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Fear The Apocalypse · May 27, 2010, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by code

It has also been said that they can terminate your account for any reason, and even for no reason.

Now grow up and get some english spelling lessons.

You lost your arguement so you attack the person who had a hand in defeating you... It is you who needs to grow up. GG

IlikeGW · May 27, 2010, 07:49 PM // 19:49

If they're lenient on anyone, it's a loophole that the bot makers would use as well to keep making new versions.

You blew it, you sabotaged your own achievements. End of the story.

Baobao23 · May 27, 2010, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

Bottom line is: Permament bans for people with no prior offenses might be a little harsh. If you've effectively found a way to stop botting and detect it, then the people that you've banned don't become much of a threat to the game anymore.

It really depends. I would say that banning a person who only botted like 6 months or maybe even 3 months ago (and stopped botting thereafter), shouldn't receive a permanent ban. I would think that a person who botted a month ago or 3 weeks ago would still merit a ban as people have been complaining about the bot spike so anet needs to set an example.

I'm actually wondering on how far back in time would someone be suspected of botting.

code · May 27, 2010, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

EDIT: Now that I think of it, the Mallyx exploit had people gaining access to a hidden outpost using hacks, THAT is a ban right there, along with the bot you mentioned.

But your first three examples? No.. they are not bannable.

Please re-read my post.

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done?

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Ok, now you know that no hack was involved.

I feel that I am allowed to post the steps to reproduce it here in this thread because of the age of the exploit and it already being fixed.

The "trick" was to get disconnected in The Ebony Citadel of Mallyx (Explorable Mission) at the same time as the party leader would press "Return to Outpost" after resigning. It would send you into the mission outpost the next time you were logging in, and you could ferry as many people to the place as you want.

This was actually discovered purely by accident, and the implications weren't known to most of the people involved.

jazilla · May 27, 2010, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Only at the end, do you understand. RIP botterz. Say hi to Gwen's mom for me in the U-Dub.

code · May 27, 2010, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Fear The Apocalypse

You lost your arguement so you attack the person who had a hand in defeating you... It is you who needs to grow up. GG

If you go back and read his post, I was merely echoing his words. (the "grow up" sentence)

Sarevok Thordin · May 27, 2010, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Anyone who botted KNOWS that it was wrong.

.dll injecting is a clear rule breaker.

Winterclaw · May 27, 2010, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Del

they knew exactly what could happen

That. Botters know it is against the rules and thought they could get away with it. Reality just hit them with a scythe... :\

Frankly someone should have hit them with a ban stick instead. I mean who uses a ban scythe? Maybe a luddite farmer but that's about it. It's these sort of anachronisms that is holding the gaming industry back. Minus one billion points for Anet for using the wrong weapon.

Fear The Apocalypse · May 27, 2010, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by sarevok thordin

anyone who botted knows that it was wrong.

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...................this^

code · May 27, 2010, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Anyone who botted KNOWS that it was wrong.

.dll injecting is a clear rule breaker.

Not everyone injected .dlls for botting.

Do you realize that some people might have been developing new mods/addons for Guild Wars?

Kydd · May 27, 2010, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by code

Oh come on. No one knew of the repercussions or they would not have botted in the first place.

It doesn't help that there were Anti-Bot threads lingering on the forums for months without any sign of acknowledgement from ArenaNet.

But maybe this is how ArenaNet expects to make business; apply enough psychological pressure on your customers and get them to breach your contract and have to buy a new game box. After all it's a Win-Win situation for them, they get to free up server space OR get paid for it a second time.

lmao anet was pressuring people into botting.

Good joke =)

EDIT: On topic no it wasn't too harsh.

oscarmk · May 27, 2010, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by code

Oh come on. No one knew of the repercussions or they would not have botted in the first place.

It doesn't help that there were Anti-Bot threads lingering on the forums for months without any sign of acknowledgement from ArenaNet.

