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Undead Cheese · Sep 21, 2010, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by Nekodesu

No, and neither have I said it would be your fault. If you're not paying attentiont and he rushes into a group, it CAN BE your fault if you're not paying attentiont, or for example that you're in general a bad monk. But you're obviously not getting the point.

It has alot to do with the situation, if he's miles away from you running in and dying then obviously it is his fault, he should have paid attention to the fact that the monks are not with him. But yet again, it might a well be your fault. You're a monk for a reason, to keep people alive.

But hey, it's about the situation really.

Yes, I am a Monk, not a slave or a pet. If someone wants to go ahead and run into a group of Monsters without waiting for anybody else, that is his fault, not mine.

When I say ''runs ahead'' I mean out of range, no pre prot is going to save him, either, and no, I will not follow him if the group hasn't even finished the current batch of Monsters.

A Monk has every right to complain at a stupid team member, just as anyone else is, I have no trouble keeping PuG's alive, however if somebody is making my job harder than it needs to be because they lack basic common sense, damn right I'll complain, and that's not because I'm a bitch, or because I'm acting like a 14 year old.

Iuris · Sep 21, 2010, 08:08 AM // 08:08

I never really understood why people would take a human monk (or why a human monk would want to monk). The AI healers do an adequate job (YES, even the much maligned Alesia that I've never had a problem with). As a monk player you have to be on your guard all the time, have twitch reflexes to administer healing where needed and so on... Very tiring, too.

AexIndex · Sep 21, 2010, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by Iuris

I never really understood why people would take a human monk (or why a human monk would want to monk). The AI healers do an adequate job (YES, even the much maligned Alesia that I've never had a problem with). As a monk player you have to be on your guard all the time, have twitch reflexes to administer healing where needed and so on... Very tiring, too.

You only need twitch for infuse or (PvP) aegis.

You pretty much hit it right on the spot though! Monking in PvE is just the biggest joke there is.

Tommy's · Sep 21, 2010, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by AexIndex

Monking in PvE is just the biggest joke there is.

Ohright.. And playing any other profession in PvE isnt? I thought I liked playing my monk in PvE, but now it turns out its just a joke. Who is left to believe?

Iuris · Sep 21, 2010, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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You only need twitch for infuse or (PvP) aegis.

Grumble grumble grumble... OK, you need AVERAGE reflexes, and I've got those of a SLOTH, then...

Nekodesu · Sep 21, 2010, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by Undead Cheese

Yes, I am a Monk, not a slave or a pet. If someone wants to go ahead and run into a group of Monsters without waiting for anybody else, that is his fault, not mine.

When I say ''runs ahead'' I mean out of range, no pre prot is going to save him, either, and no, I will not follow him if the group hasn't even finished the current batch of Monsters.

A Monk has every right to complain at a stupid team member, just as anyone else is, I have no trouble keeping PuG's alive, however if somebody is making my job harder than it needs to be because they lack basic common sense, damn right I'll complain, and that's not because I'm a bitch, or because I'm acting like a 14 year old.

This is your opinion. Neither have I said you cannot complain, so I don't se why you're making that such a big deal, because if you want to complain or not go ahead, but that doesn't mean I'm doing the same.

Neither am I saying I agree with warriors who think it's a good thing to run out like that. if you experience that as a big problem all I can say is for you to stop pugging, and get yourself a guild to do whatever you're pugging for.

If you're a good monk, and try to give a honest effort into what you're doing, then don't feel so close on this because it doesn't include you. Perhaps the whining part, but that includes everybody who just keeps whining :x Wheter it's a warrior who think you suck or yourself. You can always complain or, state your opinion about somebody, but to whine during a whole mission, I think is kinda stupid, I'd just leave instead, that wasting my time whining about somebody.

Xiaquin · Sep 21, 2010, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Wow, who would take heroes or (gasp) henchmen monks over humans if given the choice? Ok, in NM you can afford to be on cruise control, but HM? I'd rather be the monk than let AI stupidly wipe the party because it can't kite, pre-prot or manage energy.

And last note about "rogue" party members, while I don't feel like it's the monks fault for them, you can be polite and make your best effort instead of raging or denying them help. If you just let people die, it makes them weaker, so they'll die again, just faster.

HigherMinion · Sep 21, 2010, 03:32 PM // 15:32

You can still micro heroes. Problem is if you fail, some people will blame your hero monk. Others will blame the one who didn't micro PS on it.

I get alot of overextenders when I run ER prot, because everyone thinks "dw its k, i has prot bond, imba c?"

Sadly it's far from imba when I have no one I can spam Infuse on, and my energy occasionally will drain due to the frontline not thinking.

I pin blame on most people other than the monks/eles/rits whatever's healing. Because when your party wipes, it's generally due to bad pulling/aggro management.

Age · Sep 22, 2010, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Iuris

I never really understood why people would take a human monk (or why a human monk would want to monk). The AI healers do an adequate job (YES, even the much maligned Alesia that I've never had a problem with). As a monk player you have to be on your guard all the time, have twitch reflexes to administer healing where needed and so on... Very tiring, too.

You might want to try playing the class before you judge it as we can do way more than any NPC Monk can.We have 4 weapon set as they have one.We can change our armour they can't.We can change our scalp to divine,healing,protection or smiting they can't.We are better judge of use of skills than they are.

@ AexIndex Monking in PVE isn't the biggest joke there is.I can say more but it might appear insulting that can't handle it.

Iuris · Sep 22, 2010, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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You might want to try playing the class before you judge it as we can do way more than any NPC Monk can.

What on earth makes you think I don't have one? Hell, my monk is the only one I do any pseudo-PvP with (FA and JQ, mostly).

Of course a player can usually do more than an AI. However, I've vanquished all of tyria with 1 hero and 1 henchman healer combinations, and it never hurt. And even without heroes, I've henched my way through Factions and Prophecies - and Alesia and Lina were always enough to get the job done.

Nekodesu · Sep 22, 2010, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Iuris

What on earth makes you think I don't have one? Hell, my monk is the only one I do any pseudo-PvP with (FA and JQ, mostly).

Of course a player can usually do more than an AI. However, I've vanquished all of tyria with 1 hero and 1 henchman healer combinations, and it never hurt. And even without heroes, I've henched my way through Factions and Prophecies - and Alesia and Lina were always enough to get the job done.

I agree. Henchmen and heroes are good aswell. Sure they are not as smart as a human monk but sometimes the humen monks aren't smarter than an npc either ;D

I like to do me as an UA and a hero monk as AoF prot. That works really well, because heroes are tbh pretty good at using AoF.

byteme! · Sep 24, 2010, 01:49 AM // 01:49

When I monk, I only complain when our Warrior isn't aggressive enough. I can keep up with my group 95% of the time with no down time for regen. (regen is for the weak) I don't like having my Warrior sit back while someone else pulls. My ideal Warrior would run well ahead of the rest of the team after we've polished off our last encounter to take initial aggro while keeping an eye on the rest of the team's position to ensure when aggro has settled on him the rest of the team is ready to engage. The idea is to keep the pace and flow up and never stop for regen. If you need time to rest you probably don't belong on my team. There are exceptions though, such as edenial but weapon swapping solves that problem easily. Anyways this is the way "I" like to monk. After playing this game since day 1 I don't see any reason to take a different approach.

khezial tahr · Sep 24, 2010, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by byteme!

My ideal Warrior would run well ahead of the rest of the team after we've polished off our last encounter to take initial aggro while keeping an eye on the rest of the team's position to ensure when aggro has settled on him the rest of the team is ready to engage. The idea is to keep the pace and flow up and never stop for regen. If you need time to rest you probably don't belong on my team. There are exceptions though, such as edenial but weapon swapping solves that problem easily. Anyways this is the way "I" like to monk. After playing this game since day 1 I don't see any reason to take a different approach.

This is situational though. Monks and warriors can be at odds some times. Sometimes, a monk will be pressed for energy (edenial, compensating for bad play or a dead monk partner, etc), while the warrior tries to maintain adrenaline. With people I know, we establish a solid pace and mow down mobs. But in a PUG, it can be tough. I've been in missions where the melee characters pushed so far ahead, they were half dead by the time I caught up. That means I'm pounding keys twice as hard and fast as I'd like and stretching my energy thin. We shortened the gap up and it worked much better.

But you have to communicate.

As for preprotting and warriors rushing in- If a monk is not paying attention and does not preprot the warrior before they rush in, why is it totally the monks fault? The warrior should also be paying attention that he was not protted and ask for it. this works both ways. I've been in several dungeons where the warrior TOLD me she was ready to be protted. Sure being on a voice chat is very helpful, but you can drop that in chat too.

ilr · Sep 25, 2010, 06:22 PM // 18:22

I've never Monked for Pugs. I'm not even curious.. ...I just roll Smites/Beast and kill everything myself.
Therefore I guess my inner monk demon is intolerant and selfish. ...and that's good. Pugs are the reason Anet made heroes.

But for my guild, I'm a pretty awesome healer who enjoys infusing & never lets bias get in the way