Curse

Rampage · Mar 08, 2010, 07:46 AM // 07:46

Before I start, let me say this: I'm not some dumb fanboy who thinks I deserve everything on a silver platter. This isn't a "OMG STOP CARING ABOUT HOW OTHERS PLAY THE GAME" thread. I've thought about it, and this is what I've come up with.

These are the opinions of a veteran player who hates the state of the game. This is the ugly truth.

I hate Shadow Form. I hate speed clears. I hate all the crap that should have never made it into the game. However, nerfing these skills is not the way to go at this point in the game.

Let's face it, the game is dying. It's 5 years old, we have the sequel coming out in a couple of years. Right now, ANet doesn't give a crap about balancing PvE. That's why they didn't kill SF and SCs in this update. Right now they're focusing on getting people to purchase GW2. They don't care about the state of GW1, the game is done. It's run its course, it's old, and it's 1000x more successful than ANet ever thought. That's all they can ask for.

Nerfing these skills isn't going to make the game good again. It's not going to make you old time players play again. It's not going to make the game fun again. What it's going to do is lose ANet customers. ANet = business, losing customers = bad for business. The majority of PvE players don't care about the quality of the game, they care about getting e-gold, useless titles and a bigger e-peen by plowing through elite areas in ridiculous amounts of time with no effort. The minority want the game to be like it was back in the good old days, Prophecies. Who are (should, even) be catering to? You guessed it.

So basically the game is dead, the majority want dumb skills like SF, and ANet wants to please the majority. Nerfing these skills is going to drive the majority away, and it isn't going to make the game any more fun for the minority. ANet ruined the game by giving us these skills, the damage is irreversible. Veteran players, move on. The game was great, the game is dead, play another game. You've been playing for years, it's over. Believe me, I wish it could be like the old days, but it can't. You can thank ANet for that. We had our fun, let them have what they call fun.

The veterans are right for the right reasons, but it's too late. The people abuse these skills are wrong, but for the right reasons.

Let the heated discussion begin.

fenix · Mar 08, 2010, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Very true thread. Game has been dead for a while, especially PvP. I don't know anyone who still plays, and none of the people I know who quit are regretting it.

Rampage · Mar 08, 2010, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by fenix

Very true thread. Game has been dead for a while, especially PvP. I don't know anyone who still plays, and none of the people I know who quit are regretting it.

This is exactly why there's no point in nerfing these skills. They don't belong in the game, but nerfing them is going to negatively effect the big picture more that it's going to help.

fenix · Mar 08, 2010, 07:58 AM // 07:58

Exactly. Despite the fact that it's beyond utterly retarded that skills like SF exist, it's not going to bring surges of players back once it's fixed. There's almost nothing that will do that, short of doing a HUGE balance (like, overhaul) and another GWWC.

Turbo Ginsu · Mar 08, 2010, 08:25 AM // 08:25

The OP is correct. Simple as that. IMO, they can now fire Reg, and hire this guy. At least he is honest.

Axel Zinfandel · Mar 08, 2010, 08:29 AM // 08:29

While I get where you're coming from, nerfing/buffing/ect spices up the gameplay of a game that's pretty fresh out of ideas. Frankly, if it weren't for skill balances, I wouldn't look back lol

Rampage · Mar 08, 2010, 08:32 AM // 08:32

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

While I get where you're coming from, nerfing/buffing/ect spices up the gameplay of a game that's pretty fresh out of ideas. Frankly, if it weren't for skill balances, I wouldn't look back lol

It does spice up the game. However, when dealing with skills like SF, you have to look at the bigger picture. ANet will lose many players/customers (bad for business), and nerfing it isn't going to bring anything new or exciting to the table. The games still going to be stale and boring. I'm not saying don't balance skills, I'm saying don't bother with these ones.

upier · Mar 08, 2010, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Bryant Again · Mar 08, 2010, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Rampage

It does spice up the game. However, when dealing with skills like SF, you have to look at the bigger picture. ANet will lose many players/customers (bad for business), and nerfing it isn't going to bring anything new or exciting to the table. The games still going to be stale and boring. I'm not saying don't balance skills, I'm saying don't bother with these ones.

The numbers of customers that ANet would "lose" by nerfing everything would at this point be just as big as if they buffed everything. We're dealing with a very small number of players here when compared to the larger whole, all with a mixed set of opinions or views.

AlsPals · Mar 08, 2010, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by upier

Old CoP and Spiritual Pain please!

and VoR. Bring Mes back!

highway · Mar 08, 2010, 10:24 AM // 10:24

So this is just another SF QQ thread? Have you even tried being a perma after the nerf?

Rampage · Mar 08, 2010, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by highway

So this is just another SF QQ thread? Have you even tried being a perma after the nerf?

No, this is a thread defending the abuse of shadow form. Reading comprehension is key.

pumpkin pie · Mar 08, 2010, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Because they should be doing this instead.

Space · Mar 08, 2010, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by Rampage

No, this is a thread defending the abuse of shadow form. Reading comprehension is key.

So your arguement for keeping Shadow Form is that GW is dead so who cares anyway?

Rampage · Mar 08, 2010, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by Space

So your arguement for keeping Shadow Form is that GW is dead so who cares anyway?

From a business stand point, yes. Nerfing these skills isn't going to improve the quality of the game, it's not going to make the game fun again. The games old, the games stale, the games dead. It's just going to lose ANet customers.

I hate it, but it's true.

Space · Mar 08, 2010, 11:19 AM // 11:19

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Originally Posted by Rampage

From a business stand point, yes. Nerfing these skills isn't going to improve the quality of the game, it's not going to make the game fun again. The games old, the games stale, the games dead. It's just going to lose ANet customers.

I hate it, but it's true.

So insetad of a SF QQ thread it's actually a GW is dead thread? Cheers for clearing that up.

drkn · Mar 08, 2010, 11:20 AM // 11:20

early afternoon // late morning in europe. night in usa.

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Currently Active Users: 843

and it's only gwguru.
i wouldn't call it a 'dead' game. it's much less populated than used to, sure, but far from being dead.

AlsPals · Mar 08, 2010, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by Space

So insetad of a SF QQ thread it's actually a GW is dead thread? Cheers for clearing that up.

Care to offer something other than backhanded questions? He does have a point.

Rampage · Mar 08, 2010, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Space

So insetad of a SF QQ thread it's actually a GW is dead thread? Cheers for clearing that up.

I'm glad so many people here have the ability to read.

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early afternoon // late morning in europe. night in usa.

Currently Active Users: 843

and it's only gwguru.
i wouldn't call it a 'dead' game. it's much less populated than used to, sure, but far from being dead.
early

The amount of users on a fansite doesn't say much. Out of those 843, how many of those actually regularly play the game? Less than that surely. Also, as far as quality of the game goes, it's dead. As far as playerbase, it's dying. Far from being dead? Hardly. We get skill balances every few months and new content maybe once or twice a year. That is a dying game.

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Care to offer something other than backhanded questions? He does have a point.

Of course he doesn't.

Space · Mar 08, 2010, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by AlsPals

Care to offer something other than backhanded questions? He does have a point.

OP offers nothing that hasn't been said a million times before, why feel the need to create another thread? It's common knowledge that Anet messed up and have left SF in the game for a ridiculous amount of time, however that is their bed and they have chosen to lie in it. I haven't noticed ragequitters due to the SF nerf, just people who have adapted because they expected it.

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Originally Posted by rampage

Of course he doesn't, he's a fanboy in denial judging by his posts.

Not really, I just don't think starting another thread on the subject is necessary.