Curse

Quaker · Aug 30, 2010, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor

The reason for this is I told him to drop Defy Pain and Endure pain and bring something better.

First off, getting someone to change their build to what you think they should use is not a good idea. They are usually familiar with what they are using, and may not be comfortable with changes they are not familiar with.

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I told him "it's my job to keep you alive and no one died even while your picking flowers back there.".....
When your healing, the team is in your hands for better or in this case for worse.

A classic case of god complex. Get over yourself.

Elektraaa · Aug 30, 2010, 03:19 PM // 15:19

If I want to do missions, I'll do it on my own. I know I'll be able to do a better job of it with heroes rather than using pugs.

If I join a pug, it's because I'm bored or something. I fully understand that certain players will run bad skills bars. It is pointless picking on a warrior, because the other players are also probably running a bad skill bar. In this case, "two wrongs don't make a right". Also, OP, just because no one died, it doesn't mean you're a good monk, and it doesn't mean he should trust you. Childishness really.

What was your skillbar?

Judging by this and this post you don't actually know much about the game. So I don't see why you're picking on people that perhaps aren't as good as you. There's plenty of people a lot better and they could all make fun of you if they wanted to, but really, generally - what's the point? I doubt that warrior will have learned anything. The same as you'll probably try to argue with my post here.

fr.aodhan · Aug 30, 2010, 03:31 PM // 15:31

All players, but healers in particular, have to decide whether they're in GW for the game or to win bitchfests. Both are valid ways to blow off steam at the end of the day, but it's a good idea not to confuse them. Engaging in the latter makes you bad at the former - it doesn't matter how good you are at pressing the buttons if personal difficulties can make you stop.

Xenomortis · Aug 30, 2010, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Quaker

First off, getting someone to change their build to what you think they should use is not a good idea. They are usually familiar with what they are using, and may not be comfortable with changes they are not familiar with.

That's fine, if the build he was using wasn't shit.
No matter how comfortable someone is with using a Warrior with Life Attunement and Defy Pain in PvE, it doesn't change the fact he's not very useful and would be much better off using a different build even if he were not very comfortable with it.

Age · Aug 30, 2010, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Stacked conditions - Mend Body & Soul = Non Elite RC with less heal.
Stacked hexes, unless ur running PnH ur pretty much screwed from that anywayz, but you could bring an off char convert to deal with that. But I have to agree that it is an issue, and why you adjust ur build depending on where your going.
Rupts from windriders - flag the N/Rt a bit further back, and spread everything out. Also remember, they are AI so on ur monk the few skills that will get through are Patient Spirit/Seed of Life. Anything else and ur looking at the same Cast Time as the rit skills. You also forget the rits party heals from PwK & Life that will be better versus the degen pressure of them.
Finally, how is a monk going to deal better with a mesmers diversions instead of a rit, unless your comparing Hero to player, in which case the a player N/Rt would be better then a monk in most sitations

That skill can't deal with stacked condition poison and bleed as gosod as Monks skills can.You aren't screwed if you are running just remove hex or even cure hex.Monks don't need to be flagged and we can deal with interrupts with mantra of resolve or glyph of concentration.Monks deal with Diversion better by using holy veil and preveiling it.PwK you can't do nothing or even cast spells

I don't think you really understand how a Monk works as you never played one.Yes I have a Necro.I did have Rit once it sat at the grove mission for 4 months untill I deleted it.

I still say a pug Monk can be even be better than a pvp Monk as pvp Monks know their team and are dealing with a balanced team 4 vs 4 or 8 vs 8.you don't have to deal with mobs and possibly that 9 or 10 year old behind that keyboard from Runescape.

dancing gnome · Aug 30, 2010, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

You are everything I hate in the game.
long live hero monks

Ditto.

I sometimes let people die when they constantly overextend despite being asked not to and their continuing to do it becomes dangerous, not putting the party at risk to keep them alive is the choice I make but I never get so drunk on monk power that I pull a move like the OP did. That's a douchebag way to play.

I often hear on Guild Cast Rubi will laugh about the monk strike but to me that's embarrassing. My main was a monk back in 2005 and I got frustrated with people sometimes but for the most part I knew everyone was there to have fun and work together, not all people view things the same way. Monks that pull stunts like that are often very crappy monks during their best efforts so they shouldn't be complaining.

aefghuys · Aug 30, 2010, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by lanier

i really dislike human healers who have temper tantrums and refuse to heal b/c someone did something they didn't like.

