Curse

Amy Awien · Jul 27, 2010, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by majoho

... I guess that's just crazy talk to you.

If it's coming from you it is indeed crazy talk. :P

Seriously, what is considerate about demanding other people to not communicate with each other in the language that helps them do that best.

Being considerate is a two way thing.

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Oh and in the Euro districts the most common used foreign language in chat is dutch,

Then you'd expect yourself to 'fit in' and talk dutch?

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If they aren't speaking to me they shouldn't be talking in the chat either.

True enough, people should only use chat to talk to you, yeah. Mhh, would cut on the spam considerable though.

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Do tourist stand on the town square yelling in their native language.. I never noticed that where I live.

That's probably because you don't have many (foreign) tourists where you live. :P

They do, and when you come to places where tourists do come you may notice that local people adapt and use the language of the tourists - or something they both understand - when speaking with them.

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Originally Posted by majoho

He could like talk to him directly.

Whispering does not work when there are more then two people in a converstion.

Conversations have a tendency to follow their own path and follow other social rules. What started as a general chat in english could easily turn into a more personal conversation in a another shared language. You might be witnessing the birth of a new friendship, how is that annoying?

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Basically yes, based on the fact that I don't understand it.

Mhh, I see, anything you don't understand is nonsense. Well then, nonsense can be ignored. Ignore it.

Nonsense belongs in all chat, therefore you make no sense demanding that nonsense be kept from it.

Qed.

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Now you're just being stupid.

And you were talking about courtesy?

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Originally Posted by Dame Laureline

Not really. We merely ask people in any district to speak whatever the district language is or to not use chat channels.

That boils down to demanding that foreign people learn english (or french or german). There isn't that much variation in available districts.

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... guildwarsguru in Italian ...

There are plenty of websites to choose from, but GW doesn't offer such a choice.

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Language is the main mean of communication between people.

And they communicate best in their own language. Why do you want to deny them the ability to communicate in a language that is best suitable to do that?

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I'm old enough to know that I waste my time to fail to communicate with people sharing no common language with me.

So, why do you demand from them that they try to communicate in a language that doesn't provide them the means they need to communicate.

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Many people in the world can write/read/speak more than one language.

But not at the level and accuracy that they can use their own language with.

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Maybe also asking for help, looking for informations ?

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I was wrong thinking you are a native english speaker? People 'look for information', never for 'informations'.

Earth · Jul 27, 2010, 01:14 PM // 13:14

Bawww, who geeft eine paska what language other people speak? If you can't understand it it's obviously not directed at you, so ignore it.

Do you get mad when someone speaks a language you can't understand in real life too?

Cuilan · Jul 27, 2010, 01:20 PM // 13:20

Non-American districts are dead, even years ago. People should cut them some slack, even if they're the main ones chatting in all chat. In real life in my area I find people speaking all sorts of languages at times. Some more than others, but there are native English speakers who apparently can't even type their own language.

I'd love for there to be more conversations in Guild Wars instead of buy/sell and lfg junk.

Quaker · Jul 27, 2010, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Swahnee

If the all chat is meant to be a "place" where people can say funny things, joke, take part in stupid flamewars about some stupid argument, have fun watching other people taking part in stupid flamewars about some stupid argument, etc.., then i don't see why people shouldn't talk in whatever language they want.

QFT.

I don't see how "speaking" in a foreign language ("typing" actually) in All chat is any worse than the kiddies blabbing on about their GFs, BFs and BFFs, or mindlessly spewing "naughty" talk, because, you know, it's *giggle*, "naughty", or etc.

Lhim · Jul 27, 2010, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Quaker

QFT.

I don't see how "speaking" in a foreign language ("typing" actually) in All chat is any worse than the kiddies blabbing on about their GFs, BFs and BFFs, or mindlessly spewing "naughty" talk, because, you know, it's *giggle*, "naughty", or etc.

And don't forget that you can't read 5 sentences without the words: you suck, noob, retard, a-hole or some writing in that leetspeak or whatever.

Morphy · Jul 27, 2010, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

That boils down to demanding that foreign people learn english (or french or german). There isn't that much variation in available districts.

Do you realize how stupid this argument is? If people can't speak english/whatever other available language and don't have a district of their own they can't play the game to begin with.

Snograt · Jul 27, 2010, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Wow, two whole pages of "I'm not racist, but..."

