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Lord Sojar · May 31, 2010, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Another tip, don't use G11 keyboards to macro the drunkard title either...

You can't to my knowledge, and so long as you were there pressing the macro button, that wouldn't be cheating/botting. ANET has stated this on several occasions. The issue comes in when you leave the computer completely or are no longer giving input to the game, and it continues to play for you. If you could macro the G11/15 to do that, it would be extremely limited. I own a G15, and it's extremely limited in the macro complexity, which doesn't include mouse clicks.

MisterB · May 31, 2010, 12:11 PM // 12:11

You can use macros with any keyboard.

Sarevok Thordin · May 31, 2010, 12:52 PM // 12:52

I remember reading somewhere that someone was banned for macroing on a G11 keyboard.

Just thought I'd throw that chip in.

GreenX · May 31, 2010, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

I can't comment on your case, as I am not customer support. All I can say is that support investigates each account thoroughly. Please take it up with them.

too bad support doesn't do much about the issue either, all they do is refer you to the EULA which you had scrutinized 10x before contacting them with the message; "please don't bother us anymore, we know we are right and don't give a **** about what you have to say. any further inquiry will be ignored just like the first one".

and its quite blatantly obvious they don't even read what you write to them, wouldn't be surprised if the answer came from an automated system.

axe · May 31, 2010, 01:38 PM // 13:38

So I have no sympathy for anyone posting on this forum that got banned.

If you post here, you know enough about the game to know what you did, even if you just "tried it out" because with all the account hacks problems, Anet issued so many MULTIPLE warnings about "third party programs" on the login screen, actually throughout the course of the game, reminding you not to use third party,

Its common sense for 2 reasons, 1 you dont know the source of the 3rd party and they can steal your pass, and hack you, and 2 you know botting is against the EULA (third party software) they were banning people for macro's and running other scripts (although this was harder to detect and required mods actually watching the behaviour) they did this several times.

In other words, this is common knowledge, especially for those posting on this forum, the only reason people are trying to make themselves sound innocent is because maybe they did get burned by thinking if they used it once they would not get caught, but damn you still ran a serious risk of getting your account hacked.

I guess trying to discredit Anet publicly might convince more people that they have the possibility to get unbanned, but Seriously Anet has more to gain by doing another round of trash cleanup.

I mean it kinda sucks when you got a guy that has R12 hero, and R10 glad and he tries a bot out in RA and gets 1 glad point, and the rest he earned only to get code 045, but if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

Im glad that this thing got rolling, I would like to see another round though, to shut up all the "innocent" people, because I think they are more angry that other botters DID NOT GET BANNED for the SAME THING, and so they are thinking, if they missed xyz for using the same bot as me, maybe I am "innocent" too.

GOGOGOGO

sixdartbart · May 31, 2010, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by axe

Im glad that this thing got rolling, I would like to see another round though, to shut up all the "innocent" people, because I think they are more angry that other botters DID NOT GET BANNED for the SAME THING, and so they are thinking, if they missed xyz for using the same bot as me, maybe I am "innocent" too.

I think you nailed it about many of the people who have been flaming Anet for the last several days about unequal justice and whatever else they can convince themselves to justify their own CHEATING.

I don't know that we will see another large public statement from Anet about future bans but I do believe that they will continue their bot harvest.
As much as people get bored and flame Anet for any perceived shortcomings, my experience has been that they have ran a pretty solid game overall and still continue to try and keep it entertaining and fair {skill balance aside but that has been out the window since they added new classes IMO}

The content in GWs {or any other game} is limited and when you get bored with it go play something else, I'm sure you will gain a new appreciation for how Anet has operated GWs in short order.

Move Down · May 31, 2010, 05:29 PM // 17:29

I am flaming ncsoft already a few months now.
But i get sick of some of you retards that still think you banned you have done something wrong.
YOU CAN BE BANNED WHILE YOU DIDNT DO ANYTHING.
Hope its happens to all of you too you will see then

Trub · May 31, 2010, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Hope its happens to all of you too you will see then

lawl.

IF I should get 'permabanned' from GW..I certainly won't be coming onto the same said game's fan forum and announcing:
"FUUUUUUU ANET!! FUUUUUU Guru! FUUUUUU PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T 'SMART' ENOUGH TO DOWN LOAD A BOT!!!"
"I HOPE YOU GET BANNED LIKE I DID!!"

nope.

I would be submitting a ticket to support, and following the procedures with THEM, as to a resolution.

