Curse

McSlaughter · Apr 25, 2010, 09:15 PM // 21:15

I'm coming back to the game after playing on and off for the last year or so. I've been observing different opinions about the game after trying to get back into it the last few times (Generally around holiday events and the like.), and I'm not really sure what's new or generally what's still going on.

I know a little about a few different metas (600/smite, mainly.) but I've come under the impression that some of these are gone now or just so ludicrously nerfed that they don't bring any profit.

I'm in an online community that's been generally focused on Xbox 360 and other consoles and recently it's been having a lot of its users move towards online MMOs as well, and I wanted to see about starting something with them here on Guild Wars since I've always been such a fan back in the "golden days." Is it still worth trying to start something up? I'm not looking to make some top of the PvP leaderboards or something like that, but just a semi-professional guild that can get things done and have fun.

Money has always been somewhat of a problem for me, only scratching out 100k-200k at a time through selling ZKeys or selling rare things I come across (not farming), and I know money is a key part of heading any successful guild, so I'd like to find something that can be somewhat profitable (something in farming, that is).

So, just going to get a general opinion from everyone and anyone, what's there left to do? What should I try? I'm open to most anything; PvP or PvE, farming for cash or just doing something productive. Are there any suggestions as to what I should try? Any and all opinions are welcome. Thanks for reading.

Cheers,
Revan

KZaske · Apr 25, 2010, 09:48 PM // 21:48

For PvE metas, discordway still works.

McSlaughter · Apr 25, 2010, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by KZaske

discordway

I know I'm a noob, so this means what?

Gennadios · Apr 25, 2010, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Since when did money figure into successful guilds? The only way to have one today is to have had one two years ago and have it still be active.

All there is to do is farm titles. Pve/pvp, don't material. If they didn't hold your interest earlier, they won't hold it now.

McSlaughter · Apr 25, 2010, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

All there is to do is farm titles. Pve/pvp, don't material. If they didn't hold your interest earlier, they won't hold it now.

It's not that they didn't hold my interest, it's that I was ten when I first started playing and I thought I was cool just start a guild when I was a level 6 Warrior in Ascalon, so I virtually had no idea what was going on.

After trying to scratch out some little existence, I finally realized farming was the way to go if I wanted to make money now coming back after such a long time from being away. I'm just pretty much clueless.

Killed u man · Apr 25, 2010, 10:08 PM // 22:08

1) Nerfing farms isn't what makes them not bring in any profit. Everyone farming them is. Nerfing farms actually does the opposite, pushes the prizes up and makes it a more reliable way of making money, IF you actually want to go through the effort of finding a new way to beat that area.

2) "Is it worth trying to start something up" is very relative. If you want to have some fun with friends, sure go ahead. If you expect a fresh, competitive (even in PvE) game experience day after day, you probably should reconcider. Guild Wars is an old game, preparing to make it's final journey, which is the crossover to Guild Wars 2. Any achievement this late in the game's life that isn't Hall of Monuments related can be concidered a waste of time.

3) Guild Wars was never designed as a PvE game, therefore the end-game is -next to- non exitent, with now the only small thing to look forward to the quest chain leading us to GW2. Enjoying GW post completion is enjoying repetitiveness. If you enjoy doing XX thing over and over again, you can and will enjoy GW. If you enjoy playing a game with artifical boundries (Can't use any heroes/money/max armor/PvE skills), solely for the purpose of beating it with those boundries, then you will still enjoy GW.

4) PvP went down the shitter a long time ago. It's still concidered Player vs Player, but alot of the competitiveness left, and right now we're left with a game where, in pretty much every format, you have one team rolling their heads on the keyboard fighting another team rolling their heads on the keyboard. Fun? Sure, it's definatly still worth a try, but not competitive in the least bit.

5) The best ways to make money is still PvP (Balth's faction => zkeys) or high-end PvE farms, which still work. UW, DoA, etc farms day and night for cash.

Gennadios · Apr 25, 2010, 10:15 PM // 22:15

"Farming titles" may have been a bad choice of wording. I'm talking earning titles from completing every mission and bonus, mapping, maxing allegiance from npc factions, and so forth.

Go to http://wiki.guildwars.com, and search "gwamm," that should tell you how much there is to do.

Eragon Zarroc · Apr 25, 2010, 10:16 PM // 22:16

there is absolutely nothing left to do except randomly post on forums off and on in wallowing despair, trolling along while looking for a faint glimmer of hope....

nvm, ignore me ;-)

lmao

McSlaughter · Apr 25, 2010, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

"Farming titles" may have been a bad choice of wording. I'm talking earning titles from completing every mission and bonus, mapping, maxing allegiance from npc factions, and so forth.

Go to http://wiki.guildwars.com, and search "gwamm," that should tell you how much there is to do.

I see. Well build-wise/profession-wise, what would be the best way to go about doing any of this?

Cuilan · Apr 25, 2010, 10:27 PM // 22:27

The best profession to get titles is the profession you enjoy the most, otherwise you won't be having as much fun.

Pandora's box · Apr 25, 2010, 10:41 PM // 22:41

If you want to get most out of PvE than it works best if you have the complete game: Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall and Eye of the North. Do you?

If you have them all, than there's a lot to do!

