Curse

DarkRazzie · Sep 14, 2009, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by refer

That isn't that long really. I would take walls of text too.

It's not just a game to some people and people on this topic are missing that. Some people play Guild Wars for the experience (tactics, etc), to be part of a team, or to just win. That is why people get angry when something happens. It is has nothing to do with it being "just a game", because it's not just a game to them... had that been true there would be no reaction from them in the first place.

Ok kids, it IS a game. Do you folks read what I type here or just skim through??? It is not JUST a game, but it IS a game. And because it IS a game, it is meant to be FUN. To get so angry at someone in a GAME that you would lash out, or say hurtful things means you're ONLY in it to win, period. If that is the case, it is not a "game" to you anymore because games are meant to either win OR lose. It's one thing to get deeply involved and engrossed in the game, but it's truly another to forget that you're playing a game with real people and you're supposed to be having a good time, win or lose. Try, try again people. If that doesn't work and you must lash out, then I suggest "anger management".

I know Guild Wars is not "JUST a game" to some players, but it IS a game none the less! I've met a lot of my friends on GW also, some of which live in other countries.

I'll tell you how strongly I feel about this... my daughter was playing GW one night. She was quite young. I went into her room to see what she was doing (I was going to log in and join her), but she had closed her laptop and had been crying. Someone in my guild at the time had ripped her a new one because she didn't react quick enough in a GVG match. Basically, they went back in without her. I logged in, kicked the SOB out of my guild right away, no talk, no questions asked. You just don't treat people that way, it IS a game. And in my opinion, if you're capable of such ugliness, you definitely shouldn't be playing games with other people. Today, my daughter is rank 12 and organizes her own PVP sessions... because given some time and patience, someone taught her.

Game = Fun
This is long, I'm sorry.

Sword Hammer Axe · Sep 14, 2009, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by DarkRazzie

It is not JUST a game, but it IS a game.

I hope you realise that this sentence makes no sense

I think i know what you mean from the context, but either something is something, or not XD

TheRaven · Sep 14, 2009, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Actually it makes perfect sense, and I agree with what he's saying. Guild Wars is meant to be fun. If it isn't fun to you because of any reason. (Long boring quests, morons on your team, same old same old, etc) then quit.

I agree, it's no fun to lose because someone on the team screwed up, but in the giant scheme of life......WHO CARES! Unless you're competing in high end GvG where there are actual monetary values on the line then who really cares if you win or lose the fight. A year from now, no one will care including you. Actually in about a week no one will care.

Yes it's frustrating and if it's too stressful then you just need to uninstall and find a different game (or different teammates).

Burst Cancel · Sep 14, 2009, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by DarkRazzie

I'll tell you how strongly I feel about this... my daughter was playing GW one night. She was quite young. I went into her room to see what she was doing (I was going to log in and join her), but she had closed her laptop and had been crying. Someone in my guild at the time had ripped her a new one because she didn't react quick enough in a GVG match. Basically, they went back in without her. I logged in, kicked the SOB out of my guild right away, no talk, no questions asked. You just don't treat people that way, it IS a game. And in my opinion, if you're capable of such ugliness, you definitely shouldn't be playing games with other people. Today, my daughter is rank 12 and organizes her own PVP sessions... because given some time and patience, someone taught her.

I don't see the problem here, honestly, aside from you allowing your emotions to cloud your judgment. Your daughter underperformed, and they went in again without her; in any competitive activity, that's exactly what's supposed to happen. People regularly get benched or sidelined for underperformance throughout the full spectrum of competitive activity, and I don't see anything inherently special about "games" that would prevent that.

Some people play for fun, and some people play to win. If you fail to understand the difference, you'll never be able to have a meaningful discussion about this topic. "Game = fun" doesn't suddenly become universally true simply by virtue of you declaring it to be so.

Qing Guang · Sep 14, 2009, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

I don't see the problem here, honestly, aside from you allowing your emotions to cloud your judgment. Your daughter underperformed, and they went in again without her; in any competitive activity, that's exactly what's supposed to happen. People regularly get benched or sidelined for underperformance throughout the full spectrum of competitive activity, and I don't see anything inherently special about "games" that would prevent that.

Some people play for fun, and some people play to win. If you fail to understand the difference, you'll never be able to have a meaningful discussion about this topic. "Game = fun" doesn't suddenly become universally true simply by virtue of you declaring it to be so.

Yeah, that may be so, but it sounds like they not only dropped her from the group but chastised her excessively. Also, it depends a lot on what kind of guild it was. Sure, if it was a high-ranked or aspiring GvG guild, she should have been prepared to accept criticism (though not letting her have the chance to improve seems a bit harsh; if they were rank-wary, they could at least have suggested a scrimmage later to help her out, rather than rip into her), but if it was a more casual guild that was venturing into GvG for fun, there was no reason to be so harsh. And there is NEVER call to verbally attack someone over not being good at the game, only over refusing to accept mistakes.