Firebaall · May 31, 2010, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Move Down

I am flaming ncsoft already a few months now.
But i get sick of some of you retards that still think you banned you have done something wrong.
YOU CAN BE BANNED WHILE YOU DIDNT DO ANYTHING.
Hope its happens to all of you too you will see then

I agree with what you say. In fact I've seen it happen. The thing is, it's really a catch 22.

The true cheaters will lie about doing it.

PlayNC will stand on their rulings (be those right or wrong), if they see any type of evidence that they believe points to an infraction.

The best we can hope for, is that those wrongfully banned don't have any kind of suspicious activity on their accounts. Other than that it's SOL time because cheaters lie, and PlayNC won't error on the side of caution because of it.

Gli · May 31, 2010, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Trub

lawl.

IF I should get 'permabanned' from GW..I certainly won't be coming onto the same said game's fan forum and announcing:
"FUUUUUUU ANET!! FUUUUUU Guru! FUUUUUU PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T 'SMART' ENOUGH TO DOWN LOAD A BOT!!!"
"I HOPE YOU GET BANNED LIKE I DID!!"

nope.

I would be submitting a ticket to support, and following the procedures with THEM, as to a resolution.

Come on now, be a good sport. Being reasonable isn't entertaining at all. If everyone thought like you did, this place would be boring as hell.

I hope you realize what you've done.

Trub · May 31, 2010, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Gli

Come on now, be a good sport. Being reasonable isn't entertaining at all. If everyone thought like you did, this place would be boring as hell.

I hope you realize what you've done.

*sigh*
I know, I know.
But the common sense angle wasn't working ...you saw them pull teh Izzy card on me!!!

lawl.

billypowergamer · May 31, 2010, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

You can't to my knowledge, and so long as you were there pressing the macro button, that wouldn't be cheating/botting. ANET has stated this on several occasions. The issue comes in when you leave the computer completely or are no longer giving input to the game, and it continues to play for you. If you could macro the G11/15 to do that, it would be extremely limited. I own a G15, and it's extremely limited in the macro complexity, which doesn't include mouse clicks.

Actually, the G series keyboards software does allow for mouse clicks to be inputed into the macro's. I've played around with it on my G11 which is the same as the G15 without the HUD.

Lord Sojar · May 31, 2010, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by billypowergamer

Actually, the G series keyboards software does allow for mouse clicks to be inputed into the macro's. I've played around with it on my G11 which is the same as the G15 without the HUD.

This is a fine line then... if you leave the computer and the macro automates the clicks for you, without requiring input, that is 'botting', and isn't allowed. You could potentially be perma banned if a GM saw you doing this. I haven't found this mouse recording section of the G15, but.... I'll take your word for it.

Will they catch you? Doubtful, but the point stands. If you get banned, it would be a valid ban, and you would have no room for discourse. The likelihood of getting banned for something this "minor" is slim to none, and you would need to be a pretty unlucky person to get banned for this type of 'botting'. This is far less damaging to the game than the bots we have seen banned, or will see in the future.

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Originally Posted by vamp08

so...much...irony

That isn't irony at all... see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

He/she isn't claiming innocence, nor are they saying this was an unjust action on ANET's part. They have admitted guilt, and are simply saying that they aren't being severe enough. If anything, it might be sarcasm, but it doesn't appear to me that way. This seems to be a semi responsible person who was caught cheating, knows it, and is moving on. They gambled, and lost against the house, and are leaving the casino now.

billypowergamer · May 31, 2010, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

This is a fine line then... if you leave the computer and the macro automates the clicks for you, without requiring input, that is 'botting', and isn't allowed. You could potentially be perma banned if a GM saw you doing this. I haven't found this mouse recording section of the G15, but.... I'll take your word for it.

Will they catch you? Doubtful, but the point stands. If you get banned, it would be a valid ban, and you would have no room for discourse. The likelihood of getting banned for something this "minor" is slim to none, and you would need to be a pretty unlucky person to get banned for this type of 'botting'. This is far less damaging to the game than the bots we have seen banned, or will see in the future.

This is why I brought it up, it does make for a very bad grey area when you can set the macro keys up to either be an "autoclicker" bot of sorts, or a rapid fire button for double clicking. That does bring up a question of using the rapid fire for things like sweet tooth, but I guess since you would be sitting at the keyboard holding down the button it would be ok, unless you did one of these that is

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Lord Sojar · May 31, 2010, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by billypowergamer

This is why I brought it up, it does make for a very bad grey area when you can set the macro keys up to either be an "autoclicker" bot of sorts, or a rapid fire button for double clicking. That does bring up a question of using the rapid fire for things like sweet tooth, but I guess since you would be sitting at the keyboard holding down the button it would be ok, unless you did one of these that is

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LOL The Simpsons Movie! LOLOLOL

Uh.... but back on topic. I actually did macro a rapid fire button for my sweet tooth title, come to think of it. I was there, hitting the button every 5 seconds or so, but it was triggering my mouse to click (so I take back my previous statement about not knowing the G15 did mouse macroing) I did this in Marhan's Grotto, and it only saved my finger. The point is, I was still there, giving input to the game, so that isn't botting. Botting is defined, again, as leaving the computer completely, and it continues to give the game extended input with no physical interaction from the user, or a program automatically creates game input based on circumstance (a true bot).