-Lots to explore
-Every monday Nicholas the Traveller has a new location with -mostly- interesting farming opportunities.
-You can enter the Zaishen Challence quests given at the Great temple of Balthazer daily
-Try out new builds or try to impove old ones. Need skills for your heroes? Get Balthazar points and buy skills for them!
- ....

If you are the leader of a guild you can also try to get more members and organize quests. But this it a bit tricky since most small guilds are gone and players tend to join mega guilds only. Yet I play in a small guild -hardly anyone online lol- but its still fun discussing quests and builds.

Hope you can do something with this

galbat0rixx · Apr 25, 2010, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Eragon actually speaks some truth ^^
Anyways, in terms of farming, I personally think you should only start it up once you've completed a campaign. If you have then you should l, in all honesty, check "PvXWiki.com". Just type it into google and look at the farming build section. I'd usually discourage this as it feels like cheating, but nobody really cares anymore.

However, a little advice is to not get too worked up about farming money, it's bloody boring (for the majority of people) and, as has already been said, money isn't the main problem. The main problem is finding a half-decent sized alliance and spamming fir new members to keep yourself in the alliance, and then maybe having to worry about getting enough faction for your alliance. If you don't have an alliance, members won't be easy to find, if you don't have members, alliances are hard to stay in, and if you don't have much faction it makes it even harder.

Not to put you off making a guild or anything, you will do alright if you can find some really loyal officers (people you personally know are the best) who can help recruit and won't just walk out on you because of lack of members.

Also, if you do have a spare 50k you can actually buy a guild with a full guild hall and cape from another player. Of course, you won't get to choose the name and such, but having all the guild hall upgrades helps with recruitment a lot, and if you start from cash it's more like 500k.

So yeah, hopefully that mini essay helps you a bit. Be prepared to struggle to get into your guild with the somewhat diminished player base.

aeronox · Apr 26, 2010, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by Revans Apprentice

Money has always been somewhat of a problem for me, only scratching out 100k-200k at a time through selling ZKeys or selling rare things I come across (not farming), and I know money is a key part of heading any successful guild, so I'd like to find something that can be somewhat profitable (something in farming, that is).

Money is almost irrelevant to heading a guild. Half the NPCs in the GH are cheap, and useless anyway.

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What should I try? I'm open to most anything; PvP or PvE, farming for cash or just doing something productive.

Try a bit of everything and see what you like. Missions, title grinding, vanquishing, farming, casual PvP, organised PvP ... hint: two of these things are not fun at all (imo).

McSlaughter · Apr 26, 2010, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by aeronox

Try a bit of everything and see what you like. Missions, title grinding, vanquishing, farming, casual PvP, organised PvP ... hint: two of these things are not fun at all (imo).

What sorts of builds would be most effective, or what specifically out of vanquishing, farming, etc. do you think is most fun? Like, what build is most fun to run or most effective, and that sort of thing?

Skyy High · Apr 26, 2010, 01:51 AM // 01:51

That's more impossible to answer than "what profession is the most fun to play". You kinda just have to experiment on your own.

I think you're going to get a lot of "OMG there's nothing left to do in GW, flee now while you still can!" posts in this thread. These are from people who actually have done everything in GW that can reasonably be done. From the looks of it, you haven't done much of anything. So, yeah, beat the campaigns in NM, then move on to HM if you can. Get some build advice if you really need it, but really, half the fun of the game IMO is figuring out good builds for yourself. You can always hop onto pvxwiki if you want to learn how to AP-discord your way through the games, but dammit that's a boring way to play, since your heroes do all the work for you basically.

*Darcy* · Apr 26, 2010, 02:29 AM // 02:29

If you want information on farming builds, then check out the Farming sub forum in the Campfire section. Personally, I do most of my farming with my ritualist, which also is a fun profession with which to play the game. But you could hate it.

Make sure to use the wiki - in game it's F10 or Help on the menu. Read the stickied basic threads in the Campfire sub forums, including the one on Heroes & AI. Play the game. Join a guild - check in Guild Connections section - to get help.

We can't tell you how to make money as it changes all the time and the best ways require Hard Mode which means you need to finish the game.

agrios · Apr 26, 2010, 03:37 AM // 03:37

Well...by having multiple chars, I always have something to do..If you are somehow bored with your current char, try making a totally new and different one. Works for me.

Essence Snow · Apr 26, 2010, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by agrios

Well...by having multiple chars, I always have something to do..If you are somehow bored with your current char, try making a totally new and different one. Works for me.

I agree 100%. Working on Kobd title track across the 10 professions will keep anyone busy for quite a long time.

Morphy · Apr 26, 2010, 01:53 PM // 13:53

You can still try to play like a maed korean in PvP.

McSlaughter · Apr 28, 2010, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by Darcy

We can't tell you how to make money as it changes all the time and the best ways require Hard Mode which means you need to finish the game.

I've beaten all but Nightfall, so I have Hardmode unlocked and I'm pretty much open to just doing anything that other people have found fun. I've been worried about seeing the negative "OMG THIS GAEM IS DEAD," but it seems like a lot more people have been saying it's still running (Maybe not like it was back in '06, but still) and I think I'd like to get back into it.

Thanks everyone for the comments. I had tried searching for farming builds before posting and trying to lurk to find out what's still reasonably good to do farming-wise, but I had little avail since all Google gave me were threads from websites in '05 and '06 that weren't valid anymore.

Again, thanks for the comments everyone and any others you'd like to give I'm glad to take. (: