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SpyderArachnid · Sep 12, 2010, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

And if you feel this way about minis, I'm really interested in how you feel about special benefits for people who have earned GWAMM for their HoM

My thoughts on GWAMM rewards? I don't think there should be anything for that title. I think if you get rewarded for any title, that GWAMM will be a basic title that you get the same reward for any other title.

You want to know why?

Cause Anet has a no grind policy. Why would they reward you for grinding and farming, when they are completely against the idea of grinding in the first place? So you grinded hours on end for GWAMM? Big deal. Anet has a no grind policy, so why do you think Anet should reward you for something they don't approve of?

I feel the same way. Why should you be rewarded for farming and grinding? You should be rewarded for accomplishments that you made in the game, yes, but not for spending all your time farming one specific spot just to get a title or some fancy weapon. That isn't an accomplishment or achievement. That's nothing to put on your trophy stand and say "Look what I did. I sat in the same area farming over and over till I got this fancy reward.". That's great. You know what I did that whole time you were doing that? I was killing great demons and dragons and slaying leaders that were trying to take over our lands and fought off great armies of enemies trying to wage war.

And you think you should be rewarded for farming?

MArcSinus · Sep 12, 2010, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

My thoughts on GWAMM rewards? I don't think there should be anything for that title. I think if you get rewarded for any title, that GWAMM will be a basic title that you get the same reward for any other title.

You want to know why?

Cause Anet has a no grind policy. Why would they reward you for grinding and farming, when they are completely against the idea of grinding in the first place? So you grinded hours on end for GWAMM? Big deal. Anet has a no grind policy, so why do you think Anet should reward you for something they don't approve of?

I feel the same way. Why should you be rewarded for farming and grinding? You should be rewarded for accomplishments that you made in the game, yes, but not for spending all your time farming one specific spot just to get a title or some fancy weapon. That isn't an accomplishment or achievement. That's nothing to put on your trophy stand and say "Look what I did. I sat in the same area farming over and over till I got this fancy reward.". That's great. You know what I did that whole time you were doing that? I was killing great demons and dragons and slaying leaders that were trying to take over our lands and fought off great armies of enemies trying to wage war.

And you think you should be rewarded for farming?

It isn't even possible to display GWAMM so there is no reward...

They actually should reward you for the 30 different titles you have with points.

I'm betting my money on the fact that you don't have GWAMM, which makes your posts understandable....

Essence Snow · Sep 12, 2010, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

I lold.

First of all, having money doesn't only apply to the minipets. You also have to buy the armor, the weapons, the hero armor and even some titles.

Second, if you use some common sense it's not difficult to understand how it will work. You will probably get points for eveything you put in your HoM, which means that "going overboard" will indeed give you more points to spent.

This concept isn't difficult to crasp cause every muppet can buy 20 white minpets, 5 hero armor (or less with MOX and the animals...), get 5 easy titles, 5 armor and 11 destroyer weapons.

It would be ridiculous if somebody like that would get the same as someone who has 30+ titles and a lot of other stuff.

It is ridiculous if some one that has all the super high end minis to get rewards that others cannot. It is basically impossible to obtain some of those minis via regular game play. I know your gonna say..."well you can buy them"....but be real who through regular game play will obtain 20k ecto? Then go get another 30k ecto to buy the others? Not only that but there is a finite number of those minis and once they are all dedicated that's it.....no one else will be able to dedicate one. It's simply irrational to think they should get rewards that others cannot.

SpyderArachnid · Sep 12, 2010, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

It isn't even possible to display GWAMM so there is no reward...

They actually should reward you for the 30 different titles you have with points.

I'm betting my money on the fact that you don't have GWAMM, which makes your posts understandable....

I'm actually R5 into that title, but either way, my opinions won't change on the matter. Whether I have the title or not, doesn't matter to me. The only display you get for that title, is the statue in the back of the title monument, so if you wanted, you could say that counted towards a full HoM.

Yes I do farm on occassion. But my point is, I don't want to be rewarded for farming or grinding, as that is not something Anet smiles upon. I find it unfair to reward others cause they grinded more than someone else (even though I have myself), when Anet doesn't approve of grinding. Why say "We don't approve of grinding and the game is grind free" then go and give bonus rewards to those that grind? It makes no sense and it is contradictory to what they said.

MArcSinus · Sep 12, 2010, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

It is ridiculous if some one that has all the super high end minis to get rewards that others cannot. It is basically impossible to obtain some of those minis via regular game play. I know your gonna say..."well you can buy them"....but be real who through regular game play will obtain 20k ecto? Then go get another 30k ecto to buy the others? Not only that but there is a finite number of those minis and once they are all dedicated that's it.....no one else will be able to dedicate one. It's simply irrational to think they should get rewards that others cannot.

Well this is where the point system kicks in mate.
This way you can still aquire the same rewards (or close to) as somebody with some super rare minipets, which give him/her more points. All you have to do is get another title or armor, or some other stuff. (I don't know how the points will work, this is just a basic principle of a point system.)

I know there are some people with a lot/all rare mini's. But am I in any way jealous or do I think that's unfair? No, not really. They did a good job in GW1 and deserve a nice title and or mini on GW2 imo. Or a heads up on points which allowes them to farm less titles.

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

The only display you get for that title, is the statue in the back of the title monument, so if you wanted, you could say that counted towards a full HoM.

Not really.. GWAMM (and the statue) are character based and not account wide based, like the HoM.

Essence Snow · Sep 12, 2010, 02:17 AM // 02:17

That might be fair if there were no ceiling on the HoM....but you simply cannot go get another title than some one that already has them all. Plus think about the logistics of the super high end minis.....what are the chances that someone got them all by legit means? I think very slim to none. Which means.........wait for it.......... They more or less likely cheated....I'm not talking about having one or two but having them all.

Polgara Val · Sep 12, 2010, 02:21 AM // 02:21

I think Anet wouldent blunder with the minis vs points vs rarity thing, what I feel they will or should do is give points only to birthday minis or give the same amount of points to all minis.

Oh and one more theory is this, points for the mini section of HoM could be done like this: white minis = 2 points, purple = 5, gold = 10 points.

That way at least even if someone got a rediculously rare mini they wouldent have an advantage or at least a massive advantage over a player who simply has regular birthday minis.

Anyway this could all turn out rather irrelevant and the maximum points could be determined by simply having 20 minis = max points for devotion. Then most of will feel like a bit of a plonker in the end

Pol

MArcSinus · Sep 12, 2010, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

That might be fair if there were no ceiling on the HoM....but you simply cannot go get another title than some one that already has them all. Plus think about the logistics of the super high end minis.....what are the chances that someone got them all by legit means? I think very slim to none. Which means.........wait for it.......... They more or less likely cheated....I'm not talking about having one or two but having them all.

I know at least one person who has them all

Dunno if Wasabi cheated though

But uhm if you believe what you say is true then what are you worried about? If there are indeed close to none people who have them all?
Imagine a point system where you can buy every GW2 reward but in which you aren't required to have the super rare minis.
That still leaves you with around 30+ titles, 90+ mini's, 22 weapons, lots of armors but that is definitly doable and doesn't cost 2k ecto's

Essence Snow · Sep 12, 2010, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

I know at least one person who has them all

Dunno if Wasabi cheated though

I won't comment on a specific person.

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But uhm if you believe what you say is true then what are you worried about? If there are indeed close to none people who have them all?

Basically this...it encourages gold buying/selling and methods of cheating.

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Imagine a point system where you can buy every GW2 reward but in which you aren't required to have the super rare minis.
That still leaves you with around 30+ titles, 90+ mini's, 22 weapons, lots of armors but that is definitly doable and doesn't cost 2k ecto's

The super high-end minis are the only ones I have issue with as they are the only ones that are not obtainable via regular game play.

Vlad · Sep 12, 2010, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Im really exited to hear more info on this later. Hope they dont dissapoint me

As for the super rare mini arguments...... who gives? barely any1 has em. and i think anet has enuff brains not to give super duper amazing rewards for em in gw2.

Lanier · Sep 12, 2010, 03:18 AM // 03:18

When it comes to "points", Im hoping that everything displayed gives an equal number of points. For example, every mini displayed gives a point apiece, every weapon displayed (no matter if they are destroyer or tormented) gives a point apiece, every pet/hero displayed gives a point, every accomplishment displayed should give one point, and every armor regardless of price or "prestige level" should give a flat one point. This is the best way to do it I think so that those who have a life outside of GW can still obtain the same types of rewards/whatever that the people with all the rare stuff they grinded for can obtain.

Sword Hammer Axe · Sep 12, 2010, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by Lanier

When it comes to "points", Im hoping that everything displayed gives an equal number of points. For example, every mini displayed gives a point apiece, every weapon displayed (no matter if they are destroyer or tormented) gives a point apiece, every pet/hero displayed gives a point, every accomplishment displayed should give one point, and every armor regardless of price or "prestige level" should give a flat one point. This is the best way to do it I think so that those who have a life outside of GW can still obtain the same types of rewards/whatever that the people with all the rare stuff they grinded for can obtain.

I wouldn't mind if you could get like Minis: 1 point white, 1.5 points purple, 2 points gold and 3 points green.

Weapons: 2. same points. ***k Tormented weapons lol.

Titles: 2 points each. Maybe 1 point for those you don't need to complete (like faction or Zaishen).

Armors: 1,5 points each.

Heroes: 1 point each. 2 for MOX and Razah. 1 for pets.

That is if like small rewards are 10 points, bigger are 20 and grand are 30. Then the difference in points won't be a big deal.

aspi · Sep 12, 2010, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by Sword Hammer Axe

I wouldn't mind if you could get like Minis: 1 point white, 1.5 points purple, 2 points gold and 3 points green.

Weapons: 2. same points. ***k Tormented weapons lol.

Titles: 2 points each. Maybe 1 point for those you don't need to complete (like faction or Zaishen).

Armors: 1,5 points each.

Heroes: 1 point each. 2 for MOX and Razah. 1 for pets.

That is if like small rewards are 10 points, bigger are 20 and grand are 30. Then the difference in points won't be a big deal.

Why 2 points for mox?
I think they might do this. But how many points would you give the real rare ones. Like the panda, kanaxi, vizu.
At first I thought well they are just mini's no need to give them extra points. But not so sure anymore.

own age myname · Sep 12, 2010, 01:03 PM // 13:03

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Originally Posted by aspi

Why 2 points for mox?

Because it's been speculating that he will be in GW2 sitting in your HoM. At least that's what I think/hope.

Arsalan · Sep 12, 2010, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

It isn't even possible to display GWAMM so there is no reward...

They actually should reward you for the 30 different titles you have with points.

I'm betting my money on the fact that you don't have GWAMM, which makes your posts understandable....

People tend to forget the no grind philosophy was part of the level of gameplay skill, not any cosmetic changes. This means that it was based on skill instead of the amount of time someone put in when it came to competitive matches and the like. Saying that they shouldnt reward grind when it comes to purely cosmetic stuff for GW2 is wrong.

MArcSinus · Sep 12, 2010, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by Arsalan

People tend to forget the no grind philosophy was part of the level of gameplay skill, not any cosmetic changes. This means that it was based on skill instead of the amount of time someone put in when it came to competitive matches and the like. Saying that they shouldnt reward grind when it comes to purely cosmetic stuff for GW2 is wrong.

I agree, the rewards will be purely cosmetic anyway..
So why not simply reward the 30+ titles guys with some cool title in GW2, people who didn't bothered with titles in GW1 shouldn't be to bothered with it in GW2 too, at least is they are consistent in their view

Sword Hammer Axe · Sep 12, 2010, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by aspi

Why 2 points for mox?
I think they might do this. But how many points would you give the real rare ones. Like the panda, kanaxi, vizu.
At first I thought well they are just mini's no need to give them extra points. But not so sure anymore.

EVERY mini counts for its color. I don't give a damn about people's "ultra-rare-used-tons-of-ectos-to-get" minis. They are simply expensive 3 points.

Shadowmoon · Sep 12, 2010, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by Sword Hammer Axe

EVERY mini counts for its color. I don't give a damn about people's "ultra-rare-used-tons-of-ectos-to-get" minis. They are simply expensive 3 points.

IE diminishing returns.

Broseiden · Sep 12, 2010, 05:02 PM // 17:02

I'm okay with the point system, I just hope that Guild Wars 2 has enough things for me to spend my points on.

Shanaeri Rynale · Sep 12, 2010, 07:26 PM // 19:26

I really do hope they don't do anything as silly as giving extra points for 'colors and rarity of minipets' It'll be hugely complicated, cause a huge fuss and wont gain anything except stroke the egos of a few people who farmed and grinded for years.

What they will probably do is give points based on how complete the HoM is, and then bonus points for each level in the KOBD title track.