Back to topic: Last Friday I was trying to H/H Thirsty River on my then-18 Mes, and I was doing fairly well though I had lost bonus. It was the last desert mish I had to do and I was looking forward to Ascending that day. I cleared out the next-to-last group, leaving only the monk. There was perhaps a minute before the next res, and I didn't want to wait that long to attack, thinking dinner was in a few minutes. So I picked off a Forgotten or two and ran in, going immediately for the priest. But I hadn't cleared enough of the outside, and while I was in there, MOX was being bodyblocked and couldn't get through, and the rest were busy with the other foes; I was trapped with a bunch of Forgotten and Enchanted inside, while my henchies were being slaughtered outside and my interrupts on the priest and boss were going to waste because no one could damage. We wiped. My first reaction was to flip off the screen, and I very nearly cried (you know that feeling when the tears are welling up and you are willing them to stay down). I was upset not because I lost the mish, but because I had failed out of my own impatience and stupidity. Anyway, I think it was the first time I've cried over the game itself rather than over guild troubles.

Fortunately, my trip through the mission the next day was much better.

refer · Sep 15, 2009, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by DarkRazzie

It is not JUST a game, but it IS a game.

It may be a game but that is just the vehicle for something larger. I guess you didn't get that point.

lettuceman44 · Sep 15, 2009, 02:02 AM // 02:02

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Originally Posted by Sword Hammer Axe

There are a lot of nice PvP guilds, and I say that as a total PvE'er. I know, wtf

But problem is that they mostly can't survive for long because of the difficulty of PvP. When you lose a battle, you've lost it, and sometimes even with penalty. In PvE you can just try again and such, besides it's much easier to train and prepare for that.

I don't like this whole noob calling thing nor the thing about not giving people a chance. Elitist preferences annoy the crap out of me as well. However I can see why people would prefer playing with players they completely know the capability of. Sometimes you can find the best of comrades in a PvP guild, but the difficult thing is getting into those circles ^^

Yea, thats true. I guess I just need to keep trying.

DarkRazzie · Sep 15, 2009, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Well, I guess it's obvious there are truly two different kinds of players in this game... and out of respect for both, I'll shut up LOL

In response to Qing Guang: Yes, they definitely chastised her... I wouldn't have just booted him if he'd just dropped her from the group. In that case, I'd have just logged in and started working with her myself (she was still pretty new to the game). The thing that ticked me off about that whole situation is that the guy new coming into my guild that we were all just getting into PVP. Anyway, doesn't matter, everyone will have their own opinions about this.

interpret interupt · Nov 28, 2009, 08:34 AM // 08:34

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Originally Posted by Div

I have a sad story to share.

First of all, I'd like to tell you about me. My e-alias is often known as Lemming Emoface or Lemming Rides Muse. I'm a poor kid who's been sad for most of my life, given that I live in Hawaii but can't swim. It sucks when people ask me to go to the beach, and I'd have to say "sorry I'm busy" or something, when in fact it's because of my inability to swim without flotation devices.

Then my life was all turned around when I met this girl, Divine Muse, also known as Musey Juicy. I knew it was love at first sight, and our love developed as we went through guilds such as Xxx The Final Thrust Xxx and The Jagerbombs (as a side note, you can see that I'm still in Xxx The Final Thrust Xxx in memory of her). We went through so many turmoils, and we've fought through so much. Despite necros, snuff, and divine never healing me, Muse was always there to ward me and toss me a boon. Despite the noodle running off to solo bases and leaving me with all the blinds because dark can't interrupt for shit, I endured through it. Why? Because I had Muse. She was like an angel to me.

Then one day, she disappeared. I waited. One day, two days, three days. Eventually all I'd do is get on Guild Wars, open the guild roster, and see that Muse has been gone for a week. It eventually grew to two weeks. I wouldn't even PvE or GvG during that time. It was definitely a sad moment for me, but I held back my tears, thinking she was just busy in real life.

About 2-3 weeks after her leave from Guild Wars, I had the courage to finally call her to figure out what's wrong.

"Hello? Is this Muse?"

"Hey! Who's this?"

"Oh, uhhh, it's Lemming, from Guild Wars. I missed you a lot."

"Sorry Lemming baby, I should've told you this, but I already found a new love in World of Warcraft."

"Can I join you?"

*hangs up*

I cried so hard that day that I didn't even eat (and I love to eat!). My parents tried to console me, but that didn't work. It felt so terrible, like my life force was just being torn away from me.

To this day, I still wander the lands of World of Warcraft trying to find Muse, but still don't know which server she's on even.

hard to find a good monk pair these days lol

Laraja · Nov 28, 2009, 06:00 PM // 18:00

I have to admit yesterday evening I was ready to cry when I was about 3/4 of the way through vanquishing Rhea's Crater when my computer d/c'ed. Fortunately, after thinking about it for an uncomfortably long time, my computer decided to reconnect me.

I wasn't ready to cry, but I was ready to throw a hissy when I realized I *should* have gone into the mines and vanquished that area too. Meh!

KiDCuDi · Nov 28, 2009, 06:05 PM // 18:05

I cried when my 9 chars with obby were deleted all 4+ years old

Wubbies · Nov 28, 2009, 06:24 PM // 18:24

i QQ and pissed myself from laughing at this thread.

Mustache Mayhem · Nov 28, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Qing Guang

Yeah, that may be so, but it sounds like they not only dropped her from the group but chastised her excessively. Also, it depends a lot on what kind of guild it was. Sure, if it was a high-ranked or aspiring GvG guild, she should have been prepared to accept criticism (though not letting her have the chance to improve seems a bit harsh; if they were rank-wary, they could at least have suggested a scrimmage later to help her out, rather than rip into her), but if it was a more casual guild that was venturing into GvG for fun, there was no reason to be so harsh. And there is NEVER call to verbally attack someone over not being good at the game, only over refusing to accept mistakes.

Back to topic: Last Friday I was trying to H/H Thirsty River on my then-18 Mes, and I was doing fairly well though I had lost bonus. It was the last desert mish I had to do and I was looking forward to Ascending that day. I cleared out the next-to-last group, leaving only the monk. There was perhaps a minute before the next res, and I didn't want to wait that long to attack, thinking dinner was in a few minutes. So I picked off a Forgotten or two and ran in, going immediately for the priest. But I hadn't cleared enough of the outside, and while I was in there, MOX was being bodyblocked and couldn't get through, and the rest were busy with the other foes; I was trapped with a bunch of Forgotten and Enchanted inside, while my henchies were being slaughtered outside and my interrupts on the priest and boss were going to waste because no one could damage. We wiped. My first reaction was to flip off the screen, and I very nearly cried (you know that feeling when the tears are welling up and you are willing them to stay down). I was upset not because I lost the mish, but because I had failed out of my own impatience and stupidity. Anyway, I think it was the first time I've cried over the game itself rather than over guild troubles.

Fortunately, my trip through the mission the next day was much better.

I dunno why I find this story epic.. probably cause I used to solo this.. recently went back here and noticed the king does get aggroed quick for bonus- had to basically run right in from the gate =]

and yeah those timers can really spank that part we all have of being impatient.. something about prophecies I really liked back in the day.. I stayed out of guilds since lineage 2- not worth the hassle, alliance always needs help.. fighting between members- it's a freaking game!

just play with rl friends nowdays.. if they get out of line I know where they live XD

dan daze · Nov 28, 2009, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Serious people taking serious game too seriously.

Welcome to the internet.

Bob Slydell · Nov 29, 2009, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by dan daze

Serious people taking serious game too seriously.

Welcome to the internet.

Lmao, this.

I wouldn't expect it on GW too much, but we already know people cry over WoW alot, lol.

No one IRL can make me cry, so I would never cry from something delivered to me over an ethernet cable. Usually.. i start cracking up if someone disses/curses me out in a game because it's hilarious when I stab them back with shit that makes them get even more pissed off. Like last night on Left 4 Dead.

To anyone who gets offended ONLINE, over a game..text..voice chat.. WHATEVER it may be.. just try this: stop caring. Just like the guy on office space.

Red Intensity · Nov 29, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

Crying is weakness, weakness leads to exploitation, exploitation leads to suffering of the exploitee. In my opinion, in order to play in this game (and others like it) on a competitive level, one must be void of emotion except as a manifestation of hatred. I luckily learned this the easy way, by reading others' experiences like the ones in this forum and others like it. Basically, I learned from others' mistakes and developed a shield made entirely of hate so the same would not happen to me.

@ OP: I've never cried over this game or anything anyone has said to me in this game (haven't had IRL drama happen to me since junior high). I can't allow myself to let trivial things like emotions, something someone said to me in chat or TS/Vent, or IRL stuff that happened to other people to affect me. It's unnecessary emotional baggage on my part.

I'm not a troll just because I would publicly admit to not caring for others' feelings.

lord of all tyria · Nov 29, 2009, 07:11 AM // 07:11

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Originally Posted by Chrisworld

No one IRL can make me cry

AHAHAHAHAHAHA internet tough guy

HezaKiel! · Nov 29, 2009, 08:32 AM // 08:32

It's sad reading some of the stuff in these posts :/
But I can't really say another person has ever made me CRY in Guild Wars..some people have made me feel disappointed about how I'm playing..but never to the point of actually crying.
But as far as crying and Guild Wars in general..I can remember a couple times when it's been late at night and I just got whiped a third time and frustration/disappointment leads me to holding back tears/a drippy drop falling but no one in particular has made me cryyyy

Bob Slydell · Nov 29, 2009, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by lord of all tyria

AHAHAHAHAHAHA internet tough guy

Whatever you say bro.

nologic · Nov 29, 2009, 09:01 PM // 21:01

I think the douchebag who yelled her out should be kicked.
If people are bad player so what teach them not all people are good at pvp and you cannot predict the other teams playstyle.

I feel sorry for her and ts not good when you get to a point where a good decent member have to leave just because some douche yells that she is bad.

I dont find any criticism in "yelling" to another person its just over the line, if you wanna give any criticism you should do it constructively.

You cant expect to win everytime in PvP either.

Show respect to your fellow members if they cant do it just kick them.