Curse

aspi · Feb 21, 2010, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Ah Now that I read it again it does have a certain sarcasm ring to it. doh

Cuilan · Feb 21, 2010, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Puebert

The only reason you'd want to run a primary mesmer is for FC (which is pretty useless in pve tbh)

Speed is efficiency. You can get whatever spell up and in effect faster. Fast casting is weak because of the recharge times and energy.

This efficiency has been given freely to other professions from weapon mods, cons, and Mindbender. They may not be build in, but they are available to all and many times higher than what most mesmers have their fast casting set to (mine is never bellow 9).

The Mad Addict · Feb 21, 2010, 07:31 PM // 19:31

My necro owns pve so not sure what is going on here.

Eragon Zarroc · Feb 21, 2010, 07:49 PM // 19:49

necros bloodmagic is weak. buff it.

Cuilan · Feb 21, 2010, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

necros bloodmagic is weak. buff it.

Because your warrior needs more damage, SY spam, and adrenaline (energy management)?

drkn · Feb 21, 2010, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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I think Mesmer is the most useful secondary in the game, and really there is something to be said for that. I can use Mesmer effectively as a secondary on almost every character, if not all of them. I think people tend to forget this about Mesmer: It is really well rounded.

the problem is that secondary mesmers are damn useful, while being a primairy mesmer is a handicap for you.

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Problem isn't that Mesmer isn't effective, but that most people want Mesmer to dish out insane damage, and that isn't where Mesmer shines.

so where does he shine in pve?
my main mesmer would like to learn it, finally.

Chthon · Feb 21, 2010, 08:11 PM // 20:11

On a class-balance level, it's pretty obvious that mesmers need a buff.

On an attribute-line-balance level, it's equally obvious that blood needed a buff.

Blood is out and out worse than dom, ill, or insp. (Though it's pretty hard for anything to be worse than FC.)

I'll agree that several classes and attribute-lines that are in need of serious help got totally ignored. However, I don't think that buffing blood was at all a bad decision.

akio pwns · Feb 21, 2010, 08:16 PM // 20:16

no its just obvious, mes need buff. Look what they are going to do with rits... its not even fair.

In addition i think its anets fault that paragons and dervishes are weak in terms of farming and team play. They only gave them their "set" skills in nf and 12 more or so in eotn. While other classes like assassins, monks,eles, rits have 2 or more expansions which gave them additional skills.

blood magic doesnt need buff for pve. Its solid as it is. Other areas of the game need to be improved(proffesion skills)

FengShuiDove · Feb 21, 2010, 08:23 PM // 20:23

...you're kidding, right?

Good Mesmer builds exist for PvE hero and player, but they're far less malleable and all-encompassing than Necro builds, whose Soul Reaping and Signet of Lost Souls make them able to efficiently run any caster bar in the game.

A good Mesmer interrupter or punisher (think Domination) can be invaluable, but overall, Mesmers are locked into a few good skills, while Necros can employ the entire gamut of caster skills quite easily.

Blood Magic being pretty much the only exception, Necros are far better. And here we have a Blood Magic "buff" pending. In my opinion, PvE Mesmers and Dervs should be next on the list for buffs.

Puebert · Feb 21, 2010, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

Speed is efficiency. You can get whatever spell up and in effect faster. Fast casting is weak because of the recharge times and energy.

Which means FC alone isn't very useful.

athariel · Feb 21, 2010, 08:34 PM // 20:34

At least necros are wanted for manly spike groups, mesmers can smite >_> eles are unwanted everywhere

Dzjudz · Feb 21, 2010, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Another weak point of mesmer heroes is that both of the primary functions of most mesmer builds (hexing and interrupting) are executed terribly by heroes. They don't know what hex to cast on which foe and which interrupt to use when.

Trader of Secrets · Feb 21, 2010, 08:55 PM // 20:55

Me needs a more general pve buff.

maxxfury · Feb 21, 2010, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Puebert

I can't believe this was asked.

Its a reaction to the notes for the next patch i think.

I think the question really should have been,

should the necro blood magic line have gotten priority over the mesmer in general for the patch?

As we all know the mes has FAR fewer viable options than a necro does.

Winterclaw · Feb 21, 2010, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Mesmers, judging by the number of PvE vanqing builds that use necros vs the number of ones using mesmers.

Desert Rose · Feb 21, 2010, 09:09 PM // 21:09

Why always buff everything? One reason why mesmers only have limited use in PvE (HM) is because of powercreep.

Cuilan · Feb 21, 2010, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Does a large nerf list seem like something Anet would do? Would that be wise considering the various play styles and levels of play ability of players?

maxxfury · Feb 21, 2010, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Desert Rose

Why always buff everything? One reason why mesmers only have limited use in PvE (HM) is because of powercreep.

Truth..

Some of the more powerful stuff needs to be toned down, but also, some of the weaker stuff need buffing up a little to achieve balance. In future we kinda need more gentle skill balancing than that mad dartboard buffs that we have seen in recent years, that lead to what we got now.

But for sure, the past amount of OP buffs have caused todays situation, and there are no two ways around that fact.

Will we see a mass nerf bomb? reversing the power creep? not likley..
So most people calling for a buff, want a comparative buff for the underpowered stuff..to level the playing field..

cthulhu reborn · Feb 21, 2010, 10:00 PM // 22:00

I think anyone who says that mesmers need more love because everybody uses necro heroes is dumb.
A mesmer has always been a very unusual class that is a lot harder to run properly on AI. The sabway and discord builds that run around are easy for the AI to get. And those builds are built on repetition. When I play my necro, or rather one of em, I hate playing MM cause it's kinda boring. So leave it to the AI I figure.
But just cause you can make a nice AI army with necro's doesn't mean they are great to play as a player.
I used to play blood builds with my main necro because I liked it and over time it got completely nerfed to bits even though blood was for a long time considered crap. It's about friggin time they did something nice for blood magic.
Now mesmers are trickier to play, I do agree with that, but my mesmer has always been very effective in PvE.
As a side note I do play Gwen a lot when I run my Paragon, because admittedly she tends to be the first to get killed but with my Imbagon build she's fine and can do a lot of damage (VOR build).
But let's be honest when it comes to necro's...most people use sabway in pve and not necro players.

Daft Shifty · Feb 21, 2010, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

I use 3 hero necros and can stomp any 3 hero mesmers with them.

) Minions and Spirits rule PVE as it's so easy to play PVE with them in the front and just keeping them alive and powered up. Spirit Spamming and Minion Mastering rules!! What can a puny mesmer do? Run like hell and pray a warrior or sin doesn't get on her.

Maybe play more before posting. A well set up mesmer would oust a generic necro in most circumstances.