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windtalker · Jun 01, 2010, 11:53 PM // 23:53

On topic, I think what Zain and people like him are trying to say (although they are doing it very poorly) is that there are people who did not cheat, there are people who may have used macros/bots few times, for curiosity, or to make their lives a bit easier, and then there are people who used bots to cheat others in PvP and PvE (botting for financial gain in this instance). What ANet has done is abruptly changed their prosecution of these people, and now all of them are lumped into the same boat, the perma-ban boat.

The issue that I have, and that these people seem to have but are failing to express it, is that wildly different offenses are facing the most severe punishment. This is not the way any system, virtual or not, should work, and the inability of ANet to communicate with people appealing their bans is frustrating people even more.

Riot Narita · Jun 02, 2010, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

Re. the drunkard title. I don't know a single person of the ones that have it done that didn't macro their way through it.

I presume you (or the people you know) haven't been around that long then.

It used to be possible to find pairs of locations or districts, where you could drink eg. spiked eggnog... zone or change district... and instantly get 3 drunk points and sober. If you had enough alcohol, it was possible to get 1000's of points in a few hours, until the location stopped working and you had to look for another one.

A LOT of people maxed drunkard that way. And before that, there was the "window" technique that was somewhat similar. There were lengthy threads on the subject, here on guru - describing how to do it, and where people had found working zone/district pairs.

Those methods may count as exploits (which A-Net apparently closed, without banning people)... but people DID do it WITHOUT bots or macros.

And then of course there are plenty of people who just turned off post-processing effects to remove the visual drunk effect, and used a simple timer program to remind them when to drink, during normal play. People who played a lot were easily able to max their drunk title quite that way, after a few months of their "normal" play.

Yol · Jun 02, 2010, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita

I presume you (or the people you know) haven't been around that long then.

It used to be possible to find pairs of locations or districts, where you could drink eg. spiked eggnog... zone or change district... and instantly get 3 drunk points and sober. If you had enough alcohol, it was possible to get 1000's of points in a few hours, until the location stopped working and you had to look for another one.

A LOT of people maxed drunkard that way. And before that, there was the "window" technique that was somewhat similar. There were lengthy threads on the subject, here on guru - describing how to do it, and where people had found working zone/district pairs.

Those methods may count as an exploit (which A-Net apparently closed, without banning people)... but people DID do it WITHOUT bots or macros.

Some of us have even been around long enough that we got legendary cartographer without using texmod

Dzjudz · Jun 02, 2010, 11:21 AM // 11:21

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita

Those methods may count as exploits (which A-Net apparently closed, without banning people)... but people DID do it WITHOUT bots or macros.

They didn't close it though, my guildie is doing the zoning drunkard as I'm typing this.

Riot Narita · Jun 02, 2010, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

They didn't close it though, my guildie is doing the zoning drunkard as I'm typing this.

Really? Well, even less reason to use a bot/macro then.

Kharmin · Jun 02, 2010, 01:18 PM // 13:18

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Originally Posted by Yol

Some of us have even been around long enough that we got legendary cartographer without using texmod

Uphill? In the snow?

ZainAhmed · Jun 02, 2010, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Who cares of the gain?

- Injecting is prohibited as it involves hacking the client (appending a library to the executable process and forcing it to be loaded and executed)
- Process manipulation and packet manipulation is prohibited
- Intercepting client-server data transfers is prohibited

That's even before we take into account elements such as the purpose of the bot, the duration of the hack by the user, the final gain obtained: you're hacking the game and that's considered a severe breach to the Rules of Conduct, whatever the purpose, whatever the duration, whatever the outcome.

I see I see, so you knew this before people were getting banned or somehow it was in your knowledge and you chose righteously to avoid such activities?...I actually understood what is exactly Illegal and what's not AFTER using a bot...it's a game ffs...sever punishments such as perma ban never crossed my mind (as I've QQ'd many times before i'll just end this part..)

Now what really amuses me is that so what if people were out there playing the right way and not using bots...that doesn't mean they wouldn't have used them...especially everyone gloating at all the banned people(they're so mean

). The ban, at least the current one, is a lesson for everyone...anyone who wanted, anyone who was curious but never tried it...even someone who didn't know what bots are etc etc...they sure as hell know now...but some people had to pay so everyone can learn what the limits are.

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

If anything, cheating in a player versus player game is much worse than botting wealth or status alone. You actively denied aspects of the game to another player in real time. You should be banned 110% forever.

So pvp bots are worse than pve? I do blame my ping for making me even consider using software to improve my rupting because you can't do anything about ping besides getting a better connection and mine is good, i would say, but ~200-300 ping in pvp can make big differences against people with less than 100...you're just a punching bag if they have experience.

Afaik pve bots destabilized the economy greatly and Anet let it happen too for some reason...so that was really bad...wan't it???

Now, pvp "bots" were going for titles or maybe some other factor such as "fun?"or just being pure evil...idk...but the point is as Rahja mentioned, titles are titles...so what if people hacked for them...hell take away their points and tell them not to "hack" again (you stupid RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO).

eg if someone made 1000 glad points in RA from botting then they Anet should remove all the points from their title track which were earned from botting... like if I start gw by dll injection and then start winning a lot then all my faction and points can be recorded, observed, & removed...simple as that...but it's easier said than done? and that's why everyone is perma banned?

Dzjudz · Jun 02, 2010, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Now, pvp "bots" were going for titles or maybeg if someone made 1000 glad points in RA from botting then they Anet should remove all the points from their title track which were earned from botting... like if I start gw by dll injection and then start winning a lot then all my faction and points can be recorded, observed, & removed...simple as that...but it's easier said than done? and that's why everyone is perma banned?