Just my 2 cents...

+1 .

own age myname · Aug 30, 2010, 04:53 PM // 16:53

One time in the old FoWSC the MT was just horrible. And he kept blaming me for not healing him. Plus I was having a bad day that day (I remember it perfectly). Well, when we finally got to the forest I took the griffon quest and left the party. That's probably the only thing bad I've done as monking lol.

Phaern Majes · Aug 30, 2010, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by aefghuys

+1 .

+2

If someone runs out of range its their own fault, but to refuse to heal someone because they accidentally pulled too much is just punishing the other 6 players and yourself. If it continues to happen, then usually just saying something nicely in chat will get them to pull less. "Hey, could you pull a little less next time? This is overwhelming the heals."

If they ignore that then go for it let'em die, wipe, and replace them.

Squishy ftw · Aug 30, 2010, 05:02 PM // 17:02

My 2nd most played character is a Monk and I'm quite sure I've never let someone in my party die on purpose just to 'teach them'.
If a warrior overextended so much that it'd become dangerous to the party if I ran off to keep him up, then I'd let him die, but I consider that just doing my job (= keeping the party alive).

I just care about doing my role in the party to the best of my abilities. If I notice someone doing a subpar job then I'll tell them what's wrong/could be better. Whether or not he uses the information I give him is up to him.

Cuilan · Aug 30, 2010, 05:46 PM // 17:46

I sometimes monk War in Kryta quests. Generally speaking, I don't heal or prot the tanks if there is one in the group. The tank is the lowest priority, but I don't really see that as letting out an inner demon.

AngelWJedi · Aug 30, 2010, 05:51 PM // 17:51

And this is why i only smite in pugs. Monks are gods or eles with huge energy amounts. people expet you do keep everyone and yourself healed and chase after idiots that like to leeroy. if you want us to heal and keep party alive dont run across the map like you're on fire. we arent perfect and neither are you.

Skyy High · Aug 30, 2010, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Quaker

First off, getting someone to change their build to what you think they should use is not a good idea. They are usually familiar with what they are using, and may not be comfortable with changes they are not familiar with.

A warrior with Defy Pain and Endure Pain is useless, if the monk knows what he's doing. This monk knew he could keep the warrior alive if the war did something useful, like...idk, do some damage.

If his favorite build was flare-spamming, would you ask him to change it? If not...well, you're more patient than I, but at the very least you should respect the right of a player to not want to play with someone that bad.

Further, a warrior with ANY bar who stays BEHIND the casters is absolutely useless. He literally may as well be dead, as far as his benefit to the team is concerned.

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A classic case of god complex. Get over yourself.

God complex? The monk DOES keep the party alive, and (save for cases such as imbagons or alternative healers) is the player (or players) most responsible for doing so. Saying "I can keep you alive, go fight" is not a "god complex", it's an objective evaluation of the monsters' strength and your healing abilities.

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

I sometimes monk War in Kryta quests. Generally speaking, I don't heal or prot the tanks if there is one in the group. The tank is the lowest priority, but I don't really see that as letting out an inner demon.

By "tank", you mean the warrior running in first, absorbing the first wave of damage? The warrior who, if he's any good at all, is busy smashing face and is relying on you to throw him the occasional prot and heal? You don't see why you should try to keep him alive?

Now, if you instead mean "tank" in the traditional sense, ie a player whose entire skillbar is devoted to keeping himself alive, I see your point.

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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

My 2nd most played character is a Monk and I'm quite sure I've never let someone in my party die on purpose just to 'teach them'.
If a warrior overextended so much that it'd become dangerous to the party if I ran off to keep him up, then I'd let him die, but I consider that just doing my job (= keeping the party alive).

I just care about doing my role in the party to the best of my abilities. If I notice someone doing a subpar job then I'll tell them what's wrong/could be better. Whether or not he uses the information I give him is up to him.

This is pretty much my philosophy.

khezial tahr · Aug 30, 2010, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by Lanier

I really dislike human healers who have temper tantrums and refuse to heal b/c someone did something they didn't like.

just my 2 cents...

Never left a game because someone was being a jerk? Never got mad when someone over-aggroed and caused the team to die? Never ever? Now imagine that every time someone does something dumb and dies, YOU get blamed. If you don't play 1 of 2 builds you "are teh N00b!"

