Curse

Gun Pierson · Dec 02, 2009, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

It still works? Curious

I just went ingame to test it with witchbrew and it doesn't work. However someone should test it with 'spiked eggnog' and zoning in and out of 'Nolani Acedemy' and the playable area. That's where I was still able to do it with spiked eggnog after the update. However they might have fixed it by now so my apologies if it doesn't work anymore.

Winry Sagara · Dec 02, 2009, 01:03 PM // 13:03

I've done this title entirely clicking alchool. What is the meaning of a title made by a program? It's a game, so, start playing the game.

Dzjudz · Dec 02, 2009, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I just went ingame to test it with witchbrew and it doesn't work. However someone should test it with 'spiked eggnog' and zoning in and out of 'Nolani Acedemy' and the playable area. That's where I was still able to do it with spiked eggnog after the update. However they might have fixed it by now so my apologies if it doesn't work anymore.

Does the time matter, or can you just do it all the time. I think I read a thread somewhere about a mapping trick that it would only work in certain outposts and certain windows, like from 20sec in the minute to 50sec in the minute. If this Nolani thing works all the time I'll try it with my kegs of aged hunter's ale (lvl5). Awaiting your response

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Shadowmoon · Dec 02, 2009, 01:13 PM // 13:13

So exploiting a in game glitch is less against the EULA than using a auto clicker. But that being said very few people have the title not using one or both of these exploits. My guess it is like the Guild Hall glitch from 2 years ago, to many people use it to justify a mass banning.

Riot Narita · Dec 02, 2009, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

It certainly is abysmal design.

Not really. Drunk effects were in the game before titles came along. At that time, you just did it occasionally for the silly screen effects. Design was perfectly adequate for its original purpose.

But... when titles came along, ANet didn't see fit to change the mechanism. I imagine they wanted people to earn the title slowly over a long time. Swig some ale while chatting with friends in town, or suffer the consequence of playing while drunk, etc. The max title would then have shown that the owner was drinking constantly while playing the game/socialising and was indeed, an alcoholic.

But it seems that was naive - most people just switch off post-processing effects, and look for the fastest, easiest way to get the max title.

The existance of KoaBD title track didn't help. I am no angel, I did the zone-and-get-3-minutes-instantly trick, all the way to max title. And I only did it to advance in KoaBD.

I'll look for easy ways to do things... but using a bot is going too far. It's a line I won't cross, no matter what. Risk of ban from drunkbot might be small, but it's still a risk... and I'd never risk losing my account. What use are titles on a banned account? Save some time on drunkard, but lose all the time you spent on other titles? Just not worth it.

Wuhy · Dec 02, 2009, 01:32 PM // 13:32

I botted 60% of it, I did not get banned and I doubt anet cares about this either.

Killed u man · Dec 02, 2009, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by Winry Sagara

I've done this title entirely clicking alchool. What is the meaning of a title made by a program? It's a game, so, start playing the game.

Do you understand the irony of your statement here? Why would ANYONE want to play a game where the objective is to double click your screen once a minute. Heck, let's spice it up a bit, cuz it's already such crazy fun, you can ALSO double click TWICE every 2 minutes. Or let's just go completely bonkers, I know: "what is this clown saying? Even MORE crazy fun than clicking twice every 2 minutes?". Yes! You can also double click 3 TIMES (!!!) every 3 minutes.

I know, I know, NO game is that fun...

But in all seriousness, WHAT exactly is supposed to be challenging and fun about the drunkardtitle. If anything, it's fun for an hour orso to farm PvE while drunk, and even then, it just gets obnoxious, and you'll find yourself being annoyed by it.

Winry Sagara · Dec 02, 2009, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Anything in this game is a challenge. So, I take everything as a chanche to do something. And, in this case, something to do in an honest way, the way that Anet has thinked for us.

For the beginning question. I was a gm in another game and my occupation, in addiction of my work of gm, was watching internet cheating community. I've read about many people banned for drunkard bot.

From wiki about the option "/report":

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The Reporting Interface
The in-game reporting interface

To bring up the reporting interface, either:

* select the player you want to report, and type /report.
* type /report [Character Name], replacing [Character Name] with the character's name (make sure you don't have anyone selected). The character must be in the same outpost and district as you.

There are currently six options available. Here they are, along with their in-game descriptions:

1. Botting
Reporting a player for botting sends a notification to the GM team. GMs may conduct a careful review of that player's behavior. If it is confirmed that the player has been running a bot, that player's account will be banned.
WARNING: Abuse of the report feature may lead to your account being banned.