Ah, so you want them to remove only what botters gained by botting and no other punishment? Let's say someone raptor botted their ass off and got many many 100's of k's. Then they bought ectos with that. Then they bought stuff with half ectos and half gold they got not botting. Then they sold that. Then they bought other stuff. Then they did this and that and this and that.

Now you tell me: what does anet delete?

Also: lol @ removing only stuff they got from cheating.

Kydd · Jun 02, 2010, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Now, pvp "bots" were going for titles or maybe some other factor such as "fun?"or just being pure evil...idk...but the point is as Rahja mentioned, titles are titles...so what if people hacked for them...hell take away their points and tell them not to "hack" again (you stupid RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO).

eg if someone made 1000 glad points in RA from botting then they Anet should remove all the points from their title track which were earned from botting... like if I start gw by dll injection and then start winning a lot then all my faction and points can be recorded, observed, & removed...simple as that...but it's easier said than done? and that's why everyone is perma banned?

Do you care that you may have ruined a streak for another player because of your unfair advantage? Should Anet increase the titles of the people who suffered because of you? PVP botting ruins others gaming experiance and that is part of why you deserve to be banned.

milan · Jun 02, 2010, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Now, pvp "bots" were going for titles or maybe some other factor such as "fun?"or just being pure evil...idk...but the point is as Rahja mentioned, titles are titles...so what if people hacked for them...hell take away their points and tell them not to "hack" again (you stupid RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO).

eg if someone made 1000 glad points in RA from botting then they Anet should remove all the points from their title track which were earned from botting... like if I start gw by dll injection and then start winning a lot then all my faction and points can be recorded, observed, & removed...simple as that...but it's easier said than done? and that's why everyone is perma banned?

Then remove the faction, the unlocks, the keys/rewards. Then remove them from the inventories of the people that were sold them, and don't forget to remove the zaishen track from the people that bought or traded the botter for the keys etc

Then take a look at all the losing teams against the botters and award them points because they were cheated.

You muppet.

JoeKnowMo · Jun 02, 2010, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

eg if someone made 1000 glad points in RA from botting then they Anet should remove all the points from their title track which were earned from botting... like if I start gw by dll injection and then start winning a lot then all my faction and points can be recorded, observed, & removed...simple as that...but it's easier said than done? and that's why everyone is perma banned?

The next time you cheat on a test and get caught, you should try this argument. After all, you only deserve to lose the points from the questions you cheated on. You should keep the rest of your points.

Lolwut1337 · Jun 02, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

The next time you cheat on a test and get caught, you should try this argument. After all, you only deserve to lose the points from the questions you cheated on. You should keep the rest of your points.

I'm trying to imagine how funny this is gonna look like

ZainAhmed · Jun 03, 2010, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by milan

Then remove the faction, the unlocks, the keys/rewards. Then remove them from the inventories of the people that were sold them, and don't forget to remove the zaishen track from the people that bought or traded the botter for the keys etc

Then take a look at all the losing teams against the botters and award them points because they were cheated.

You muppet.

Wtf...?

I'm talking about only removing title points...which are never traded for anything and total faction like kurzick/luxon(for title)...and maybe a penalty of -500000 faction from total faction ever gained...

As far as faction that is easily transformed into the various thing you mentioned like zkeys, well that's not hard to see...so just temp ban that person for doing so further and anything else that went to someone else is harmless on their side so why should they pay...? so just leave it alone...it's not that hard as you want it too be unfortunately...?

ZainAhmed · Jun 03, 2010, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

The next time you cheat on a test and get caught, you should try this argument. After all, you only deserve to lose the points from the questions you cheated on. You should keep the rest of your points.

Lol! cheating on a test doesn't give you an F for the whole course...just the test...which is like a slap on the back of your head, so take heed next time?

IlikeGW · Jun 03, 2010, 12:59 PM // 12:59

I don't think the game even supports editing a person's account other than their character name. There could be internal security problems if it did.

Gonad the Barbarian · Jun 03, 2010, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Many thanks! Goodbye and good riddance to them all. Hope you catch 3000 more of them! Wish you guys could ban all the scammers also.

Essence Snow · Jun 03, 2010, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Lol! cheating on a test doesn't give you an F for the whole course...just the test...which is like a slap on the back of your head, so take heed next time?

Maybe not in High School and under, but in College guess what? Not only will you get a F in that course, but you'll also be recommended for expulsion. So basically F's in every course, losing tuition, and also having what can only be equated as an acedemic felony on your record. So, yes taking heed would be well advised.

Malice Black · Jun 03, 2010, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Seems I missed some fun.

3.7k bans...nice

Femmefatal · Jun 03, 2010, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Lol! cheating on a test doesn't give you an F for the whole course...just the test...which is like a slap on the back of your head, so take heed next time?

Wrong if you cheat on a final exam test you fail the whole class no if's and's or but's about it. Even if you had straight A's. You cheated makes you a liar and possibly a killer in the future as one thing leads to another. You become a menace to society and should be put away really at that point.

Ariovist Lynxkind · Jun 03, 2010, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

Wrong if you cheat on a final exam test you fail the whole class no if's and's or but's about it. Even if you had straight A's. You cheated makes you a liar and possibly a killer in the future as one thing leads to another. You become a menace to society and should be put away really at that point.

Not to mention it makes those A's mighty suspicious...