Going to do Bogroots for another ZB. My friend and I both play Monks, advertise "2Monks no waiting" and immediately have a group. So, out we go. My friend is directing traffic, using the compass to guide everyone and keep the team together. One guy starts yelling at him to knock it off. And he's screaming and cursing for him to leave the compass alone. When my friend lays off, several people die by being stupid and aggroing the closest mob while running away from the group. So he starts again. Now the guys is all over my friend. Cursing, calling names and generally being insulting. All this time we're still ON THE WAY to the entrance to Bogroot. Thefinal straw was he told my friend to "Piss Off". So he messages me and leaves.
idiot- "Where did he go?"
me- "Uhh... you told him to piss off. So he did"
idiot- "what an a--hat."
me- "lol, serious? You're mad because you told him to leave, and he did?"
idiot- "That's fine, we can get by."
me- "No. No you can't."
And I left.

I've cut off heals for being people pricks, or constantly over extending. I don't see under-extending much. I just can't maximize my effectiveness when I'm dieing trying to heal one guy who runs as far away as he can each and every fight.

fr.aodhan · Aug 30, 2010, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by khezial tahr

Never left a game because someone was being a jerk? Never got mad when someone over-aggroed and caused the team to die? Never ever? Now imagine that every time someone does something dumb and dies, YOU get blamed. If you don't play 1 of 2 builds you "are teh N00b!"

There's a big difference, though, between leaving a group because the drama/idiocy is making it impossible to play the game and leaving a group because you want to win a point. It's the difference between getting a divorce and slashing your ex's tires on the way out. By the time it's necessary to split, you really don't owe anybody an explanation and very few people can deliver one without being snarky.

Lanier · Aug 30, 2010, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by khezial tahr

Never left a game because someone was being a jerk? Never got mad when someone over-aggroed and caused the team to die? Never ever? Now imagine that every time someone does something dumb and dies, YOU get blamed. If you don't play 1 of 2 builds you "are teh N00b!"

I was referring to the exact opposite actually. I was talking about situations in which the monk is the jerk and he rage quits b/c he doesn't have enough patience to deal with a new player who has a bad build. Someone used flare spamming as an example earlier in the thread. If there is a flare spammer in your group, then by all means give them tips on how to improve their build but leaving or refusing to heal/rez them is just... its just kind of an assholish thing to do.

khezial tahr · Aug 30, 2010, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by fr.aodhan

There's a big difference, though, between leaving a group because the drama/idiocy is making it impossible to play the game and leaving a group because you want to win a point. It's the difference between getting a divorce and slashing your ex's tires on the way out. By the time it's necessary to split, you really don't owe anybody an explanation and very few people can deliver one without being snarky.

That is a PERFECT analogy.
I have limited time to play, so when I get it, I want to play. I monk because I enjoy it. Like the old image says "Arguing over the internet is like competing int he Special Olympics..."

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Originally Posted by lanier

I was referring to the exact opposite actually. I was talking about situations in which the monk is the jerk and he rage quits b/c he doesn't have enough patience to deal with a new player who has a bad build. Someone used flare spamming as an example earlier in the thread. If there is a flare spammer in your group, then by all means give them tips on how to improve their build but leaving or refusing to heal/rez them is just... its just kind of an assholish thing to do.

My bad, I misread. I've seen that. Hell, I played with a Monk that was ragging on someone for doing JUST THAT (flare spamming) about a week ago. He was by far not the worst one in the group, but still, not all that helpful (and he was young). Eventually, we had to stop healing him because he was a burden to us (he liked the warrior and dervish so much, he wanted to be by their side the whole time, especially during combat). We tried giving tips, but some people just don't want to hear it I guess.

Miss Puddles · Aug 30, 2010, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Personally after a tank repeatedly dies from overextending/overaggro, I keep ressing them to soak up damage if nothing else but don't leave them dead.
Annoying that it even has to be an issue, though. This is why I don't monk for pugs often.

Cuilan · Aug 30, 2010, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by Lanier

its just kind of an assholish thing to do.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...9&postcount=59
This is another one of his stories. I don't really care how much or little time you have, but you're playing with people when you're playing with people...

khezial tahr · Aug 30, 2010, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...9&postcount=59
This is another one of his stories. I don't really care how much or little time you have, but you're playing with people when you're playing with people...

Ok... is there a translation for this? Or am I just missing the point? Are you saying that I should be accept being abused because I am playing with people?