Gun Pierson · Dec 02, 2009, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Does the time matter, or can you just do it all the time. I think I read a thread somewhere about a mapping trick that it would only work in certain outposts and certain windows, like from 20sec in the minute to 50sec in the minute. If this Nolani thing works all the time I'll try it with my kegs of aged hunter's ale (lvl5). Awaiting your response

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All I can say is that when I did it with spiked egnogg, it was possible to do it all the time, zone in, zone out and the drunken effect would be gone and the 3 points added to the drunken title. It was after the update as I remember it didn't work in a lot of outposts anymore. The weird thing was that some areas gave like one point only when zoning, while spiked eggnog gives 3 points normally. So after a while of testing outposts I stumbled upon Nolana Academy where it still worked.

Sharkinu · Dec 02, 2009, 02:04 PM // 14:04

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Originally Posted by Hissy

I imagine they wanted people to earn the title slowly over a long time. Swig some ale while chatting with friends in town, or suffer the consequence of playing while drunk, etc.

Lol, that is exactly what I am doing. Usually I spend hours in outpost just for chatting with friends so drinking booze while doing that is not a problem.

Also often I do it this way:I move the hero panel to the left and alt-tab to an unmaximized window. So i can see when the 3 minutes are over to drink anothee bottle.

Replace firefox with visual studio, a video player, a pdf reader or even another game that can be played in window mode.

Riot Narita · Dec 02, 2009, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

All I can say is that when I did it with spiked egnogg, it was possible to do it all the time, zone in, zone out and the drunken effect would be gone and the 3 points added to the drunken title. It was after the update as I remember it didn't work in a lot of outposts anymore. The weird thing was that some areas gave like one point only when zoning, while spiked eggnog gives 3 points normally. So after a while of testing outposts I stumbled upon Nolana Academy where it still worked.

When I did it... you had to travel round outposts testing for one that was working. Drink, zone to another town (preferably nearby on the map) or change districts (eg. Euro to international). Check to see if you got instant 3 points. You didn't lose any alcohol minutes doing this, you just got your points at the normal rate.

Once you found a zoning combination that worked, you blew off as much alcohol as you could before the zone stopped working. There was no "window", it just worked every time. But every zone would stop working sooner or later - usually within hours, but sometimes after just a few minutes. You had to keep your eye on the points to make sure it was still working.

I'm not sure it still works anywhere - there was an update about a year ago "Fixed a bug that caused drunk effects to fade after zoning". I don't know what that was exactly... but it sounds a lot like stopping you going from level 5 drunk to zero on zoning, and thereby getting an instant 3 points to your title. If ANet nerfed the zoning method, that's probably when it happened.

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Originally Posted by Sharkinu

Also often I do it this way:I move the hero panel to the left and alt-tab to an unmaximized window. So i can see when the 3 minutes are over to drink anothee bottle.

Heh. Before I discovered the zoning method I used to just drink while playing too (post-processing turned off). I made my own little app using VB... drink in game then click in the app to add 1 or 3 minutes. The app would give me an audio warning each minute and a big warning if I was about to drop from level 2 drunk to level 1 drunk...

Winry Sagara · Dec 02, 2009, 02:32 PM // 14:32

My method:

window mode, like Sharkinu show us, then I drink one 5-level alchoon. Then, I've got a timer, setted in 2 minutes. Every 2 minutes, this time made a bip. When I hear this bip I drink 2 1-level alchool.

I've done this method when I was studying, reading, watching tv, chatting with friends, while doing dungeons run (not by me), doing nothing in GW, surfing on the web. 6/7 months and I've finished the title. ^^

AmbientMelody · Dec 02, 2009, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by bsoltan

If you are that lazy that you can't write "banned" in your thread title I understand you being too lazy to do a few mouse clicks.

I don't cheat myself so I would never use one, anyway the risk is always there that one could get banned. As long as you don't complain if you get banned and you are happy at cheating your way to the title then I guess there is nothing else to discourage people.

@bsoltan and other like-minded people

I'm afraid the only cheater here is the Anet itself, they 'cheated' on players by introducing many grind titles despite their initial promises of what the game is and will be all about. Basically they forced players to find most time&effort-efficient builds to clear instances as fast as possible, accumulate as much gold and materials as possible, complete titles as fast as possible.

Drunkard title is merely a cherry on the pie. Personally I'd rather get myself banned for getting drunkard with autoclicker than waste my real life on such repetitive, frustrating and idiotic task. That's what for humans made machines and automated programs doing the same algorithm of tasks over and over - because doing it with your own hands or mind is simply inhuman. No creative thinking involved, no depth of the task at hand, something a machine could do much better and human shouldn't waste his time upon.

I'm seriously horrified by the mentality of 'decent citizen of past century' of some people. You think someone cheats just because he doesn't agree with what 'big people' have planned for him, his future, his life?