But maybe this is how ArenaNet expects to make business; apply enough psychological pressure on your customers and get them to breach your contract and have to buy a new game box. After all it's a Win-Win situation for them, they get to free up server space OR get paid for it a second time.

No one knew of the repercussions?. No, what happened is every single person that botted knew this, but they just though nothing would be done.

code · May 27, 2010, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by oscarmk

No one knew of the repercussions?. No, what happened is every single person that botted knew this, but they just though nothing would be done.

"Thought nothing would be done because of ArenaNet's very stance on the matter recently" ~ "Did not know of the repercussions their actions would have"

Del · May 27, 2010, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by code

Now grow up and get some english spelling lessons.

Oh no! i left a t out of botters, i guess i am so much dumber and more immature than some dipshit kid on the internet whining about people getting banned for breaking rules and making fallacious arguments. silly me.

Gennadios · May 27, 2010, 08:01 PM // 20:01

I won't comment on the harshness of the botting bans, but 4k banned accounts will definitely preserve some of the coolness of the HOM bonuses for the players that are still around as that will leave ~2.5k less players sporting them in GW2.

Aside from that, holiday item botting was brought up as an offense that ppl felt wasn't deserving of a ban. That's a pretty cheap argument as non-botted raptor farming can easily yield 1.5k title points over any given weekend, and you can buy 500-750 points of each for less than 100k. Each title can be gotten in 3-4 months of just casually playing and saving, that's not unrealistic enough to justify botting.

code · May 27, 2010, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Del

Oh no! i left a t out of botters, i guess i am so much dumber and more immature than some dipshit kid on the internet whining about people getting banned for breaking rules and making fallacious arguments. silly me.

Make that arrogance and lack of capitalization.

sixdartbart · May 27, 2010, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by code

Is it fair that those who were unwise enough to download candy farming bots were permanently banned?

YES IT IS
That is like saying someone who robs a gas station is somehow different from the guy who robbed a bank.

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

This is more or less for people who have played the game normally for years.

I hate to break it to you but CHEATING and using BOTS is not how you play a game normally. {well maybe it's how YOU play normally but it's not how games are intended to be played}

I'm amused at seeing how many of the people on here QQing about the bans being the same people who are generally asshats on the forums, I think there may be a character issue involved.

I know it will do no good but the people bending over backwards to justify their cheating should stop spending so much time trying to make excuses and maybe look at yourselves as to why you don't know the difference between right and wrong. {yes it is a black and white issue}

fireflyry · May 27, 2010, 08:04 PM // 20:04

This is better entertainment than those Hollywood divorces when the cheating partner forgets about the prenuptial.

Opps.

Del · May 27, 2010, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by code

Make that arrogance and lack of capitalization.

capitalization is srs bsns. just like being a retarded shitter defending botters eh? grow up.

code · May 27, 2010, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

I won't comment on the harshness of the botting bans, but 4k banned accounts will definitely preserve some of the coolness of the HOM bonuses for the players that are still around as that will leave ~2.5k less players sporting them in GW2.

Aside from that, holiday item botting was brought up as an offense that ppl felt wasn't deserving of a ban. That's a pretty cheap argument as non-botted raptor farming can easily yield 1.5k title points over any given weekend, and you can buy 500-750 points of each for less than 100k. Each title can be gotten in 3-4 months of just casually playing and saving, that's not unrealistic enough to justify botting.

It's not those items being cheap so to say, that justifies it (and in fact nothing justifies it). I would say the atmosphere that ArenaNet created in their competitive game by allowing players to keep using bots over a long period of time in Players vs Player combat, without ANY sign of acknowledgement is what has undoubtedly tipped quite a few people over the edge.

You do relate as to how being thrown off by other players cheating against you can emotionally weaken many people? This is what I'm talking about.

The irony of the whole story is that in the end, those that are the most attached to the game will be the most likely to fall for it and lose their achievements permanently, but the sorrow about the game will never leave them.