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ACWhammy · Feb 25, 2010, 07:51 PM // 19:51

I bet you anything people will be buying GW2 gold with their GW1 gold

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Originally Posted by Ravious

Some people just like amassing wealth. Like IRL. We are all going to die anyway so why amass wealth?

You are so right. No matter who you are, how powerful you are, how much money you have, you are dying broke. You were born into this world naked and broke, you die naked and broke.

Ravious · Feb 25, 2010, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by esthetic

That is kinda sad.. GW v. Real Life comparison.. or maybe its not sad but profound... idk...

Live in the moment, friend.

Shayne Hawke · Feb 25, 2010, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by esthetic

do you really think that ANet will make HoM the only path to the end all, be all, neat-o benefit in GW2?

Yes. Do you have any evidence to show me otherwise?

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To base benefits on something that they, ANet, will have a hard time making future money on?

Depends entirely on the kind of reward that's given out by the HoM. Some people might get GW2 without first buying GW, see those rewards that they could be earning, and decide to buy GW to get those rewards.

And GW could even continue to exist as a standalone game, depending on how well it is maintained or what kind of status it would be in without any future updates.

Revolutionen · Feb 25, 2010, 08:39 PM // 20:39

can u guys imagen the price of diamonds at end of gw1? lol they will be like 100k ea I bet

jazilla · Feb 25, 2010, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Kind of my point its all gonna be devalued anyway so whats all the hub bub? Not in a couple of years but next year by this time. --directed at the players.

Why spend time and money on restricting how some people play the game? In an overall best interests of the company perspective how does this help the bottom line for ANEt?---directed at the ANet management

I didn't realize that trolls which are indiginous to Tyria had access to forums. I was wrong. My bad.

Yawgmoth · Feb 25, 2010, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Since I don't expect GW1 to just die when GW2 comes out, the rare items including the very old weapons worth hundreds of ectos won't become worthless. There won't be any bubble bursting. Some people will keep playing GW1 and to them those items will remain valuable. Many superrare items will become dramatically more rare since lots of accounts will get abandoned and this will balance out the expected dramatic decrease of active players population.

Remember those items are priced in GW1 currency, and the GW1 currency will not just disappear from the game - the stacks of ectos will still be there just as the rare items, and HoM is NOT an ecto/gold sink by itself.

esthetic · Feb 25, 2010, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Some people might get GW2 without first buying GW, see those rewards that they could be earning, and decide to buy GW to get those rewards.

And GW could even continue to exist as a standalone game, depending on how well it is maintained or what kind of status it would be in without any future updates.

Wow, you really think that... Someone will actually buy a dead game, GW1, IDK how much it would cost then maybe 9.99USD?, and grind(hours and hours, days and days), which will take time away from playing the GW2, to get a benefit in GW2?

Well, you may, but the vast majority of players new and old.. I bet will not.

I think its kinda getting off topic.. my point is that IMO people should stop stressing about how other people playing the game and getting their shinnies in this game. ANet should stop spending time and resources to placate some of the Hardcore GW players who are hellbent on playing Governor of GW.

Martin Alvito · Feb 25, 2010, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Kind of my point its all gonna be devalued anyway so whats all the hub bub? Not in a couple of years but next year by this time. --directed at the players.

Most people live in the present, not a year or two years from now. Right now, mass ecto farming has consequences some people don't like. So they want it gone.

It's not that anyone really wants to influence how you play the game. It's that your behavior, and the behavior of thousands of players like you, cumulatively has a large impact on item markets in the game. That effect is undesirable for other players. In economics jargon, this type of problem is called an externality. Since there's no way for the players affected to punish you directly, all that they can do is appeal to ANet to make changes to the game that resolve the externality.

Since ANet made killing overpowered farms part of their anti-botting strategy, it's reasonable for those players to expect some action on ANet's part. Precedent is on the anti-SF crowd's side.

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Wow, you really think that... Someone will actually buy a dead game, GW1, IDK how much it would cost then maybe 9.99USD?, and grind(hours and hours, days and days), which will take time away from playing the GW2, to get a benefit in GW2?

This depends entirely upon the fair market value of the benefit in GW2 from the item in GW1. It may be more efficient to farm in that manner.

esthetic · Feb 25, 2010, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Since I don't expect GW1 to just die when GW2 comes out, the rare items including the very old weapons worth hundreds of ectos won't become worthless. There won't be any bubble bursting. Some people will keep playing GW1 and to them those items will remain valuable. Many superrare items will become dramatically more rare since lots of accounts will get abandoned and this will balance out the expected dramatic decrease of active players population.

Remember those items are priced in GW1 currency, and the GW1 currency will not just disappear from the game - the stacks of ectos will still be there just as the rare items, and HoM is NOT an ecto/gold sink by itself.

I think that people with 100,000 ectos may continue to play GW cause they have spent so much time and effort to amass it. But if they do they will not be able to spend the time on GW2. Sure items will become more rare but that does not translate to increased value. Value is determined by how much someone will pay for something. There will be a loud "SHWOOSH" when GW2 starts... the sound of disappearing demand.

chessyang · Feb 25, 2010, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by esthetic

I am no economist but... I can make this prediction for you.

sold! i'll predict the same when Diablo 3 comes out. i can't wait.

Grunntar · Feb 25, 2010, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by esthetic

So why do you care people are able to speed clear some higher difficulty areas solo or duo for their shinnies

It's not about bright shiny objects. Not always. Some people value these activities for what it is. It's something to do in-game, and with friends...

And Anet is taking it away! Almost as if they control how we have fun!

And *that* is what they object to! (Well, some of them, anyways.)

[For the record, I'm not one of these people. You can measure the time I spend in Shadow Form by "several minutes per week" not "several hours per day"...]

YunSooJin · Feb 25, 2010, 09:06 PM // 21:06

so give me all your items!

Bob Slydell · Feb 25, 2010, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by esthetic

I am no economist but... I can make this prediction for you. In a year or less, all your in game shinnies will be valued for what they really are.. pixels. This game is going to die off as GW2 is underway and ppl stop playing GW and ANet stops spending resources on GW.

And ever since the beginning of time, life as we know it has always been pointless atoms and molecules.

How come you even bothered playing Guild Wars, and how come you will buy GW2?

Enough with the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bullshit Guild Wars doomsday threads. It's getting really RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing old.

carnage-runner · Feb 25, 2010, 09:10 PM // 21:10

OP's a noob.. Explaination coming.

You refer to things as "shinies". That in itself is rather silly. I know a lot of people who don't play the game for wealth who have amassed a lot of it. A lot of people play for the fun of getting a good time on an SC or getting a cool skin drop for them or making enough ecto to purchase it. Whether or not it is worthless in 1 year is irrelevant. Just because I'm going to assume that you are too broke to afford things and this is your cry session doesn't mean you can make lament statements about others interests and the value of something in a game. Everyone knows that HoM gives us a reason to make more fake money. Things that can go towards that HoM are gonna continue going up in cost, naturally, that doesn't mean much though.

OP's a noob, this thread is pathetic. Making a statement like "Guildwars is going to end" is pretty stupid. Of course it is, and everything with it as well. The HoM is what will remind us and others of our accomplishments in GW1...

OP... quit crying, and go play WoW.

The-Bigz · Feb 25, 2010, 09:11 PM // 21:11

I thought that some of the people that replied to this thread were intelligent before they replied to this thread.

-1 to you guys. Dont feed the failtrain.

And to OP - Were pixels ever anything other then pixels to begin with?

Damit I fed the failtrain.

Phaern Majes · Feb 25, 2010, 09:17 PM // 21:17

The reason people "care" about Anet allowing speed clears and other forms of easy/fast farming is that Anet has always stated that Guild Wars is a game where skill > time played. Most these farming builds don't require any skill to play, your wealth then becomes dependent on how much time you can spend playing. While everything you can buy with your wealth may be purely cosmetic, the point is the casual player can't achieve the same "status" even if they happen to be more skilled.

The reason people care despite GW2 coming out, is that if ANet allows this in GW1 then whats to stop them from adopting this policy of time > skill for GW2? The reason I enjoyed the first year of Guild Wars more than any time after, is the fact people weren't obsessing on optimal builds. If you could play your build skillfully and get the job done, then you would get into groups, regardless of the skill set.

Now its all about being able to run a basic set of 8 skills over and over as quickly as possibly. If this is the policy Anet supports then I won't be buying Guild Wars 2.

The-Bigz · Feb 25, 2010, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes

Now its all about being able to run a basic set of 8 skills over and over as quickly as possibly. If this is the policy Anet supports then I won't be buying Guild Wars 2.

Then you wont be buying GW2. Hello epic shitters in PvP, hello epic 'I hit the wrong skill at the wrong time but wiki said this we can re-do the run sorry' in PvE.

esthetic · Feb 25, 2010, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes

The reason people "care" about Anet allowing speed clears and other forms of easy/fast farming is that Anet has always stated that Guild Wars is a game where skill > time played. Most these farming builds don't require any skill to play, your wealth then becomes dependent on how much time you can spend playing. While everything you can buy with your wealth may be purely cosmetic, the point is the casual player can't achieve the same "status" even if they happen to be more skilled.

The reason people care despite GW2 coming out, is that if ANet allows this in GW1 then whats to stop them from adopting this policy of time > skill for GW2? The reason I enjoyed the first year of Guild Wars more than any time after, is the fact people weren't obsessing on optimal builds. If you could play your build skillfully and get the job done, then you would get into groups, regardless of the skill set.

Now its all about being able to run a basic set of 8 skills over and over as quickly as possibly. If this is the policy Anet supports then I won't be buying Guild Wars 2.

Hmm in theory maybe but in practice i have to disagree.. Looking at how some of the titles are set up in GW it is indeed TIME > skill. Also, farming builds are easy to use so it can be used by the casual player to get their ectos. You want casual players to get "status", i guess you refer to having ectos. So how does eliminating farming builds do this?

It should be about how you play the game not how others play.

Skyy High · Feb 25, 2010, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by esthetic

I don't see how this comment relates to my post. To be more plain. Why care about others using SF and 600 Smite? Just play the game and enjoy it for what it is not about the shinnies.

A) Because it'd be comforting to go into GW2 knowing that they acknowledged that skills like SF don't belong in a game like GW. A show of faith, if you will. It's also utter bullcrap that Ursan got (rightfully) nerfed, but SF has been going strong for this amount of time. I want consistency with skill balances.

B) Because it'd be nice to participate in a PUG that wasn't running SF. Even if it was some other gimmicky bullshit, we've had, what, 2 years of SF being meta now? Shake it up already.

C) Because people still like their shinies, and want to acquire their shinies, for various reasons (HoM not least among them). If the most powerful farming builds are nerfed, then the gap between what farmers make and what you can make through relatively play lessens, at least a bit, so it's easier for people who just don't feel like making a SF sin, dammitall, to buy stuff.

esthetic · Feb 25, 2010, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

OP's a noob.. Explaination coming.

You refer to things as "shinies". That in itself is rather silly. I know a lot of people who don't play the game for wealth who have amassed a lot of it. A lot of people play for the fun of getting a good time on an SC or getting a cool skin drop for them or making enough ecto to purchase it. Whether or not it is worthless in 1 year is irrelevant. Just because I'm going to assume that you are too broke to afford things and this is your cry session doesn't mean you can make lament statements about others interests and the value of something in a game. Everyone knows that HoM gives us a reason to make more fake money. Things that can go towards that HoM are gonna continue going up in cost, naturally, that doesn't mean much though.

OP's a noob, this thread is pathetic. Making a statement like "Guildwars is going to end" is pretty stupid. Of course it is, and everything with it as well. The HoM is what will remind us and others of our accomplishments in GW1...

OP... quit crying, and go play WoW.

Wow, and sorry you completely missed my point. This is a happy post for me. BTW, I have more than i need in this game.. Stopped playing a year ago cause I got everything i wanted.

My point or the purpose of this thread is to point out that it is meaningless, counterproductive, wasteful, to spend time and money trying to eliminate farming builds. Because... GW is coming to an end. Stop stressing about how much ectos you have he has, how you get them, how he gets them.