"Language districts" were set up so that people with a common native language could gather with others the same if they wished.

There is no rule; there is no obligation.

Speak whatever language you choose wherever you choose.

eeks · Jul 27, 2010, 04:58 PM // 16:58

In regards to those pointing out how it's courteous and respectful to speak the language pertaining to a district -

Have any of you ever district-hopped to a random district to escape lag, synchronise in Vizunah Square (for example), or to benefit from large scaled events like Wintersday, Halloween etc?

Do you speak (or even know) their language if you need to speak in local?

It just sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me; those here arguing that particular point might not do these things, but it's common practice either way and especially during events, there is a massive influx of English speakers in non-English districts.

I mean hey, I do those things myself, but I don't think native English speaking people are the only ones feeling alienated in their own districts here.

chadS · Jul 27, 2010, 05:06 PM // 17:06

So, if the American district wasn't the most popular district, and say the French district was, would you all be willing to make an effort to learn French?

People take for granted how many foreigners know some English. I know for a fact you wouldn't be willing to learn another language if your language wasn't the primary language being spoke.

As for the districts, if you want to do anything with them, get rid of all but International. It makes more sense.

MithranArkanere · Jul 27, 2010, 05:50 PM // 17:50

If you want a Babel tower, you go to International.
In English district you speak ENGLISH.
That's the way it is, how it works.
You can't write Japanese or Russian with Cyrillic characters outside in other language's outposts. Only in that language's and international.
That clue enough of how things work.
There IS a rule, a HARD CODED rule to prevent other languages. It doesn't work with all languages, because it's literally impossible to prevent them all, since they share many letters, but why would let polish in the English district, but not Japanese?
When laws are made, they are made for all, not picking who gets to be affected.

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Originally Posted by Safer Saviour

[...] Hell, Spanish is the world's most widly spoken first language.

Second.
First is Mandarin Chinese. Third is English.

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Originally Posted by chadS

So, if the American district wasn't the most popular district, and say the French district was, would you all be willing to make an effort to learn French?

You got it wrong.
It's not the most popuplar district because many people go there, and it happens to be a district in Eglish.
Many people go there because they all know English enough, and that made it popular.
So if the popular one was the French, people would ALREADY know French.

Autumn Crocus · Jul 27, 2010, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

What are the people's thoughts on multicultural differences?

It doesn't bother me. I try to be accepting of everyone.

chadS · Jul 27, 2010, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

You got it wrong.
It's not the most popuplar district because many people go there, and it happens to be a district in Eglish.
Many people go there because they all know English enough, and that made it popular.
So if the popular one was the French, people would ALREADY know French.

I don't think you completely read my post.

Dzjudz · Jul 27, 2010, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

In English district you speak ENGLISH.
That's the way it is, how it works.

Actually, if you go ingame you will see that's not the way it is or how it works.

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Originally Posted by majoho

When you talk in general char you ARE addressing everyone, you don't get to pick your audience, so if what you have to say isn't for everyone to hear you probably shouldn't be using that chat.

Imagine the following situation:

- You speak English fluently because it is your first language.
- You speak half a word of French because it was taught to you in school, but not nearly as fluently as English and typing in English is much faster and more convenient.
- There is no English district and most English speaking people reside in the French district.
- You speak to other English people in the district.

What language do you speak?

majoho · Jul 27, 2010, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Actually, if you go ingame you will see that's not the way it is or how it works.
Imagine the following situation:

- You speak English fluently because it is your first language.
- You speak half a word of French because it was taught to you in school, but not nearly as fluently as English and typing in English is much faster and more convenient.
- There is no English district and most English speaking people reside in the French district.
- You speak to other English people in the district.

What language do you speak?

That situation is void since there is an international district.

And with that I'll leave this thread, we're not going to agree on this anyway you're about "convenience" while I'm about "courtesy".

belshazaarswrath · Jul 27, 2010, 07:47 PM // 19:47

There are people who aren't in American English districts? News to me. Whenever I go to European or Asian Districts it's always a ghost town. Anyway if you don't understand English and people are insulting you in English that really doesn't affect the person insulted right? Plus anyone who doesn't know how to turn all chat off if it's irritating them probably isn't smart enough to develop tolerance.

