. I have beaten it many times since 2006 when I began playing, always balanced or some group build that didn't abuse the preferred farming method of the time.

The new updates, combined with the difficulty of Dhuum itself is the problem. It's been mentioned before, but someone in Anet is on drugs if in order to reduce UWSC, they thought first making it difficult for ALL teams and then nerfing Shadow Form a month later (behind schedule I might add) was a bright idea.

I really don't care about the minis, and although I wouldn't mind the scythe, I'd really just like to clear UW/Dhuum, or at least fight him, without having to roll an SF sin or grab my monk and get in an SF group. I'm not saying its impossible to do this now, but its certainly not probable. Its counterproductive to nerf UWSC time, but make it so in order to have a good chance of clearing, its best to run an SF group.