What's truly immoral is that company which promised non-grind game introduced strictly grinding content and told all of it's existing and future customers 'suck it up!'. That's what in my opinion is immoral, unethical, simply cheating. Cheating on your customer, designing your game content in such a ridiculous way some tasks are too hard, too annoying, too inhuman or impossible to do without third party programs. It's even more immoral when that company threatens you of stealing away your time, effort and entire account for using such programs. Don't bring up silly argument that 'you just got the license to use the account, you can always lose the license', waste of your time. Think for the future, your future maybe.

It's not hacking the game to get advantage over others, it's not botting to generate income without any effort spent in the game. All of those people using autoclicker to max out drunkard did that in good will - either they believed idea was good but implementation poor (yet they persisted on making use of this game content) or they thought their real life time is too precious to waste on such ridiculous task. I won't even speak to which degree 'ethical' or 'moral' is prioritising time spent on computer game over your family, friends and job. Just because you have too much free time on your hands, doesn't mean someone else has. Grow up, seriously, I dare you to do that.

AngelWJedi · Dec 02, 2009, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

AFK without using bots to gain title is not against the EULA. You are in no way manipulating the game. The game design allows for players to take advantage of gaining title while afk. Only thing that can get you banned is idiocy.

so true its idiots like people who name their eles fire nipples who get banned not afking for 9 rings,or dungeons runs extra.

Wuhy · Dec 02, 2009, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

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^this.

12 chars.

Winry Sagara · Dec 02, 2009, 03:31 PM // 15:31

FONT: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

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22. You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.

Going afk on nine ring is not forbidden because you didn't use any third-party program. Using the drunkard bot is forbidden for the rule I've just reported above.

Gift3d · Dec 02, 2009, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by DragonRogue

I was under the assumption that anet had already stated that an auto clicker was not considered a bot and had already stated that they were allowed, such as gaile grey had stated about texmods. However i have been unable to find where i read that now. I have not heard of anyone being banned for this, and i know many who have used them with no issues. However, i think its time that Regina make a formal statement on this topic. Put this discussion to bed.

you're ass backwards. gaile said it is considered a bot, and you can be banned for it, but basically "said without saying" that they don't give a damn and nothing will happen.

use it. nothing will happen. i know tons of people who have put together simple two-line repeating scripts to get their drunkard while they're afk, and nothing happened.

if you google "guild wars drunk bot auto clicker" or some stuff, and download from the first site you see though, don't forget to state (NOT A QQ TRED!) in the title of your next thread about how your account got hacked.

Rose Rune · Dec 02, 2009, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by BoxOfCox

Originally Posted by bsoltan
I found out about the internet yesterday so I immediately call out OP for spelling "banned" "b&," but I am too lazy to read his actual post to observe that it has the Grammar Nazi stamp of approval, which would have made it obvious that the "b&" wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I proceed to describe a task which when done legitimately would take at least 20,000 mouse clicks as "a few mouse clicks."

I stroke my epeen as I reveal to Guru that I've never cheated, even though that has nothing to do with the topic. In order to make my post seem slightly relevant, I put on my captain obvious cape and mention that there is a risk of getting banned for using a bot. Finally, I make the assumption that the OP is intending to bot the drunkard title, and imply that he should somehow feel "unhappy" about achieving the title in such a way, little do I know that OP doesn't give a rat's ass and would feel the same whether he got the title by clicking, botting, or did not have the title at all.

This is what I saw when I read your post.

I LOL'd

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And I have been told before, although I now realize it's still illegal, that using the drunkard bot while inside your Guild Hall is okay. I know quite a few people who have used the drunkard bot to max their title and I really thought nothing of it, and I still think nothing of it. I have never heard of anyone getting banned from using it if their not sitting in a big town going "Look everyone, I'm using a drunkard bot and you're all to nub to use one!" It seems that if you do not go tell people that you're botting you won't get reported. GG

worstnameevar · Dec 02, 2009, 04:53 PM // 16:53

What I can't seem to grasp is the fact that no one in this thread has even mentioned grog. It's timer is clearly shown in the Effects Monitor portion of your screen, you get your full three minutes before the timer runs out so there's leeway in when you need to pop one, and you get to shout random pirate obscenities... who wouldn't want that? There are simpler ways of getting this title other than cheating.

To Chicken To Die · Dec 02, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Winry Sagara

My method:

window mode, like Sharkinu show us, then I drink one 5-level alchoon. Then, I've got a timer, setted in 2 minutes. Every 2 minutes, this time made a bip. When I hear this bip I drink 2 1-level alchool.

I've done this method when I was studying, reading, watching tv, chatting with friends, while doing dungeons run (not by me), doing nothing in GW, surfing on the web. 6/7 months and I've finished the title. ^^

I have been wondering how a GM make the difference by using these methods with no third party programs and the "bot programs". If only monitoring they should see the same results. Were is the proof you went afk and looked after 3 min or you simply used a bot clicking every 3 min with a interval of a few sec?