Ka Tet · May 31, 2010, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

LOL The Simpsons Movie! LOLOLOL

Uh.... but back on topic. I actually did macro a rapid fire button for my sweet tooth title, come to think of it. I was there, hitting the button every 5 seconds or so, but it was triggering my mouse to click (so I take back my previous statement about not knowing the G15 did mouse macroing) I did this in Marhan's Grotto, and it only saved my finger. The point is, I was still there, giving input to the game, so that isn't botting. Botting is defined, again, as leaving the computer completely, and it continues to give the game extended input with no physical interaction from the user, or a program automatically creates game input based on circumstance (a true bot).

Irony.
Botting is botting, no excuses. Whether you did it for 2 years to farm gold to sell or sitting in an outpost. You gained an unfair advantage by using a third party application and played the game in a way other than it was intended. Given the stance you've taken on this issue on the forums, I will expect that you will not QQ or try to argue your innocence. You did it, you knew it was wrong. Now, go e-mail support and ask them to ban your account.

windtalker · May 31, 2010, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Botting is botting, no excuses. Whether you did it for 2 years to farm gold to sell or sitting in an outpost. You gained an unfair advantage by using a third party application and played the game in a way other than it was intended. Given the stance you've taken on this issue on the forums, I will expect that you will not QQ or try to argue your innocence. You did it, you knew it was wrong. Now, go e-mail support and ask them to ban your account.

THIS. Also what kind of crack are you on to define botting as "leaving the computer?" Botting, aka automating, is doing anything that makes your computer do an action/actions for you. According to your previous logic in the thread, that makes you just as "bannable" as anyone else.

MisterB · May 31, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40

I've actually sent support an email asking if another program I use that has an optional rapid fire function is acceptable for use. I don't care about the rapid fire function of the program, nor have I used it, but I explained it to them. Strictly speaking, rapid fire is automation while the button or key is held down. If they reply addressing whether or not rapid fire is allowed, I'll post their response.

Lord Sojar · May 31, 2010, 08:42 PM // 20:42

The G15/G11 keyboard macros have been touched on by ANET in the past. Using them to click the mouse for you when you are pressing a button isn't cheating, it's quite simply using a macro. I use the G15 to enter my login information as well, via an encrypted macro file.

You are attempting to relate a functionality that is expressly different from the topic at hand. This isn't an issue of degree of severity, but a COMPLETELY different issue.

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Originally Posted by the walkin dude

played the game in a way other than it was intended.

I didn't, I had my keyboard button replace my mouse button. Are you telling me that mapping buttons is now cheating? LOL. Targeting the sweets, and pressing a button on my keyboard instead of targeting the sweets and pressing a button on my mouse is cheating? Well, in that case...

You are cheating when you rig your F key to use your 8th skill, since that key is closer to your hard than the 8 key. You gained an unfair advantage! CHEATER! You see how absurd this argument is?

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Originally Posted by MisterB

I've actually sent support an email asking if another program I use that has an optional rapid fire function is acceptable for use. I don't care about the rapid fire function of the program, nor have I used it, but I explained it to them. Strictly speaking, rapid fire is automation while the button or key is held down. If they reply addressing whether or not rapid fire is allowed, I'll post their response.

It isn't automated, as you are still there, holding down the key. Now, if you put a paperweight on the key, and leave, then it becomes an issue. But... then we run into the issue of... it's impossible for ANET to know if you were there or you used a paper weight. Overall, this is the only gray area I can really see. Automation is where the it requires no input.

BUT, here's an interesting view on this. What happens when that stack of sweets runs out? Your mouse cannot move on its own to the next stack without you doing so unless you are using an extensive macro system that does everything for you at the push of a button.

Rigging a key to repeat based on user input is the same as binding a key, and taking advantage of repeat input. This isn't a gray area if you look at it from that perspective.

kupp · May 31, 2010, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Somwhat off the current discussion, but I take it I'm not the only person about to have an aneurysm from all the QQ threads of botters that got banned and make themselves the victims and/or somehow try to make it Anet's fault?

I just needed to vent this...