Dzjudz · Jul 27, 2010, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by majoho

That situation is void since there is an international district.

Maybe if that was the default district we're put in. But it's not. Also, like I said earlier, try hopping on over there and see how it works out. Plus, the lack of a separate trade system kinda forces non-primary English speakers to English/American district to reach most sellers/buyers.

Finally, the situation I pictured is not 'void', it describes exactly what the current situation in-game is (maybe I should've added to the third step: and nobody resides in the international districts). Just because you'd like it to be different doesn't make it different.

Amy Awien · Jul 27, 2010, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by majoho

Who is demanding anything? Again common courtesy, it's expected or maybe I'm so old that I've been brought up that way.

Common courtesy is to let people hold their conversations without interfering with them.

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You must be incredible dense or something if you don't get what I say

I got what you said, but apparently you don't get what you said. Which makes it even funnier.

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When you talk in general char you ARE addressing everyone

No, you aren't always addressing everyone, sometimes you're just addressing the people you just went out on a quest or mission with, and sometimes a conversation just evolves from whatever chatter went on earlier and you are actually addressing the people that were part of that evolving conversation. Using, or switching to a shared language with which the participants are more comfortable is only natural.

Your demand that they take your wishes into account at all times is absurd and would basically prevent them from having their conversation.

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you don't get to pick your audience

The audience is free to walk away, or stay, and mind their own business. Find your own friends to have conversations with.

Earth · Jul 27, 2010, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

There IS a rule, a HARD CODED rule to prevent other languages.

Not really.

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You can't write Japanese or Russian with Cyrillic characters outside in other language's outposts. Only in that language's and international.

And you can use English characters everywhere. What does that mean? That you can freely speak English in every district?

Most people who are against the use of a non-English language in the English district probably don't speak Polish in the Polish district or whatever district they choose, when they go there to get away from the lag or whatever.

Also, I have a question, and I'd like people to answer honestly. Why do you care so much about this?

Yelling @ Cats · Jul 27, 2010, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Is the OP suggesting that we change the district name to English-and-other-gibberish?

Dame Laureline · Jul 28, 2010, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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That boils down to demanding that foreign people learn english (or french or german). There isn't that much variation in available districts.

Well, who in Earth owns a computer, suscribes to an ISP, and can't write in at least one of the languages district are named?

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And they communicate best in their own language. Why do you want to deny them the ability to communicate in a language that is best suitable to do that?

So, why do you demand from them that they try to communicate in a language that doesn't provide them the means they need to communicate.

Because communicating is not to speak/write, it's to be understood. If I use a language I master but nobody else understand, I don't communicate, I waste my time. If I use a language I'm poorly skilled but still enough to be understood, I communicate, I hopefully don't waste my time.

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I was wrong thinking you are a native english speaker? People 'look for information', never for 'informations'.

I'm glad you mistook me for a native English speaker. Though I know I'm skilled enough to be understood, I always worry about mispellings, grammar wrongs, limited vocabulary, etc.
Anyway, thanks for the correction !

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So, if the American district wasn't the most popular district, and say the French district was, would you all be willing to make an effort to learn French?

Of course, I expect nothing from other people but what I already do.

When I'm in French district I type in French, whereas in English districts I type in English. And in Spanish, German and so districts I don't type.

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Imagine the following situation:

- You speak English fluently because it is your first language.
- You speak half a word of French because it was taught to you in school, but not nearly as fluently as English and typing in English is much faster and more convenient.
- There is no English district and most English speaking people reside in the French district.
- You speak to other English people in the district.

What language do you speak?

Oh, boy! You think you could dare to speak English in French channels for your own convenience? Really?
You could barely ask for something in English there if you first apologize because you don't know French. It'd be probably easier with other languages, but anyway you'll have some usual grunt from many French players and very few will answer you.

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Maybe if that was the default district we're put in. But it's not. Also, like I said earlier, try hopping on over there and see how it works out. Plus, the lack of a separate trade system kinda forces non-primary English speakers to English/American district to reach most sellers/buyers.

My default district was European/French. I'm currently in American/English. So I was able to change. And while playing GW I only speak English (but some private whispers with other Frenchies or Frenchspeaking Belgians).
About trade it's a lame excuse. GW is about exploring and slaying villains(PvE), or defeating opponent teams (PvP), not trading. Trade is a side effect of the game.